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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Oh, I guess you didn't read the rest of the original post
    I did not, I assumed Florida just gave 3 or 4 equal days like they did last times. My bad. Yes, that's their second-worst day twice in a row, and 23k is easily the top ten. Florida is committing suicide.

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    Sighing and shaking his head, Gov. Abbott asks hospitals to delay elective procedures and bring in guest doctors from out of state, because Texas is overwhelmed.

    How did this happen? If only someone had warned us that ignoring the pandemic wouldn't make it go away
    "Har har. What did he really say?"

    The State of Texas is taking action to combat the recent rise in COVID-19 cases and ensure that our hospitals and communities have the resources and support they need to mitigate the virus. Texans can help bolster our efforts by getting vaccinated against COVID-19. The COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective, and it is our best defense against this virus.
    "Ah, so surely he also stopped opposing mask mandates in schools, because children can't get vaccinated?"

    No.

    "Why would doctors come in from a neighboring state and help Texas?"

    They wouldn't. Neighboring states are almost as bad.

    "Why would doctors come in from any other state and help Texas?"

    I don't think a lot of them would. There might be some anti-maxxer states that aren't currently spiking, I haven't checked the Dakotas recently. Most doctors, even those in Texas and Florida, have opposed the population's and governor's lackluster prevention tactics and have expressed how overworked they are. They're not making a great selling point. Cash, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Please expand on this. I don’t understand.
    How do you prosecute Trump?

    1. He has the Russians backing him. The worst kind of mafioso Russians out of something like Serbian Film that no one would want to mess with. While his criminal connections are probably more expansive, a lawyer facing the challenge of taking down Trump will probably call it quits at the first signs of death threats if they value their life.
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    Besides the criminal aspect there, who knows what information he leaked to the Russians? If he is ever incarcerated, he could threaten this as leverage for the last resort.

    2. His influence over the masses and ability to incite violence and terror. While it's true these people would be killed or subdued easily, becoming a martyr for neo-nazis can cause unfathomable damage. People would start causing shootings or terror acts in Trump's name if he were imprisoned or executed at worst. A simple gesture of "fight like hell" would rile up half of America into anarchy. Therefore, I imagine prosecutors are genuinely afraid of going after Trump and let him be despite all the evidence of crime and treason.

    Overall, it's a case of a man who holds the influence and power to do whatever he likes with impunity knowing he's quite untouchable. Lesser people having done what Trump has would have already been executed for high treason. But Donald Trump isn't even so much as behind bars for a time out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    How do you prosecute Trump?

    1. He has the Russians backing him. The worst kind of mafioso Russians out of something like Serbian Film that no one would want to mess with. While his criminal connections are probably more expansive, a lawyer facing the challenge of taking down Trump will probably call it quits at the first signs of death threats if they value their life.
    .
    Besides the criminal aspect there, who knows what information he leaked to the Russians? If he is ever incarcerated, he could threaten this as leverage for the last resort.

    2. His influence over the masses and ability to incite violence and terror. While it's true these people would be killed or subdued easily, becoming a martyr for neo-nazis can cause unfathomable damage. People would start causing shootings or terror acts in Trump's name if he were imprisoned or executed at worst. A simple gesture of "fight like hell" would rile up half of America into anarchy. Therefore, I imagine prosecutors are genuinely afraid of going after Trump and let him be despite all the evidence of crime and treason.

    Overall, it's a case of a man who holds the influence and power to do whatever he likes with impunity knowing he's quite untouchable. Lesser people having done what Trump has would have already been executed for high treason. But Donald Trump isn't even so much as behind bars for a time out.
    That's... an awful lot of fiction, right there. You have an overactive imagination.

    Or perhaps you just like exaggerating things while asking ridiculous questions for some unknown, but presumably nefarious purpose.

    Hork?


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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    How do you prosecute Trump?
    The same way you would any rich idiot.

    1. He has the Russians backing him. The worst kind of mafioso Russians out of something like Serbian Film that no one would want to mess with. While his criminal connections are probably more expansive, a lawyer facing the challenge of taking down Trump will probably call it quits at the first signs of death threats if they value their life.
    Not only is this not true (Russians were perfectly willing to use his stupidity, but there's no connection to organized crime), even if it were, it wouldn't matter. You vastly overestimate the power of Russian crime bosses.

    Besides the criminal aspect there, who knows what information he leaked to the Russians? If he is ever incarcerated, he could threaten this as leverage for the last resort.
    That's more reason to incarcerate. Not less.

    2. His influence over the masses and ability to incite violence and terror. While it's true these people would be killed or subdued easily, becoming a martyr for neo-nazis can cause unfathomable damage. People would start causing shootings or terror acts in Trump's name if he were imprisoned or executed at worst. A simple gesture of "fight like hell" would rile up half of America into anarchy. Therefore, I imagine prosecutors are genuinely afraid of going after Trump and let him be despite all the evidence of crime and treason.
    A few domestic terrorists aren't going to achieve any meaningful shift in anything. It wouldn't be "half of America". At best, you might get a couple thousand morons like you did on January 6th. Which only got as far as they did because of complicity from within, as Trump was still in power at the time. If they'd put the Capitol Police out in force, or called in the National Guard pre-emptively, January 6 wouldn't have happened. Because those assholes are cowards and dipshits, not a revolutionary force.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It wouldn't be "half of America".
    didn't Trump almost beat Biden and have millions of supporters? He isn't independent either, he's a Republican after all, so he has a significant political party backing him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    didn't Trump almost beat Biden and have millions of supporters?
    If by "almost", you mean "losing by 7 million votes in an Electoral College biased in his favor". And as for "million of supporters"; so what? There's a big whopping difference between waddling out to vote for the Republican, and taking up actual arms to fight on their behalf.

