Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

Well, shit.

So Fuck Florida just dropped their Monday weekend backfill update: 80.5k new cases and 332 deaths for Saturday through Monday.

This is not a pretty sight:



In case anybody is morbidly curious, the breakdown is 23,903 / 93 for Saturday, 28,316 / 119 for Sunday, and 28,317 / 120 for Monday.

Prior to this weekend, Florida's 7-day rolling average for new case counts was 18,933 and for deaths was 90. Through today, however, we're now at... well, actually, that reminds me about...


Surprising absolutely nobody, Florida's 7-day rolling average for new case counts is now 20,867. Nobody here took @Benggaul's bet, probably because nobody here is as fucking stupid as Florida's Governor DeSantis.

Incidentally, the 7-day average for deaths in Florida is now 113. That's a 20% jump in three days.

And the curve is still heading upward.

In closing, I'll leave you with this wonderful article...

CNN: Florida governor's office says state could withhold salaries of officials who enact school mask mandates

And here with an addendum is Dr. Ashish K. Jha: physician, researcher, and Dean of the School of Public Health at Brown University.

Today, the 5 most vaccinated states (14M people) had

580 people in hospital, 12 deaths

In the 5 least vaccinated states (16M people)?

6,600 hospitalized, 104 deaths

Per capita , least vaccinated states have

10X hospitalizations and 7X deaths

So yeah, vaccines are working

[Benggaul]

Well, just got home from my first full (night) shift in over a year (still recovering...I've still got a long road ahead) and it went well enough. My job is 95% physical so I was pretty worried about whether or not I'd be able to hack it, but I guess I still have some oomph in me yet. Now to sit back and relax before heading to be--

So Fuck Florida just dropped their Monday weekend backfill update: 80.5k new cases and 332 deaths for Saturday through Monday.

Sonofabitch.

Well I guess I won't have to worry about doing a Quick Report for Monday because that pretty much says it all, eh? I'll still take a peek and maybe type something up after I wake up this evening but doubt I'll find anything as damning as that. Not sure I'll find anything positive either...I've been looking.

In closing, I'll leave you with this wonderful article...

You know, among the long list of things I take issue with regarding his fucking attitude about COVID is his notion that "it's up to the parents to decide" how they want their kid protected, because it makes it clear he still doesn't understand--or is purposely choosing not to elaborate, which is even worse--that the masks aren't for personal safety. They're primarily to keep you from spreading it to other people. So a parent choosing to allow their child to go maskless isn't "choosing what's best for their child" it's "choosing to put every other child and adult at risk". Fuck DeathSantis and Fuck Florida.

I haven't checked the Dakotas

The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally just happened in South Dakota which apparently brought 700k people together...so...I guess we'll see if they don't need those doctors themselves.

[Santti]

He's boasting he's coming back for 2024, which implies he's eligible to do as he pleases.

And you believe him, because...?

[Nastard]

And you believe him, because...?

Why would he lie? Surely if he was a liar the media would have called him out on it by now. If he was a known liar no one would ever follow him or believe what he says. The fact that he has a lot of people willing to believe him proves he can't be a liar. What you people fail to realize is that he has power and money and that kind of person doesn't need to lie to get what they want.

There, how was that impression of YUPPIE? I was worried that it was a little too over-the-top but I don't think it was over-the-top enough.

[YUPPIE]

And you believe him, because...?

he's not in prison and there hasn't been any written thing on him being permanently barred from politics

[Shadowferal]

Why would he lie? Surely if he was a liar the media would have called him out on it by now. If he was a known liar no one would ever follow him or believe what he says. The fact that he has a lot of people willing to believe him proves he can't be a liar. What you people fail to realize is that he has power and money and that kind of person doesn't need to lie to get what they want.

I'm assuming sarcasm here..

[Draco-Onis]

he's not in prison and there hasn't been any written thing on him being permanently barred from politics

He is eligible to run in 2024 but so far all he has done is use the money to fleece his supporters through fundraising.

[YUPPIE]

He is eligible to run in 2024

so what did the impeachments and insurrection lawsuits do to him negatively?

