Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

He lost me at: "Biden won less than 10 states in the election. Trump won California."

There are a lot of grifters in this Trump party, more than I can count, but there are a few, very very few, but a few, that are true believers. Mike Lindell is someone who I'm not entirely sure if he's a grifter, that is just really bad at it, or a true believer, that really believes Trump is gonna be re-instated with his non existent proof, simply because his drug addled head has completely melted his brain. Either way idk how David Pakman can keep a straight face through any of that, it's banana's.

[PhaelixWW]

Mike Lindell is someone who I'm not entirely sure if he's a grifter, that is just really bad at it, or a true believer, that really believes Trump is gonna be re-instated with his non existent proof, simply because his drug addled head has completely melted his brain.

Mike Lindell has drunk the cool-aid. I have zero doubt in my mind that the guy is a gullible buffoon being squeezed dry by those with slightly more sense than he.

[ati87]

There are a lot of grifters in this Trump party, more than I can count, but there are a few, very very few, but a few, that are true believers. Mike Lindell is someone who I'm not entirely sure if he's a grifter, that is just really bad at it, or a true believer, that really believes Trump is gonna be re-instated with his non existent proof, simply because his drug addled head has completely melted his brain. Either way idk how David Pakman can keep a straight face through any of that, it's banana's.

True believers spend money on this BS (Lindell) while those that are just there for the grift try, and sometimes fail, to make money of this BS (giuliani or trump)

[Benggaul]

Tuesday's report:

104,758 new cases; about 23.5k more than last Tuesday.

Top 10:

Fuck Florida (over 17k according to worldometers, I expect higher today).
Texas: 14,873 new cases; 53 deaths
California: 10,010 new cases; 25 deaths
Georgia: 9,197 new cases; 25 deaths
Louisiana: 4,753 new cases; 59 deaths
Illinois: 2,682 new cases; 11 deaths
Tennessee: 2,677 new cases; 16 deaths
Missouri: 2,640 new cases; still not reporting deaths (if anyone knows why, let us know)
New York: 2,636 new cases; 16 deaths
Arkansas: 2,343 new cases; 16 deaths

As pointed out by @PhaelixWW yesterday Florida reported 51k cases for the past few days and worldometers has essentially split them evenly between 3 days, putting Florida's 7-day average at a new record of 17,629. Texas continues "mastering" the pandemic as they near 15k cases and California exceeded 10k for the second time in a week. Georgia's posted total is double what they had last Thursday and the highest they've had since mid-January. I suspect some of that is a correction from the weekend, but they would likely still be in the top 10 regardless. 27 states posted totals of 1k or more. Here's an updated map of how things are looking nationwide:

Grim. And that "L" is for "Looking pretty bad".

516 deaths is about 150 more than last Tuesday and brings the total to 630,497. Not good. Louisiana topped the list today with Texas and Florida rounding out the top 3. Things will likely shake up a bit more as the week goes on and we move away from weekend corrections, but Louisiana's in poor shape. Not quite Fuck Florida poor, though. DeathSantis might find some preventable deaths acceptable, but I don't. Nobody should.

Related news:

Walgreens sees surge in U.S. COVID-19 vaccinations in recent weeks--As I mentioned yesterday, seeing people dropping like flies seems to have had a positive effect on vaccination percentages, particularly in states such as Alabama where it's been embarrassingly low.

Help or 'get out of the way.' Biden criticizes governors in Texas and Florida over handling of COVID-19--Trumper governors are still content to let their constituents die preventable deaths in the name of "Freedumb", so this is probably the softest possible thing Biden could have said. I probably would have gone with "contrary to what your kind believe, the dead don't vote, so maybe you should start trying to save your base".

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

It's going to be a busy day in the courts handing out Trump losses.

1) Rubio asks DNI to investigate why the DoJ unmasked Tucker Carlson. As a reminder, not only is this not confirmed (yet), but (a) as I've posted before it would have been done if Carlson's name came up in irrelevant context, such as "hey comrade, while we rig the election for Trump, did you watch Carlson last night?" and (b) Trump intentionally went after reporters' personal info and Rubio never said shit about it.

2) Nunes sues MSNBC claiming he was defamed by Maddow from 2017 through 2019. Why he waited two years to decide he was defamed is anyone's guess, although mine is "he wasn't". Oh, and as a reminder, Team Trump has been going with "it's not lying if we report that Trump said it" which means Maddow can factually report anything Nunes said, even if it makes him look bad, especially if it makes him look bad, and that's not defaming.

3) The big one is, as expected, Trump is asking a court to block Congress from seeing his tax returns, claiming it's a violation of his First Amendment rights and that the request was tailored to attack a political opponent and is therefore illegal.

Well, where to start?

a) Trump threatened to prosecute Clinton, to her face, in public, during a debate. So he has no right to complain.
b) A security risk for a WH member is a big deal. It should be disqualifying. Trump still has security clearance as an election loser and this still needs to be done.
c) No other person running has had Trump's vast array of debts and blackmail on him. Trump decrying a rule made for him therefore rings hollow.

Considering SCOTUS already ruled NY can have Trump's taxes, the odds he can hold them back from Congress seem slight. Also, even if whatever court ruling goes in his favor, on-his-way-out Cuomo will probably hand them to Pelosi in a gift basket of Empire Macs and a note saying "make sure these go public".

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Arkansas: 2,343 new cases; 16 deaths

Well, I signed it at the time because our cases were at a very low point. I knew it'd be overridden by the legislature if I didn’t sign it.

