Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[masterhorus8]

I'm amazed more of these republicans aren't realizing that they are losing far more voters than democrats. I don't expect them to care about human life, but I'd expect them to care about votes.

Them being so short-sighted is not a new trait.

[Kaleredar]

I'm amazed more of these republicans aren't realizing that they are losing far more voters than democrats. I don't expect them to care about human life, but I'd expect them to care about votes.

The GOP higher-ups like McConnell seem to have gotten that through their thick skulls, in that they're saying that more people need to get vaccinated.

But the Trump-stan republicans like DeSantis are following Trump's playbook of "pretend nothing is going wrong, and actively fight against anyone trying to say or do anything about it otherwise."

[Fugus]

I'm amazed more of these republicans aren't realizing that they are losing far more voters than democrats. I don't expect them to care about human life, but I'd expect them to care about votes.

The big question to me is, "How many will they have to lose before it gets impossible for them to steal elections through Gerrymandering, voter ID laws, and the new stuff they are pushing in Georgia?" Because, until it hits that or close to it, too many in the Republican leadership and media really won't care past token gestures.

[pathora44]

What a damn shame for Giuliani. One day the guy is on top of the world with Trump, then he does a bunch of illegal shit for Trump, and now he is almost flat broke with both criminal and civil proceedings staring him down. Where could Trump be in all of this, Giuliani's darkest hour? Oh right, he was right behind Giuliani throwing him under the bus driving by at 70MPH. Something like this could get a guy to think that loyalty is a one way street with Trump and Trump will always pay loyalty with a knife in the back.

Mary Papenfuss
Sun, August 1, 2021, 9:17 PM

Donald Trump’s former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani is almost broke and Trump doesn’t seem to care all that much, sources have told The New York Times.

Giuliani is currently struggling under a mountain of legal fees as he attempts to fend off a major federal investigation and answer a $1.3 billion lawsuit. Trump, meanwhile, isn’t pitching in a dime of the millions he has raised in his ongoing battle against a legitimate election, according to New York Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman.

Giuliani’s supporters are “aghast” that Trump isn’t helping out, according to Haberman, given that many of his activities were carried out on Trump’s behalf to push the former president’s “Big Lie” of a rigged election.

But helping Giuliani is “problematic” for the former president (and definitely for his bank account), and Giuliani should have known better than to undertake some of his activities, sources told Haberman.

The Washington Post also reported early this year that Trump had shut out his attorney, even though Giuliani had traveled the country promoting Trump’s tale of a stolen election. Trump was unhappy with Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day in fees, and “privately expressed concern” about some of Giuliani’s moves, sources told the newspaper then.

Not only was Trump refusing to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, but he told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses needed to go through him, according to the Post.

Giuliani, who has been suspended from practicing law in New York and Washington, D.C., for his questionable activities, is currently embroiled in a massive $1.3 billion lawsuit filed against him by Dominion Voting Systems.

The suit accuses Giuliani of defamation through a “viral disinformation campaign about Dominion” made up of “demonstrably false” allegations, in part to enrich himself through legal fees and a podcast. Giuliani’s fact-free attack on Dominion was part of his and Trump’s baseless narrative about a rigged election.

Giuliani is also being investigated by the FBI for his activities on behalf of certain officials — and Trump — in Ukraine. He was part of Trump’s strategy to hold up Congress-approved military aid to Ukraine to pressure officials to launch a baseless investigation into Joe Biden that led to the former president’s first impeachment.

Audio of conversations released in June revealed Giuliani repeatedly suggesting to Ukrainian officials that the nation could have a “better relationship” with the U.S. if the country’s president would open a Biden probe in 2019.

In an interview Friday on NBC New York, Giuliani called the investigation “lawless” — and said everything he did was on behalf of his client, Donald Trump.

“I am more than willing to go to jail if they want to put me in jail. And if they do, they’re going to suffer the consequences in heaven,” he declared.

A New York state appellate court in June said Giuliani would be temporarily barred from practicing law in the state for making “false and misleading statements” about the 2020 election, pending further investigation into his behavior.

“The seriousness of respondent’s uncontroverted misconduct cannot be overstated,” the court said in its 33-page decision. “This country is being torn apart by continued attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 election.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rudy-...041729650.html

[PhaelixWW]

What a damn shame for Giuliani.