[Draco-Onis]

so what did the impeachments and insurrection lawsuits do to him negatively?

The insurrection lawsuits and other suits from New York to Georgia are still in progress, the justice system takes years to get to the point. That's not even going into the investigations in congress. Don't get me wrong I don't think Trump will go to jail the US has a proud tradition of not holding presidents accountable for anything and there's no law against him running for president from jail.

[beanman12345]

ROFL, so remember newsmax got so scared of lawsuits from Dominion they had to put retractions saying there was no election fraud? Well, they're getting sued by Dominion anyways.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=369c80d5440a

[beanman12345]

It’s been a fun morning between that and MTG getting a twitter ban for vaccine misinformation.

Oh god is that ban 3 or 4 now? I know they have a 5 strike permaban rule and she's almost there.

[Breccia]

ROFL, so remember newsmax got so scared of lawsuits from Dominion they had to put retractions saying there was no election fraud? Well, they're getting sued by Dominion anyways.

Looks like OANN is also on the hit list.

Bannon just interviewed Lindell, I linked it personally. Hopefully he's next. P.S. Can't wait to hear how that symposium is going.

EDIT: Oh, looks like Newsmax is being sued in DE state courts. Newsmax will probably win. DE corporate laws are a stain on the nation -- there's a reason all the hazardous chemical companies "live" there. And Trump. And Cosby.

[Benggaul]

Oh god is that ban 3 or 4 now? I know they have a 5 strike permaban rule and she's almost there.

Really? I was permabanned after the third time I insulted Ann Coulter. But then I didn't have the luxury of a Blue Checkmark.

Anyway, just a quick report today since Monday is always a bust in terms of accurate numbers (and we've already heard the damage in Florida):

102,375 new cases (about 23k more than last Monday); 326 deaths (about 40 more than last Monday). For a Monday, that's a pretty steep increase.

Most of the news has already been covered by @PhaelixWW and @Breccia, but I found this headline amusing:

US warns citizens against travel to France over Covid concerns

Yeeeeeah, I'd warn them about traveling to Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc.. before I'd worry about them heading to France. I'm semi-France-adjacent right now and I'm less worried about them than my countrymen traveling here for sightseeing.

Stay safe, folks.

[Omega10]

Really? I was permabanned after the third time I insulted Ann Coulter. But then I didn't have the luxury of a Blue Checkmark.

Anyway, just a quick report today since Monday is always a bust in terms of accurate numbers (and we've already heard the damage in Florida):

102,375 new cases (about 23k more than last Monday); 326 deaths (about 40 more than last Monday). For a Monday, that's a pretty steep increase.

Most of the news has already been covered by @PhaelixWW and @Breccia, but I found this headline amusing:

US warns citizens against travel to France over Covid concerns

Yeeeeeah, I'd warn them about traveling to Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc.. before I'd worry about them heading to France. I'm semi-France-adjacent right now and I'm less worried about them than my countrymen traveling here for sightseeing.

Stay safe, folks.

I saw the France headline. I smiled and shrugged. Who knows what they were thinking when they came out with that warning.

[Shadowferal]

Rand Paul seems to be a suitable replacement.

[Biglog]

I do think the hypocrisy and double-standards over "Freedom" is a major problem for conservatives and the GOP. That's something that is and will continue to hold the party back. It's a party that really doesn't stand for anything at all right now. Either you support freedom or you don't. But right now the GOP claims nationalism and freedom, the problem being it's only areas of their choosing. It's not sustainable long-term and a slippery slope. There's no logical argument that our personal freedoms should include our face but not our sexual organs, and this is why the GOP struggles to gain traction.

