Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[YUPPIE]

Because a bunch of ignorant and privileged people taking to the streets committing acts of violence over a temporary public health measure wouldn't already make America look bad. Sure, Jan.

what can you do besides detaining and killing them, which is only going to inspire more outrage and violence over what democracy is? Trump supporters already went berserk over the last quarantine and mask mandate.

This country is completely divided now.

[Elegiac]

what can you do besides detaining and killing them

Gee I wonder if there were any successful examples of ridding society of a high level of fascist influence.

This country is completely divided now.

You really don't seem to get just how much of a minority position the Republican Party let alone Trumpists are operating from.

Hint: When surveys using language like "1/3 of Americans, but 90% of Republicans" have become commonplace, that's fairly telling.

[Kaleredar]

what can you do besides detaining and killing them, which is only going to inspire more outrage and violence over what democracy is? Trump supporters already went berserk over the last quarantine and mask mandate.

This country is completely divided now.

You and the guy who started this thread both routinely fail to comprehend one simple thing:

The just will not fear the unjust. Ever.

I don’t care how many people would become violent if trump was arrested or put on trial. I don’t care how many people become violent because they think Covid is a hoax or masks are impacting their freedoms. I don’t care what the “optics” of forcing them back in line looks like. The rule of law will always govern the land, and if people choose, yes CHOOSE, no one is forcing them, to commit violence, then I have zero qualms about the appropriate force being deployed to keep them in check.

If theyre committing political acts of violence against innocent people as you say, like terrorists? I have ZERO problem with law enforcement dropping them where they stand, no matter how many of them there are. America would be seen as stronger for it, instead of giving literal fascist terrorists some sort of free pass as you seem to prescribe. And if that makes more right-wing fascists choose to take up violence? Then drop them too.

These people don’t have valid concerns or opinions. Their opposition to the rule of law does not come from a place of moral or legal high round. Their positions are based on only misinformation and lies they choose to consume.

[Shadowferal]

Employers are losing patience with unvaccinated workers

NJ governor Phil Murphy getting pissed

“Frankly, enough is enough,” he said in an interview Thursday with The Inquirer. “The irresponsibility, the amount of people who are getting sick and dying because of these people believing in falsehoods — they need to be called out.”

Murphy, a Democrat seeking reelection in November, was speaking Wednesday in Union City, where he signed legislation to prevent evictions and provide utility assistance for renters. When he urged vaccination, as he does at most appearances, a group of protesters began heckling him, waving signs that bore slogans such as “No forced injections.”

“These folks back there have lost their minds — you’ve lost your minds!” an agitated Murphy said in a moment livestreamed on his YouTube channel. “You are the ultimate knuckleheads! And because of what you are saying and standing for, people are losing their life!”

The end ‘keeps moving’

For many vaccinated people, the frustration is underpinned by multiple factors: an exhaustion with restrictions, rules, and fear; uncertainty about the future; turmoil over the country’s deep ideological divide; and, perhaps most important, a sense that the pandemic’s end was in sight but now may be slipping away.

Anger among vaccinated people, experts said, is aimed at those who choose to decline the shot, not the segments of the population that still have barriers to access, need assistance, experience systemic inequity, or can’t be vaccinated due to medical conditions.

[Hollycakes]

If you haven't seen the interview yet, they interview crackhead pillow guy and he lets the CNN guy look at his "evidence".

[Lenonis]

The problem with trying to enforce another lockdown is you'll get American citizens rampaging across the streets in protest claiming they're being oppressed, killing and burning everything they see, and forcing military intervention.

You people and your violence/civil war fetishes.

[Noxx79]

The problem with trying to enforce another lockdown is you'll get American citizens rampaging across the streets in protest claiming they're being oppressed, killing and burning everything they see, and forcing military intervention.

No. You’ll see protests, and damage maybe. You will NOT see the military.

[Shadowferal]

National Guard is likely.

[Benggaul]

Heyyyy isn't the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota due to start soon? The thing that was confirmed to be a huge superspreader event last year? I'm sure the governor will shut that dohhhhhhh wait a minute it's Kristi Noem. Nevermind. Rest in peace.

[Edge-]

Heyyyy isn't the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota due to start soon? The thing that was confirmed to be a huge superspreader event last year? I'm sure the governor will shut that dohhhhhhh wait a minute it's Kristi Noem. Nevermind. Rest in peace.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...superspreader/

700K people, I hope everyone local is able to stay the fuck home and avoid these fucks.

[pathora44]

Heyyyy isn't the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota due to start soon? The thing that was confirmed to be a huge superspreader event last year? I'm sure the governor will shut that dohhhhhhh wait a minute it's Kristi Noem. Nevermind. Rest in peace.

No worries she already has that covered. She will pull out the GQP bullhorn and scream "BLAME BROWN PEOPLE" and the GQP idiots will eat it up. No matter how precisely the CDC connects the future super-spreader event to the future super spread of the virus the GQP base will just continue to blame brown people.

[Kaleredar]

No worries she already has that covered. She will pull out the GQP bullhorn and scream "BLAME BROWN PEOPLE" and the GQP idiots will eat it up. No matter how precisely the CDC connects the future super-spreader event to the future super spread of the virus the GQP base will just continue to blame brown people.

