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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Sure. And I have no doubt the courts are going to be sensitive to any sort of sentencing of a former president that involves jail time.

    Although more than anything -- I want to see Trump have to do community service. CAN YOU IMAGINE?!?
    That would be fantastic. Him, picking up garbage. However, if it comes to a trial, I fully expect him to pull the wheelchair move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Well, they have to walk to line on that one.

    He may be a president, but he also tried to overthrow the nation and get people killed. Regardless of his failed job as a president, they CAN'T go easy on those crimes if they want anyone to take the thought of accountability seriously if they have a modicum of power.
    Right -- but those charges are going to be incredibly hard to land in criminal court. I think Trump's legal liabilities (at least this point) are mostly financial and those aren't likely to come with hardcore prison time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That would be fantastic. Him, picking up garbage. However, if it comes to a trial, I fully expect him to pull the wheelchair move.
    Yeah, I'm sure his lawyers will find a way to weasel into some cushy service but I'd love for him to be forced to feed the homeless or work with minorities.

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    I think y'all are putting the cart before the horse already thinking about Trump's house arrest.

    I mean, you seem to be assuming he'll be able to keep Mar-A-Lago if things really go south and Deutsche Bank wants their money.

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    @cubby House arrest allows people to continue to work usually, only forcing them to stay home during non-work hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Right -- but those charges are going to be incredibly hard to land in criminal court. I think Trump's legal liabilities (at least this point) are mostly financial and those aren't likely to come with hardcore prison time.
    For the financial stuff, that will be easy to stick I think and as another mentioned, will he even have that resort after all is paid back?

    As far as the other charges, I don't they would be too hard to prove at this point given Trumps telling them to walk on the capital while his own lawyer said "Let there by trial by combat" in that same meeting combined with how Trump refused to call in for help and even mocked McCarthy saying the rioters cared about the election more than him.

    Then you get the crimes where he was trying to steal the election with his actions in the post office and so on.

    The financial stuff will be easy to stick and may likely lose him his resort anyways, but the other stuff would be hard NOT to stick given all we have at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I think y'all are putting the cart before the horse already thinking about Trump's house arrest.

    I mean, you seem to be assuming he'll be able to keep Mar-A-Lago if things really go south and Deutsche Bank wants their money.
    Agreed - we are definitely WAY ahead of ourselves. We can definitely confirm that the Manhattan DA has Trump's tax records - for sure has them, not "is about to go get them after this last court ruling" bullshit.

    So the game is afoot.

    Trump currently facing:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I mean, you seem to be assuming he'll be able to keep Mar-A-Lago if things really go south and Deutsche Bank wants their money.
    Deutsche Bank didn't give Mar-a-Lago loans, near as I can tell. So while Trump might be forced to sell to make up his personal guarantee, or he might be forced to relinquish ownership if he declares personal bankruptcy, Deutsche wouldn't just take it directly.

    They would get his Chicago skyscraper, the Doral golf course, the DC hotel, Reading Railroad, Baltic Avenue, and probably Water Works, because taking that many things from Trump will make him cry like a bitch. All of these properties have been losing money because people realized how horrible a human being Trump is, but scrape his name off the sides and they should return to profitable properties again. And thanks to Trump directly forcing the issue, his hotel is still an ideal spot for foreign visitors -- which will no longer be a conflict of interest.

    The properties started losing money, but that's not bank fraud of course. It is, however, a reason why, if/when Trump declares those businesses bankrupt or goes bankrupt himself, their values as assets will be low. Trump could very easily be forced to "sell" these properties for far less than he paid for them, which in this context, means Deutsche Bank would actually take a significant portion of Trump's own assets.

    Or, he lied to the IRS and goes to jail. One of the two. We all remember Cohen has been cooperating for a literal year, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Deutsche Bank didn't give Mar-a-Lago loans, near as I can tell. So while Trump might be forced to sell to make up his personal guarantee, or he might be forced to relinquish ownership if he declares personal bankruptcy, Deutsche wouldn't just take it directly.
    Yep, this is how I meant it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Feel free to add to the list.
    Okay. DC is going after him for the inauguration fraud.

    Also near as I can tell, Trump owes Deutsche Bank several hundred million dollars. Those three properties I listed? I don't think they covered it even before he was elected. They definitely don't now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Okay. DC is going after him for the inauguration fraud.

    Also near as I can tell, Trump owes Deutsche Bank several hundred million dollars. Those three properties I listed? I don't think they covered it even before he was elected. They definitely don't now.
    Remember the slush fund that too many idiots gave Trump to "save the election". I really hope that banks don't let him slide with paying pennies on the dollar or a few million, meaning small percentage to give him time to come up with the money.

