Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

I got "hah! those are just fake CDC numbers to spread mass psychosis!!!" as a response.

Were the CDC numbers fake when Trump was in charge?

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DeSantis backs away from his threat to block the salaries of teachers/admins who put their school districts into a mask mandate.

"Oh, finally he sees the increase in cases and hospitalizations, probably deaths, is killing his own people and is changing his stance."

Kind of. He'll just sanction the school district and hope they block their own salaries.

He also called them "anti-science activists".

[Gorsameth]

Were the CDC numbers fake when Trump was in charge?

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DeSantis backs away from his threat to block the salaries of teachers/admins who put their school districts into a mask mandate.

"Oh, finally he sees the increase in cases and hospitalizations, probably deaths, is killing his own people and is changing his stance."

Kind of. He'll just sanction the school district and hope they block their own salaries.

He also called them "anti-science activists".

I expect Florida to be taken to court if they actually end up cutting funding to those school districts. I doubt he is allowed to slash they budget without legal reasons for doing so. And not liking a mask mandate is no legal reason since its fully within the rights of schools to issue them (further supported by the SC refusing to hear the case on University mandatory vaccinations)

[Breccia]

I expect Florida to be taken to court if they actually end up cutting funding to those school districts. I doubt he is allowed to slash they budget without legal reasons for doing so.

It's going to be a race. Which happens first?

1) Florida's various school districts suing DeSantis for his anti-mask-mandate, or
2) Red districts become sick and start dying, and DeSantis removes it himself

I believe (nonexpert opinion) that DeSantis actually can block funding to a govt program that ignores his executive orders, meaning the status quo (they don't get paid) will last until the court's ruling. What can/should happen is some kind of penalty to DeSantis personally, not Florida's taxpayer dollars, because it's DeSantis doing this not Florida the State of Chaos.

[s_bushido]

What can/should happen is some kind of penalty to DeSantis personally, not Florida's taxpayer dollars, because it's DeSantis doing this not Florida the State of Chaos.

I regret to inform you that we don't live in the branch of the multiverse in which Republican politicians are held accountable for knowingly endangering the lives of their constituents.

[Kaleredar]

It's going to be a race. Which happens first?

1) Florida's various school districts suing DeSantis for his anti-mask-mandate, or
2) Red districts become sick and start dying, and DeSantis removes it himself

I believe (nonexpert opinion) that DeSantis actually can block funding to a govt program that ignores his executive orders, meaning the status quo (they don't get paid) will last until the court's ruling. What can/should happen is some kind of penalty to DeSantis personally, not Florida's taxpayer dollars, because it's DeSantis doing this not Florida the State of Chaos.

I really doubt that Red school districts having a higher infection rate will goad desantis into doing anything. His entire state has among the highest infection rates and has the highest new number of Covid cases, period, and he doesn’t seem to care about the optics.

[Breccia]

I really doubt that Red school districts having a higher infection rate will goad desantis into doing anything.

I believe it has. It's goaded him into hiding the death numbers. That's why I'm expecting local school districts to know and react when people they know and can physically point to, not just some abstract number they can pretend doesn't represent them, get sick, go to the hospital, and die.

Now, if that somehow magically doesn't happen, great. I don't think that's realistic, but I wouldn't mind a lower body count than Florida seems to be begging for.

But if, say...uh, Monroe school district, currently displaying the form to opt out of a mask mandate on their home page, yes it's available in Spanish, yes that's funny, they have 5,000 students and 300 teachers, 16:1 students per classroom, all of those figures are rounded. A single classroom gets quarantined, that's the same 0.3% we've been talking about so much.

But what are the odds it's a single classroom, and nobody else?

In a group of 300 teachers, if one dies, everyone will know. And that should be enough for there to be pushback.

Should. I fear we'll find out soon enough.

[Kaleredar]

I believe it has. It's goaded him into hiding the death numbers. That's why I'm expecting local school districts to know and react when people they know and can physically point to, not just some abstract number they can pretend doesn't represent them, get sick, go to the hospital, and die.

Now, if that somehow magically doesn't happen, great. I don't think that's realistic, but I wouldn't mind a lower body count than Florida seems to be begging for.

But if, say...uh, Monroe school district, currently displaying the form to opt out of a mask mandate on their home page, yes it's available in Spanish, yes that's funny, they have 5,000 students and 300 teachers, 16:1 students per classroom, all of those figures are rounded. A single classroom gets quarantined, that's the same 0.3% we've been talking about so much.

But what are the odds it's a single classroom, and nobody else?

In a group of 300 teachers, if one dies, everyone will know. And that should be enough for there to be pushback.

Should. I fear we'll find out soon enough.

Like you said, they just covered up the numbers. Desantis (or perhaps more specifically, various right-wing news outlets) simply won’t report teacher and student illness/deaths.

The GOP has for a while now, and especially with Covid, been a party of “pretend it didn’t happen and you face no consequences.”

And like I said, it’s obvious desantis is bungling this Covid thing and has been from the start. The number of Covid cases in Florida would be an absolute embarrassment if they weren’t so tragic. But he just doesn’t care.

[Biglog]

The fact that there are actually cultists still believing in the fantasy "reinstatement" dates is mind blowing. Whoever is telling those people that it will happen has already been wrong at least 3 previous times, where they predicted dates and NOTHING happened. Nothing will happen. Most rational people understand this. Common sense says if a person has given me information that turned out to be completely false 3 times, maybe I should think twice about believing them the next time. But not Trumpers.

