Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Bodakane]

for all the "its the media/left/etc tryign to divide us" mess Ive seen concern trolled in comments sections, I have to ask

just WHAT in conservatism covers vaccination?
Rather sure neither Buckley or Feldwel said a thing about it, completely sure Reagan didn't

Conservatism isn't a concrete ideology anymore. Conservatism is whatever either Trump says it is or the opposite of what liberals want to do.

The ONLY reason there's still a US covid problem is because Dems wanted to treat it seriously, so Trump didn't.

That is it.

People can pretend to be upset about pre Trump anti-vaxxers all day and night, but the simple fact of the matter is that before Captain Orange Dipshit, we didn't have a problem meeting vaccine requirements across the population.

[Breccia]

Fuck Florida's previous record was 21,015 on New Year's Day this year, but today's mark is 21,683.

There's no reason to believe that Florida's numbers will miraculously reverse tomorrow.

But just to be clear, this isn't about a single day vs a single day.

Florida's highest 7-day average weas Jan 8th, and it was 17,991 flanked by 15,XXX on both sides.

The most recent 7-day average is 15,818.

In other words, it's not just possible but likely that Florida is about as fucked as it has ever been. Even if there's a massive 180 tomorrow, which yeah I suppose it's possible a backlog was all reported at once, but even if there was this was the second worst 7-day rolling average. Cases would have to drop by 25% or more tomorrow and ongoing, to keep the average now lower than the highest part of the highest peak.



Saaaaaaaay just for the hell of it, how's Illinois doing?



Oh wow, isn't that interesting? Illinois isn't doing nearly as badly as Florida is doing. illinois is going up, but at time of writing, their current number of cases is lower than every peak they've had.

Did someone say Massachusetts?



Well they shouldn't have, because they're doing contextually pretty well, too. New York? New Jersey? California? Lower, lower, lower. While every state is on an upwards course, some are just comparatively lower than others.

For added fun, in case anyone out there is thinking of cherry-picking counties, I've got the ten worst counties in the USA in terms of cases per capita. Of those ten counties, two are in Florida (although neither is the worst). Two are in Texas and one is in Mississippi. The rest are all Louisiana, speaking of which...



LA has broken past their worst spike ever ever. Remember all that talk we had about the aftermath of Mardis Gras 2020? Double that.

Louisiana and Florida are both at, or near, their highest high records of ever ever ever. Alabama? Arkansas? Both over half their higest peak, something the aforementioned blue states aren't doing. Texas and Georgia are not quite half their higest, which again is not great when compared to states doing well like Massachusetts and Illinois. Texas and Georgia are roughly mirroring the national average, which again, Illinois and Massachusetts are both doing better than. It would take a disingenuous poster, nay, an outright liar to defend Florida while suggesting these states had a problem. An outright, objective, liar.

Deaths follow cases by a week or two. Remember how I said Florida's previous highest peak of cases/day was Jan 8th? Well, they had two massive peaks for deaths, and one of them was 160-180 7-day average deaths from Jan 15th to...holy shit, Feb 11. While not their highest peak, it got up there and stayed up there for basically four weeks, killing four to five thousand people in one month. In 2019 they lost about 3,000 to car crashes in the entire year.

Florida isn't the only state in serious trouble, but they're in serious trouble. More than any other state but one, and with a few of their nearby friends in almost as serious trouble. I'm both surprised and relieved to see Texas isn't that bad yet, in the context of this post of course, by having their new daily cases average 30-40% of the highest they've ever been. Which is bad, but the USA is doing about the same overall, so in comparison it's not too bad. Maybe they've taken some pointers from Illinois and Massachusetts?

To use an ugly but appropriate geographical parallel: America stuck its dick in crazy, and now it's rotting off.

"Time to grab a cleaver?"

NO! Jesus. No, it's time to get the penicillin. Even dick rot can be treated -- but only an idiot would go to the doctor with a case of Acute Dick Rotting Off and complain about a blister on the back of their hand. "Look at this one blister on an otherwise healthy hand," this insane person would say, "it's clearly the big problem we need to discuss." Can you imagine?

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"its the media/left/etc tryign to divide us"

That's not an argument anyone can make in good faith anymore. There might be some individual people or smaller, highly suspect sites like Breitbart or Russian troll's Twitter feed, but there are no major news agencies of any form saying "the vaccine is a bad idea, don't get it".

And those tiny fringe sites that are saying it, I'd bet 3:1 down the line they're right-wing.