    The rich, or wannabee, con artist rich have different rules. I wish the banks show no mercy as a fake billionaire and ex Prez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Trump currently facing:
    [*]Voter intimidation criminal suit (GA)
    If this starts to go ANYWHERE, I am predicting a pardon from gov Kemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    If this starts to go ANYWHERE, I am predicting a pardon from gov Kemp.
    If he's dumb enough to do that, there won't be enough laws to suppress the turn out in the next election
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Okay. DC is going after him for the inauguration fraud.

    Also near as I can tell, Trump owes Deutsche Bank several hundred million dollars. Those three properties I listed? I don't think they covered it even before he was elected. They definitely don't now.
    If Deutsche Bank goes after all the money they are owed, either because of fraud or just because the loans coming due, Trump is going to lose a lot of properties. And those properties are either significantly under water or just plain worthless with the Trump name on them. So him might be facing personal bankruptcy as well. Which would, again, be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    If this starts to go ANYWHERE, I am predicting a pardon from gov Kemp.
    There is no upside to Kemp doing that. It might seem attractive, but as @D Luniz pointed out, he would get killed in the 2022 election. Stacy is probably going to beat him anyway, so there could a lame-duck commutation, but that's down the "maybe" road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    As far as the other charges, I don't they would be too hard to prove at this point given Trumps telling them to walk on the capital while his own lawyer said "Let there by trial by combat" in that same meeting combined with how Trump refused to call in for help and even mocked McCarthy saying the rioters cared about the election more than him.
    I really don't think those charges would stick. Mainly because Trump didn't say "I want you to now go to the Capital, invade it, and try to hang Pence." Given his office, and the nature of political rhetoric I think it will be extremely hard to get anything to stick with the Jan 6th riots.

    Then you get the crimes where he was trying to steal the election with his actions in the post office and so on.
    There might definitely be something with Georgia -- although again...there may be enough wiggle room in the fact he didn't outright say "commit election fraud for me that's an order." As for other things -- like obstruction of justice and the like...those are more political and I am going to guess the Biden administration is going to have the stomach to go after Trump.

    the other stuff would be hard NOT to stick given all we have at this point.
    Well I guess we'll see...I'm not so optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Only court approved visitors. I'm not sure about family/spouse though. I am almost certain each case is handled a little differently.

    That would be fantastic.
    The narcissist would probably forfeit visitors for a lot of mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    There is no upside to Kemp doing that. It might seem attractive, but as @D Luniz pointed out, he would get killed in the 2022 election. Stacy is probably going to beat him anyway, so there could a lame-duck commutation, but that's down the "maybe" road.
    Do you think we'd even have a verdict and sentencing by the 2022 lame duck period? It's entirely possible he could do a pardon and/or commutation either as a FU if he lost or as a gamble after he wins re-election that people will forget by the time he's up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Do you think we'd even have a verdict and sentencing by the 2022 lame duck period? It's entirely possible he could do a pardon and/or commutation either as a FU if he lost or as a gamble after he wins re-election that people will forget by the time he's up again.
    Interesting point. The investigating and prosecuting authorities could push to delay it. Trump and his legal team would almost certainly delay as much as possible. We're almost two full years out from an in-place GA Governor, so maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I really don't think those charges would stick. Mainly because Trump didn't say "I want you to now go to the Capital, invade it, and try to hang Pence." Given his office, and the nature of political rhetoric I think it will be extremely hard to get anything to stick with the Jan 6th riots.

    There might definitely be something with Georgia -- although again...there may be enough wiggle room in the fact he didn't outright say "commit election fraud for me that's an order." As for other things -- like obstruction of justice and the like...those are more political and I am going to guess the Biden administration is going to have the stomach to go after Trump.

    Well I guess we'll see...I'm not so optimistic.
    The glory of this, Biden doesn't have to have the stomach for it, he shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. All he has to do is appoint an Attorney General who will do their job.

    If we let Trump off the hook after all this, we invite it to happen again and likely the next person won't be as incompetent as he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Hey, yeah - that's a good point. If that's his "home" then no one else could come in, and of course he couldn't have the resort open with guests coming and going. Interesting.
    I thought the only reason he's allowed to live there is being a live-in domestic service employee of the resort. A classy establishments like that fires a felon immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    The glory of this, Biden doesn't have to have the stomach for it, he shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. All he has to do is appoint an Attorney General who will do their job.

    If we let Trump off the hook after all this, we invite it to happen again and likely the next person won't be as incompetent as he is.
    You mean nominate an Attorney General. He already has: Merrick Garland. Good chance it'll be approved in the Senate too since apparently even McConnell approves of the pick. If he had a soul I'd say it's out of guilt for stealing the SCOTUS seat from him under Obama, but, yeah.

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