GOP says freedom is good:
Gun rights
Right to say no to masks
Right to say no to vaccines

GOP says freedom is bad:
LGBT rights
Immigrant rights
Right to protest

Until that changes, it's tough to even say what the GOP stands for. With most other parties that is pretty clear. They aren't pro-freedom, they aren't against government interference, they've done nothing to make government smaller. Spending on wars far exceeded any cuts. With the GOP it's a hodgepodge mess of cherry picked hate ideas that contradict their marketing. Pick something and stand for it. But understand the tradeoffs with freedom. If it's legal to keep a gun then it's legal to marry who you want. If you have the right to not get vaccinated, others have the right to smoke in their own home. It doesn't work both ways that wearing a mask is a huge personal decision, while saying at the same time you want to control what others do behind closed doors. That's the mental state a lot of entitled people have now though, and they get disappointed when it doesn't work. Anti-mask and anti-vaxx "personal freedom" litigation if it wins will make for some strong precedence on personal rights in other areas that the same people strongly oppose, which is going to be funny in a karma sort of way. A lovely fact of this world is that hate often boomerangs.

[beanman12345]

Really? I was permabanned after the third time I insulted Ann Coulter. But then I didn't have the luxury of a Blue Checkmark.

Anyway, just a quick report today since Monday is always a bust in terms of accurate numbers (and we've already heard the damage in Florida):

102,375 new cases (about 23k more than last Monday); 326 deaths (about 40 more than last Monday). For a Monday, that's a pretty steep increase.

Most of the news has already been covered by @PhaelixWW and @Breccia, but I found this headline amusing:

US warns citizens against travel to France over Covid concerns

Yeeeeeah, I'd warn them about traveling to Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc.. before I'd worry about them heading to France. I'm semi-France-adjacent right now and I'm less worried about them than my countrymen traveling here for sightseeing.

Stay safe, folks.

I think it was 5 bans specifically about covid misinformation, and she was, I think the last one was her third. I could be wrong. So I guess they will ban for different things at their discretion. Idk if even the 5 times for covid misinformation is a hard rule. I don't even use twitter, just saw an article on rawstory.

[Mihalik]

I mean, dude’s a libertarian. And a conservative one on top. Really says all you need to know about the guy pretending to understand infectious diseases.

Conservative libertarian. That's one fucking hilarious oxymoron.

[beanman12345]

Trump's influence lessens by the day.

He's having trouble even swaying actual republicans in power.

69-30 passed. something something trump is a mafia all powerful god being something from his supporter who was posting here yesterday.

[BronzeCondor]

I do think the hypocrisy and double-standards over "Freedom" is a major problem for conservatives and the GOP. That's something that is and will continue to hold the party back. It's a party that really doesn't stand for anything at all right now. Either you support freedom or you don't. But right now the GOP claims nationalism and freedom, the problem being it's only areas of their choosing. It's not sustainable long-term and a slippery slope. There's no logical argument that our personal freedoms should include our face but not our sexual organs, and this is why the GOP struggles to gain traction.

GOP says freedom is good:
Gun rights
Right to say no to masks
Right to say no to vaccines

GOP says freedom is bad:
LGBT rights
Immigrant rights
Right to protest

Until that changes, it's tough to even say what the GOP stands for. With most other parties that is pretty clear. They aren't pro-freedom, they aren't against government interference, they've done nothing to make government smaller. Spending on wars far exceeded any cuts. With the GOP it's a hodgepodge mess of cherry picked hate ideas that contradict their marketing. Pick something and stand for it. But understand the tradeoffs with freedom. If it's legal to keep a gun then it's legal to marry who you want. If you have the right to not get vaccinated, others have the right to smoke in their own home. It doesn't work both ways that wearing a mask is a huge personal decision, while saying at the same time you want to control what others do behind closed doors. That's the mental state a lot of entitled people have now though, and they get disappointed when it doesn't work. Anti-mask and anti-vaxx "personal freedom" litigation if it wins will make for some strong precedence on personal rights in other areas that the same people strongly oppose, which is going to be funny in a karma sort of way. A lovely fact of this world is that hate often boomerangs.

You're right that there's some hypocrisy that needs to be addressed. We may see it addressed as the old guard gets pushed out of the Republican party in favor of a more-inclusive America-first demographic. Conservatives certainly dislike a majority of the legacy Republican establishment hacks and want to see them go, it will happen over time. Similar to the Democrats and their transition of their Old Guard starting in the 70s when Pelosi & co were coming in.