[D Luniz]

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That's not an argument anyone can make in good faith anymore. There might be some individual people or smaller, highly suspect sites like Breitbart or Russian troll's Twitter feed, but there are no major news agencies of any form saying "the vaccine is a bad idea, don't get it".

And those tiny fringe sites that are saying it, I'd bet 3:1 down the line they're right-wing.

its no different than the sudden "concern" about Chicago, a city no one that didn't at least live in Illinois cared about the crime rate of until a senator from there ran and won the presidency

now its the go to deflection

[Bodakane]

Link

Awesome.

Justice Department reverses course, saying IRS must turn over Trump tax documents to House committee

The Justice Department, in a reversal, says the Treasury Department must provide the House Ways and Means Committee former President Donald Trump’s tax returns, apparently ending a long legal showdown over the records.

Pulse: Trump’s tax returns must be released to Congress, says Justice Department

In a memo dated Friday, Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel said the committee chairman “has invoked sufficient reasons for requesting the former President’s tax information” and that under federal law, “Treasury must furnish the information to the Committee.”

So help me god, if there's bad shit in there and Munchin/Sinema help squash it and/or Biden does nothing about it.....there will be a few of you getting earfuls from me.

[PhaelixWW]

So help me god, if there's bad shit in there and Munchin/Sinema help squash it and/or Biden does nothing about it.....there will be a few of you getting earfuls from me.

I think @cubby will give you a run for your money on that one.

[Breccia]

Biden does nothing about it

Biden personally needs to steer clear. He can't be seen directing an investigation towards a political rival. I mean, it's not like he's Trump.

But the DoJ he hired? Yes. The House? Yes. The IRS? Double yes. And of course there's NYState.

There are plenty of people coming for Trump's head. Biden doesn't need to carry the axe.

[tehdang]

Another thing that's worth pointing out, the outbreak in Provincetown was during Bear Week, which is basically a weeklong party of constant circuit parties and orgies. So it's a pretty extreme example of an outbreak to base data off of.

Or to base national policy off of…

[Shadowferal]

just WHAT in conservatism covers vaccination? Rather sure neither Buckley or Feldwel said a thing about it, completely sure Reagan didn't

To be fair to Buckley, he did admit he was wrong about his position on cigarette smoking and thought cigarettes should be banned. It took terminal lung cancer to get him there so...points deducted.

[Gorsameth]

Rudy Giuliani saying he’s willing to go to jail but whoever puts him there will suffer the consequences in heaven… special. He knows heaven isn’t the place you face consequences, right?

He is right tho, surely locking up a lying scumbag like Giuliani should count for a little extra good to get into heaven.

[Breccia]

Rudy Giuliani saying he’s willing to go to jail

Anything to protect Trump. I wonder how long before he seriously wonders if it was worth it.

[Draco-Onis]

There's no reason to believe that Florida's numbers will miraculously reverse tomorrow.

I think you underestimate DeathSantis ability to fuck up with the numbers that are already inaccurate especially if it threatens his run for the presidency.

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Anything to protect Trump. I wonder how long before he seriously wonders if it was worth it.

A lot of people say that until they are in you know jail, Giuliani will crack.

[Poopymonster]

Anything to protect Trump. I wonder how long before he seriously wonders if it was worth it.

Sometime after he's a cellmate of Abedisi.

[gondrin]

Well, not sure what to state here but former RNC chair Michael Steele basically called Jim Jorden a bitch and some other stuff.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...edgdhp&pc=U531

"I can tell you the time, the place, the date of every conversation I've had with every president of this country, period," Steele said during a Thursday livestream for the Lincoln Project, a group of current and former Republican operatives who oppose Trump. "Going back to Bill Clinton, I can tell you where I was. I can tell you what was said. This son of a b**** is sitting up there acting like, 'Well, I don't know if it was before. I don't know if it was after. Oh, lordy, Jesus, I don't remember. I got to look at my notes.' You know, b****, what time you called the president, and you know what you said."

Steele then compared Jordan, who's a "grown a** man," to a 10-year-old who "got caught masturbating by [his] mama."

"Stop it," he advised Jordan.

[Ursus]

Steele then compared Jordan, who's a "grown a** man," to a 10-year-old who "got caught masturbating by [his] mama."

"Stop it," he advised Jordan.

That is a brilliant comparison. I've never thought of Gym Jordan as an actual adult. He has always come off like a little kid trying to play grownup.