I feel like the line in that article should have been:

Ghouliani's supporters are "aghast"...

I'll see myself out...

[YUPPIE]

Yeah That’s not going to happen.

Despite trump’s efforts the US is not some tin pot dictatorship. Terrorists will be dealt with like terrorists. And frankly I don’t care how many violent ya’llqaeda fucks get killed if they decide to become violent, and I don’t care if prosecuting trump causes them to become so.

even if it were a million people minimum? You would not feel bad if the Marines massacred thousands of people because they wouldn't stand down?

And it absolutely would be anarchy. When we quelled the capitol rioters, some of the Trump supporters said what the military intervened in was evil and against free will. That would inspire a new generation of legacy violence.

Please note this is on the topic of repercussions and the influence Trump holds to incite further violence. It's no laughing matter. This man isn't a petty crook like people assume. He's a world class criminal.

[Pannonian]

even if it were a million people minimum? You would not feel bad if the Marines massacred thousands of people because they wouldn't stand down?

And it absolutely would be anarchy. When we quelled the capitol rioters, some of the Trump supporters said what the military intervened in was evil and against free will.

Please note this is on the topic of repurcessions and the influence Trump holds to incite further violence. It's no laughing matter. This man isn't a petty crook like people assume. He's a world class criminal.

So you would just ignore terrorists if the try to stage a coup? Now i don't like "killing thousands of people", but if these people attack and try to subver democracy, what should we do? Sit by and let them do?

Serious question: If there would have been a way to eliminate the 12 terrorists on 9/11, would you have supported it, or would you have let them fly into the towers, as otherwise it would be anarchy?

Make no mistake: They may have white skin, but are the same terrorists, with the same goals: Klling off american democracy.

[YUPPIE]

So you would just ignore terrorists if they try to stage a coup? Now I don't like "killing thousands of people", but if these people attack and try to subvert democracy, what should we do? Sit by and let them do?

It's a shitty situation. We would have no choice but to kill or detain most of them but don't act like it's inconsequential if we did so.

That hypothetical scenario, though, is the power/threat Trump holds over Biden if he or his administration tries to arrest him. I imagine that is why he is still free and facing no real trouble.

[Poopymonster]

I feel like the line in that article should have been:








I'll see myself out...

That's a heucuva thing to say.

[Pannonian]

It's a shitty situation. We would have no choice but to kill or detain most of them but don't act like it's inconsequential if we did so.

That hypothetical scenario, though, is the power/threat Trump holds over Biden if he or his administration tries to arrest him. I imagine that is why he is still free and facing no real trouble.

The other reason would be that they are dilligently looking for proof/witnesses and not just shoot "lock him up!" from the hip. You know... like justice USED to work before...

[YUPPIE]

The other reason would be that they are dilligently looking for proof/witnesses and not just shoot "lock him up!" from the hip. You know... like justice USED to work before...

what do you mean proof? He got impeached and openly supports white nationalist conspiracies and encouraged the insurrection. That should be more than enough.

[Pannonian]

what do you mean proof? He got impeached and openly supports white nationalist conspiracies and encouraged the insurrection. That should be more than enough.

Neither being impeached not supporting white nationalists is a crime afaik. I'm all for locking him up for his role in jan. 6, but first they need proof that he planned/encouraged it.

Dragging Trump in front of a judge just to get him scott free because there is no good evidence would be even worse.

[Benggaul]

Looks like DeathSantis is drawing criticism from more Floridian public figures.

'Wrong-Headed': Miami Beach Mayor Blames DeSantis After Florida Sets COVID-19 Case Record

"We're not allowed to have mask mandates now, we were one of the first cities to require it and we charged a fine just to get people to do it. The governor stopped allowing us to do it and then immediately we saw a surge across our county and state when he did that,"

Granted, he's a Democrat so automatically he'll be ignored by half the population of the state.

[Breccia]

"Not only was Trump refusing to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, but he told aides that all reimbursement requests for travel and other expenses needed to go through him"

They are surprised Trump didn't pay what he contractually owed? Why? At this point, that's not hopeful, that's just stupid.