    He isn't independent either, he's a Republican after all, so he has a significant political party backing him.
    He isn't a Republican, other than possibly as a voter. He isn't part of any party whatsoever and has no political role in any capacity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    didn't Trump almost beat Biden and have millions of supporters? He isn't independent either, he's a Republican after all, so he has a significant political party backing him.
    Trump claimed he won in a landslide in 2016. But Biden got the same amount of EC votes in 2020, and people think it was fucking close. Trump only won by 77k votes in 2016 across 3 states. Biden won by more than double.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    He isn't a Republican, other than possibly as a voter. He isn't part of any party whatsoever and has no political role in any capacity.
    The Republicans love him though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    The Republicans love him though.
    That's nice dear. Doesn't really change the fact the veiled threats of insurrection are still pretty limp dick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    in the end people, I'm just saying Trump will never be prosecuted. That's just reality and how power works.

    The fact he tried an insurrection, is still free, and the GOP found ways to blame anything but Trump or themselves speaks volumes.

    America is divided and broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    in the end people, I'm just saying Trump will never be prosecuted.
    He's already been impeached twice, so.

    This is wishful thinking on your part. If the DoJ doesn't go after him, New York or another state will.

    To say nothing of his creditors.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    in the end people, I'm just saying Trump will never be prosecuted. That's just reality and how power works.

    The fact he tried an insurrection, is still free, and the GOP found ways to blame anything but Trump or themselves speaks volumes.

    America is divided and broken.
    So yeah exactly like an El Chapo situation. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    He's already been impeached twice, so.
    I'm actually wondering what this even amounts to for consequences in hindsight. He's boasting he's coming back for 2024, which implies he's eligible to do as he pleases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I'm actually wondering what this even amounts to for consequences in hindsight. He's boasting he's coming back for 2024, which implies he's eligible to do as he pleases.
    He also boasted that COVID would be gone by summer of 2020.

    And then proceeded to nearly die of COVID himself the following autumn.



    Maybe believing the word of a chronic and habitual liar isn't a smart strategy. Maybe workshop that a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Like I said, it would have to be now, or never. More schools in Florida are applying mask mandates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Well, shit.

    So Fuck Florida just dropped their Monday weekend backfill update: 80.5k new cases and 332 deaths for Saturday through Monday.

    This is not a pretty sight:



    In case anybody is morbidly curious, the breakdown is 23,903 / 93 for Saturday, 28,316 / 119 for Sunday, and 28,317 / 120 for Monday.

    Prior to this weekend, Florida's 7-day rolling average for new case counts was 18,933 and for deaths was 90. Through today, however, we're now at... well, actually, that reminds me about...


    Surprising absolutely nobody, Florida's 7-day rolling average for new case counts is now 20,867. Nobody here took @Benggaul's bet, probably because nobody here is as fucking stupid as Florida's Governor DeSantis.

    Incidentally, the 7-day average for deaths in Florida is now 113. That's a 20% jump in three days.

    And the curve is still heading upward.

    In closing, I'll leave you with this wonderful article...

    CNN: Florida governor's office says state could withhold salaries of officials who enact school mask mandates
    And here with an addendum is Dr. Ashish K. Jha: physician, researcher, and Dean of the School of Public Health at Brown University.

    Today, the 5 most vaccinated states (14M people) had

    580 people in hospital, 12 deaths

    In the 5 least vaccinated states (16M people)?

    6,600 hospitalized, 104 deaths

    Per capita , least vaccinated states have

    10X hospitalizations and 7X deaths

    So yeah, vaccines are working

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    Well, just got home from my first full (night) shift in over a year (still recovering...I've still got a long road ahead) and it went well enough. My job is 95% physical so I was pretty worried about whether or not I'd be able to hack it, but I guess I still have some oomph in me yet. Now to sit back and relax before heading to be--

    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    So Fuck Florida just dropped their Monday weekend backfill update: 80.5k new cases and 332 deaths for Saturday through Monday.
    Sonofabitch.

    Well I guess I won't have to worry about doing a Quick Report for Monday because that pretty much says it all, eh? I'll still take a peek and maybe type something up after I wake up this evening but doubt I'll find anything as damning as that. Not sure I'll find anything positive either...I've been looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    In closing, I'll leave you with this wonderful article...
    You know, among the long list of things I take issue with regarding his fucking attitude about COVID is his notion that "it's up to the parents to decide" how they want their kid protected, because it makes it clear he still doesn't understand--or is purposely choosing not to elaborate, which is even worse--that the masks aren't for personal safety. They're primarily to keep you from spreading it to other people. So a parent choosing to allow their child to go maskless isn't "choosing what's best for their child" it's "choosing to put every other child and adult at risk". Fuck DeathSantis and Fuck Florida.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I haven't checked the Dakotas
    The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally just happened in South Dakota which apparently brought 700k people together...so...I guess we'll see if they don't need those doctors themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    He's boasting he's coming back for 2024, which implies he's eligible to do as he pleases.
    And you believe him, because...?
    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    And you believe him, because...?
    Why would he lie? Surely if he was a liar the media would have called him out on it by now. If he was a known liar no one would ever follow him or believe what he says. The fact that he has a lot of people willing to believe him proves he can't be a liar. What you people fail to realize is that he has power and money and that kind of person doesn't need to lie to get what they want.

    There, how was that impression of YUPPIE? I was worried that it was a little too over-the-top but I don't think it was over-the-top enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    And you believe him, because...?
    he's not in prison and there hasn't been any written thing on him being permanently barred from politics
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