[Bodakane]

I think @cubby will give you a run for your money on that one.

lol, he's one of the ones that's gonna hear it from me for defending the Biden nom and telling me its ok that we have Manchin & Sinema.

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Biden personally needs to steer clear. He can't be seen directing an investigation towards a political rival. I mean, it's not like he's Trump.

But the DoJ he hired? Yes. The House? Yes. The IRS? Double yes. And of course there's NYState.

There are plenty of people coming for Trump's head. Biden doesn't need to carry the axe.

The only way the DoJ goes after Trump is if it has Biden's blessing. If there's enough there to go after him and they don't, it will be because of Biden calling off the dogs. Which is totally something he would do, because he'll mistakenly think the country needs to move on when what we need is evil men being held accountable for the hell they've caused.

[solinari6]

The only way the DoJ goes after Trump is if it has Biden's blessing. If there's enough there to go after him and they don't, it will be because of Biden calling off the dogs. Which is totally something he would do, because he'll mistakenly think the country needs to move on when what we need is evil men being held accountable for the hell they've caused.

I don't know man ... Biden is on record saying that's completely up to the DOJ to decide. Call me naive, but I don't get the impression that Biden is the kind of guy to say that, and then pull some strings behind the scenes to make the ultimate decision anyway.

[D Luniz]

closest to a blessing Biden will give is when he said its their call

[Bodakane]

I don't know man ... Biden is on record saying that's completely up to the DOJ to decide. Call me naive, but I don't get the impression that Biden is the kind of guy to say that, and then pull some strings behind the scenes to make the ultimate decision anyway.

Of course he's on record saying that.

Biden, for all of his "aww shucks" charm is still a LIFELONG politician whose been in the game at every level, including the WH before now.

He said what he said for the media and people, and that likely has little to do with what he says to the actual DoJ.

Again, if there's info to go after Trump and they don't or do, it will 100% be Biden's call.

My guess is that if that there's enough to go after him, the DoJ will not pursue it.

[pathora44]

Hey guys so Susan Collins really doesn't like that Pelosi rejected Jim Jordan and Jim Banks from the Jan 6th Committee because she says it looks "Partisan"

During an appearance on CNN Sunday, moderate Republican senator Susan Collins (Maine) expressed disapproval with Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to reject two of the GOP picks to join the “bipartisan” panel investigating the Capitol Riot.

“I fought very hard to have an independent, bipartisan, nonpartisan outside commission to look at all of the events of that day and I’m very disappointed that it was not approved. I think it would have had far more credibility than Speaker Pelosi’s partisan committee that she has set up,” Collins commented.

When the anchor pointed out that Pelosi did appoint two Republicans, Representatives Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, to serve on the committee, the Maine senator replied, “I respect both of them but I do not think it was right of the speaker to decide which Republicans should be on the committee. Normally if you have a select committee, the minority leader and the speaker get to pick the members.” Cheney and Kinzinger both voted to impeach former President Trump after January 6.

While Collins voiced her opposition to the speaker’s move, Cheney, who was recently ousted from her leadership post as GOP conference chair, recently defended it. “I agree with what the Speaker has done,” she said.

Per the House resolution that created the committee, Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) was originally allowed five selections to serve on it while Pelosi was allowed eight. Pelosi denied two of McCarthy’s choices, Representatives Jim Jordan and Jim Banks, over their support of Trump and voter fraud allegations in the 2020 election.

In a statement, Pelosi said the “unprecedented nature” of the Capitol Riot demanded that she disqualify the two congressmen from joining the panel.

In protest to Pelosi’s move, McCarthy withdrew all Republican picks from participating in the select committee, vowing instead to lead his own GOP-backed inquiry into the incident.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/susan-col...144311972.html

The only thing I could tell Susan "He learned his lesson" Collins about this is to fuck off with her disingenuous ass. Having Jordan and Banks on the committee would have been like having criminals handle the evidence against them during the investigation.

[Ursus]

At an event Saturday night, Kevin McCarthy "joked" about hitting Nancy Pelosi with the speaker's gavel. You can listen to the audio of it here: https://twitter.com/Vivian_E_Jones/s...51875879849986

I want you to watch Nancy Pelosi hand me that gavel. It'll be hard not to hit her with it.

It's shocking that he would "joke" about physically assaulting a political opponent just months after January 6th insurrection/terrorist attack. Wait a minute, I forget this is 2021, actually it's not shocking at all.