...with South Dakota being, of course, one of the pretty damn far places one could be from the southern border.

And like I said earlier, I find the mental gymnastics they have to pull to reason that immigrants are spreading COVID... quite special. Are they spreading COVID because they don't wear masks, or because they're unvaccinated? Because conservatives, by and large, ALSO fit those two categories.

[pathora44]

...with South Dakota being, of course, one of the pretty damn far places one could be from the southern border.

And like I said earlier, I find the mental gymnastics they have to pull to reason that immigrants are spreading COVID... quite special. Are they spreading COVID because they don't wear masks, or because they're unvaccinated? Because conservatives, by and large, ALSO fit those two categories.

You are thinking to hard on this because the average GQP voter can't think that hard. The reason they blame immigrants is because Brown People, that is it. In reality they don't need a reason to blame brown people because really anything will do. It is to hot today, blame brown people. Ow I stubbed my toe, blame brown people. Oh shit I am broke due to donating to Trump and they auto checked me to repeat donate over and over again, blame brown people. See it doesn't matter what they blame brown people for because they blame brown people for everything.

[YUPPIE]

No. You’ll see protests, and damage maybe

aren't trump supporters so dedicated they tried a violent insurrection? I wouldn't put street-wide rampaging and looting past them in the "damage" estimates you mentioned.

It's why it's difficult if not impossible right now to enforce another quarantine or incarceration of Donald Trump. You don't know what these people will do in response.

[Edge-]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former...-and-overtaxed

They can't stop talking about seceding, can they? Now they want to be able to have counties secede from states because they don't like how democracy works.

Nobody is stopping them from moving to the Great Pacific Trash Heap and starting their own Kekistan Trumpworld utopia there.

[Zan15]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former...-and-overtaxed

They can't stop talking about seceding, can they? Now they want to be able to have counties secede from states because they don't like how democracy works.

Nobody is stopping them from moving to the Great Pacific Trash Heap and starting their own Kekistan Trumpworld utopia there.

lol oh no can't give PR or DC its 51 state status but lets make 71 states with angry white old people dependent on the federal teet and blue states.

guess we can split Texas up into 5 parts. 4 liberal states and 1 very red poor state for everyone else.

[Benggaul]

Oof. Took a peek at the numbers before heading to bed. My condolences to any of the cool peeps here from Florida. Also, fuck Florida.

[Hollycakes]

Also, fuck Florida.

As a Floridian™, I approve of this message.

[Endus]

aren't trump supporters so dedicated they tried a violent insurrection? I wouldn't put street-wide rampaging and looting past them in the "damage" estimates you mentioned.

It's why it's difficult if not impossible right now to enforce another quarantine or incarceration of Donald Trump. You don't know what these people will do in response.

You realize your whole position here is just straight extortion, right?

"Do what we want or we'll engage in criminal violence!"

That's what you're arguing.

So yeah; when people respond with "we're not gonna let you extort us, and if anyone gets violent, that's what police and the law are for", that's just . . . being reasonable when confronted with threats of criminal action in an attempt to extort a response.

Also, yes, using the threat of unlawful violence to try and force political change is pretty much the central definition of "terrorism". So all you're really doing here is coming out in favor of domestic terrorism as a practice.

[Breccia]

Oof. Took a peek at the numbers before heading to bed. My condolences to any of the cool peeps here from Florida. Also, fuck Florida.

Out of curiosity, did Illinois or Massah fuck it, you know where this is going.

Let's add a few things to the Trump Shitshow. I don't know if they were covered, sorry if I missed it.

1) Rep. Ralph Norman has COVID. If that name sounds familiar, it should. Rep. Norman was fined $500 for not wearing a mask to the House and is suing Pelosi for it.

2) Trump ally Braynard is organizing a Justice for J6 rally. In an interview, he claimed he's doing this because of, you guessed it, unverified vague accounts that the murderous insurrectionists are being mistreated.

The rally will be held at the Capitol.

2) No, really. The Capitol.

3) As a reminder, Trump took more trips in one year than Obama did all eight. He drove up taxpayer costs for travel and Secret Service protection.

On his way out of town, he unilaterally gave his family and three of his friends (Munchin, for example) six extra months of SS protection. This cost taxpayers over a million dollars.

In fact, Trump was such a drain on the Secret Service that...okay, trying to kill some of them with COVID is still the worst. But he also stressed their budget to the point of a $60 million loan. A new book details how morale at the SS has never been this low, except for the two agents allegedly fucking Trump's daughters (in-law).

4) The Scottish government might be moving on Trump. It might have something to do with all the cash payments he made on Scottish golf courses that never once made a profit. At a time when Trump couldn't get a loan from anyone except Russian money launderer Deutsche Bank. In fact, the term "McMafia" seems to be coming up, and something called an "Unexplained Wealth Order" which is apparently Scottish for "show us your taxes".

Near as I can tell, Trump has paid Scotland $0 in taxes and gotten $800,000 in tax benefits.

5) Yet another anti-vaxxer died within days of saying "this is nothing". If you think me linking the name Leslie Lawrenson is being disrespectful to someone who died, you're correct. He risked his family trying to downplay/ignore a known fatal illness. He deserves my disrespect and I give it intentionally. For what it's worth, his wife is actually saying "this is real, get the vaccine".