I already eliminated our statewide mask mandate

-- the governor of Arkansas, while admitting he regrets signing a ban on mask mandates in Arkansas schools

Now, that's some "but you have to understand..." he's doing, but at least he's asking the Arkansas Senate to override it so he can sign...unsign...he admits he made a mistake. School starts soon, you might want to get moving on that.

[Shadowferal]

-- the governor of Arkansas, while admitting he regrets signing a ban on mask mandates in Arkansas schools

He's likely seeing a death toll attributed to him from Arkansas residents that he never wanted connected to him. Adults are on thing, but children? He has no political spin on that.

[Breccia]

He's likely seeing a death toll attributed to him from Arkansas residents that he never wanted connected to him.

Well he should have thought about that before he banned mask mandates. He missed his exit, but at least he's making a U-turn.

[Shadowferal]

Well he should have thought about that before he banned mask mandates. He missed his exit, but at least he's making a U-turn.

He thought he could play politics, but had one of those "oh shit!" revelations.Adults dying are one thing. The thought would be (in Arkansas) that they took their chances.
Children however...there are no political plays here. ("Oh shit")

[Breccia]

Children however...there are no political plays here.

Oh, I agree. And yes, we saw him try to weasel his way out of responsibility (he said it would have been passed anyhow). The good news for Arkansas schoolchildren is the fall semester hasn't started. There's still time to fix this. The senate needs to do their job, apparently.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker...wants?ref=home

Oh boy, Tucker LOVES Viktor Orban now. Weird that he'd continue his love affair with authoritarians, no wonder he likes Trump.

[Breccia]

It's because he lost that last election, the defeat of Trump cultists Wright in Texas.

UPDATE: Trump describes Wright's loss as a win for Trump, despite endorsing Wright who lost.

No, really.

My endorsed candidate won in the Primary, but the other outstanding candidate won the General Election because virtually 100% of Democrats, approximately 17% of the total vote, supported the candidate I did not endorse.

I won because we ended up with a great Republican candidate—the Democrats never had a chance.

It was a big Trump victory, a great Republican victory, and a great victory for American Patriot Congressman Jake Ellzey

"Well why didn't the Democrats vote for a Democrat?"

It was a special election. Wright and Ellzey were the only two running.

So, yes, Trump is claiming victory because of a race in which he backed the only candidate who lost. Just a reminder to all those members of Team Trump: if you lose, you mean nothing to him. He's also bragging about picking one of the two winners of a two-person race.

@TexasRules you're from the state in question and have been active recently. You're also a proven Trump supporter. Perhaps you'd care to weigh in on how Trump, having backed the only candidate who didn't win? Oh, and don't bother saying "it's because a Republican won" because both candidates were Republicans and that was a given at the outset, yet Trump still picked one. Or, you could remain silent and I will interpret this silence as "Trump was lying to soothe his poor fragile snowflake ego".

[PhaelixWW]

So, yes, Trump is claiming victory because of a race in which he backed the only candidate who lost.

That sounds like a perfect definition for "a big Trump victory" alright.

[Breccia]

Party of Trump tries to hold the infrastructure bill hostage by tying Wall funding to it.

Of course it failed. Incidentally, Manchin voted for it.

[Edge-]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ns-moratorium/

Huh, I guess conservative media are big fans of landlords and love seeing people struggling get evicted during a pandemic?

Weird that there's all this "rule of law" and "contracts matter more than anything else!" while ignoring the rule of law and the fact that contracts are subject to the same laws, and if there's a temporary pause on evictions then those contracts can't be enforced to evict someone.

With how often Trump took action with questionable legality, letting the courts figure it out, I'm surprised that they think something like this is "new" or "different" than the past four years.

[D Luniz]

while posting here is preaching to the choir,
gonna link this just to point out how bad its getting even when at least at the local level, the government is trying to fight covid

https://twitter.com/HoustonHealth/st...303892994?s=20

[Edge-]

Make America Great Again? They're Making Avoidable Pandemics Great Again. Though I don't think MAPGA is as catchy a slogan as MAGA.

[beanman12345]

Make America Great Again? They're Making Avoidable Pandemics Great Again. Though I don't think MAPGA is as catchy a slogan as MAGA.

Ron DeathSentance has better thing's to do, like attack ben and jerry's. Abbott, got his hand's full calling special sessions. Priorities ya know.

[PhaelixWW]

gonna link this just to point out how bad its getting even when at least at the local level, the government is trying to fight covid

But how is this news, though?

We already know that new case counts are rising everywhere, especially since the 4th of July weekend. The 7-day rolling average for new case counts in Texas went from 1351 on July 6th to 5769 on July 26th, which is more than 4x the rate.

Pointing out the increase in viral load in wastewater seems akin to pointing out an increase in sick days being used, to which the appropriate response is, like... "Duh?"

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be overly critical, though I'm sure that's how this is going to come across, but I mean, if you want to get the point across, you can just be more visceral...

Houston Chronicle: 'Dark times': Houston's fourth COVID-19 wave to be the largest yet, medical leaders predict




Houston's about to get fucked.

[Breccia]

Houston's about to get fucked.

25 days is a long time for "if this trend continues". Hopefully Houston intentionally breaks this model by being safe.

[PhaelixWW]

25 days is a long time for "if this trend continues". Hopefully Houston intentionally breaks this model by being safe.

And yet... how long does it take measures being taken to have an actual effect?

Even if they made changes tomorrow, they likely wouldn't see a change in the ICU bed rate trajectory for a few weeks. New cases trajectory would lag about a week behind new measures. ICU rates probably 2 weeks. Death rates probably 3 weeks.

I mean, I guess at this point we hope that they started being smarter weeks ago.