I wonder if Giuliani can, well, blackmail Trump by saying "pay me what you owe me, or I tell everyone the whole thing was your idea". I mean, he's nearly admitted it anyhow, his records were seized, and it's not like he'd be lying under oath. He wouldn't save his career, but Giuliani doesn't have $1.3 billion. Trump....Trump doesn't either, but he has more than Guiliani does. If Dominion wants any real payout at all, they have a limited time to get their claim on the table before NY takes half and Deustche Bank takes the other half.

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even if it were a million people minimum?

Hyperbole. Trump supporters are cosplaying as freedom fighters. After the first, I dunno, thousand are dragged out of their homes by SWAT teams, crying and sobbing like handcuffed babies, the rest will suddenly decide overthrowing the government isn't really their Constitutional duty anymore. Even those few that actually took a stand and tried to overthrow the government are now pleading in court "Please, Your Honor, I am too stupid to stand trial" and not "YOU HAVE NO AUTHORATAH".

Will some resort to violence? Well, they already have, so yes. A million? Might as well say Jaxonville will win the Super Bowl this year.

You would not feel bad if the Marines massacred thousands of people because they wouldn't stand down?

I would not feel bad if US law enforcement put down thousands of armed insurrectionists, no. These aren't innocent people we bombed in the Middle East, these aren't starving men stealing bread to feed their family, these hypothetical people are armed terrorists willing to kill over something they have proof is an objective falsehood. My sympathy towards them will be the same be it one, ten, a hundred or a thousand.

Give them every chance to surrender and face trial for their crimes. If they refuse, show their next of kin how America deals with terrorists. I don't want loss of life, but if this situation unfolds, I will put the blame squarely where it belongs: the terrorists.

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That's a heucuva thing to say.

Okay, that's enough. Let's try to stay on a revenant topic.

[Azadina]

even if it were a million people minimum? You would not feel bad if the Marines massacred thousands of people because they wouldn't stand down?

And it absolutely would be anarchy. When we quelled the capitol rioters, some of the Trump supporters said what the military intervened in was evil and against free will. That would inspire a new generation of legacy violence.

Please note this is on the topic of repercussions and the influence Trump holds to incite further violence. It's no laughing matter. This man isn't a petty crook like people assume. He's a world class criminal.

You'd ask the surviving 73 million Trumpkins if any of them still want a go, or if it's enough already.

No coddling terrorists. If they want a ride, they should get one.

[Shadowferal]

This thread seems to be dying a gruesome undeath...

[Fugus]

This thread seems to be dying a gruesome undeath...

For me, I wonder out of the 3768 pages, if we got rid of the pigeons and those feeding them and actually boiled it down to just posting the news and debating it in good faith, how many pages would it really have been? Maybe 1,000?

[jonnysensible]

so trumps raised a 100m warchest for the midterms. Saw wheelchair hitler lover posted a short video of a meeting with trump.

[Breccia]

A bit more info from Fuck Florida.

In the past week, Florida has averaged 1,525 adult hospitalizations a day, and 35 daily pediatric hospitalizations. Both are the highest per capita rate in the nation, according to Jason Salemi, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of South Florida.

Highest per-capita rate of children hospitalizations.

[Benggaul]

No report today because, as usual, only about 14 states reported on Sunday, but there's this:

Tennessee GOP rep who rejected masks now says COVID-19 is 'real and dangerous' after his 8-month battle with the virus

Tennessee GOP Rep. David Byrd is urging the public to take COVID-19 seriously and get vaccinated after his 8-month struggle with the virus, which saw him hospitalized and put under a ventilator for 55 days.

In a statement last Friday, he wrote that he was diagnosed with the virus the day before Thanksgiving last year and was admitted to the hospital on December 5.

The representative previously voted in favor of a June 2020 resolution that accused the media of sensationalizing the COVID-19 pandemic. He also attended a retreat for House Republican Caucus members last November involving barbecues and boat tours, where many were unmasked despite cases surging in the state at the time.

But after his battle with COVID-19, Byrd now wants people to take the virus seriously, calling it "real and dangerous."

"Up until this point in my life, I've been pretty healthy and active. Foolishly, I believed this virus only seriously affected people who are at high risk," he wrote in the statement obtained by NewsChannel 5 Nashville.

Great that he's "seen the light" and has decided that facts matter now, I guess, but given how long he spent spouting the same bullshit Trump and the rest of his cronies did about COVID I'd say that ship has sailed.