But that is the issue. Trump created a niche cult that is so eager to buy into his white supremacy that they turn a blind eye to reason. Just like Kim in North Korea, the goal of a dictator is blind obedience. If the dear leader says the sky is not blue, it is not blue. If he says down is up, down is up. And this is the mindset Trump followers are in. From the direction to disregard science with the covid vaccine and masks, to placing blame for Trump's mistakes on his fall guys like Dr. Fauci, to making threats to his enemies, it's deify him and believe only what he says even if it defies logic. Even if you are lied to by the same source over and over such as with these nonsense reinstatement theories, just believe the next date when another one passes and nothing happens.

Trump lost by a wide margin. The GOP asked for and had many monitors at every polling site checking for fraud, none was found during voting. Days BEFORE the election Trump said he would fight it in court if he lost, admitting he would claim fraud before the election even took place showing it was always about ensuring his victory and never about any real election fraud. Votes were counted and recounted and found accurate. All claims of fraud were found to be baseless and were started on nonsense reports that fell apart on any fact checking. They lost over 50 times in court. The results were certified despite the insurrection attempt. The Arizona GOP then angry like a child that Trump lost, decided they wanted to try to change the results and started their show audit after Arizona said the election's over, was certified, checked many times. Arizona said if you want to look at them more you can but it's over, Biden won. So the AZ GOP took them and fabricated a story about finding fraud to pander to their base, fueling their false conspiracy theories. As long as the cultists believe up is down and are obedient as they are told, the Arizona GOP knows they don't need to produce actual proof of fraud that passes any fact checking.

[swiftowner]

1) Palm Beach County school district has 400 students in quarantine and 50 cases.

Oh that’s not that bad, a local school district here in Indiana posted yesterday 61 positive students and 630 in quarantine after 9 days of school…

"How long has school been open?"

Two days.

"No, really."

Two days.

Holy shit, that’s bad.

[Katchii]

3) It's time again for Guess the Speaker!



"A Trump supporter trying to handwave red states' hospitals packed to capacity and claiming it isn't COVID but somehow a massive coincidence."

It's MTG.

I particularly like "we can't live forever" because I could use the same line, with equal psychotic indifference and equally ineffective justification, if I, hypothetically of course, pull the last four MMO-C posters banned for being serial trolls and shot them in the back of the head. I would never do that. But if I did, "we can't live forever" is no defense and no excuse. Neither is it for people who refuse to get vaccinated or wear masks, screaming about microchips or MUH FREEDUMB and then die literally choking on their words.

*BLAM* *chk-chk*

I wish she'd lead by example here.

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But that is the issue. Trump created a niche cult that is so eager to buy into his white supremacy that they turn a blind eye to reason.

Trump didn't create these idiots, they've always been there, they were just attached to some other bullshit.

Trump is not the cause of any of this, he's a symptom (probably the biggest and most obvious one) of a much larger problem.

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Oh that’s not that bad, a local school district here in Indiana posted yesterday 61 positive students and 630 in quarantine after 9 days of school…



Holy shit, that’s bad.

We have a charter school here in Southern California that's not required to follow the district mask mandate.

We got word yesterday (the second day of school) that they already had cases of students with COVID. And I only know this because we know one of the people with COVID (family of anti-COVID vaccine, Fauci's an idiot, anti-masking Trump supporters), the actual numbers haven't been reported yet. Not sure if they ever will as Im not sure if they were doing contact tracing or not.

"COVID cases at a school filled with anti-masking idiots who likely aren't vaccinated!?"

You can imagine my *shocked Pikachu face* when I heard.

[Benggaul]

Thursday's report:

143,537 new cases; about 15.5k more than last Thursday.

Top 10:

Fuck Florida (again around 25k new record).
Texas: 14,182 new cases; 140 deaths
California: 12,063 new cases; 58 deaths
Georgia: 7,016 new cases; 35 deaths
North Carolina: 5,900 new cases; 16 deaths
Tennessee: 5,507 new cases; 20 deaths
Louisiana: 5,287 new cases; 54 deaths
New York: 5,040 new cases; 28 deaths
Mississippi: 4,412 new cases; 20 deaths
Missouri: 3,580 new cases; still not reporting deaths

The numbers for Florida have been fluctuating the past few days, presumably because they're still playing footsie with the CDC. Their previous near-25k total this week has vanished, but, Florida being Florida, they quickly put up those numbers again Thursday. They're being dishonest as fuck about their deaths still, only posting 18 for Thursday. The rest of the list hasn't shuffled around all that much, but there are now 22 states with over 2k totals; 32 with over 1k. Florida has the second-highest cases per 100k at 98.6--which is a lot, considering. Louisiana currently holds the top spot with 121.8, which is abysmal. As far as infection rate goes...well, Kristi Noem better make sure she has enough ICU beds in South Dakota. Especially since she's letting a couple superspreader events go on now.

660 deaths is about 100 more than last Thursday and brings the total to 636,298. Still putting Florida on top because they're lying, but Texas might have the legitimate top spot today with 140 and California in third with less than half that.

Related news:

Supreme Court declines request by Indiana University students to block COVID-19 vaccine mandate--Good shit, and might help counteract DeathSantis' bullshit. Abbott probably doesn't need any help fucking up.

Four teachers from Florida county died from COVID-19 in last two days--You were saying, @Breccia? (EDIT: Yes, I know this couldn't possibly have been the result of school being open for two days, but it will likely still set things off.)

Texas officials scramble to staff hospitals as Covid-19 surge continues--Masters of their domain.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

Four teachers from Florida county died from COVID-19 in last two days--You were saying, @Breccia? (EDIT: Yes, I know this couldn't possibly have been the result of school being open for two days, but it will likely still set things off.)

Oh jeez. And I can't imagine people are sprinting over there to take their places.

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Like you said, they just covered up the numbers. Desantis (or perhaps more specifically, various right-wing news outlets) simply won’t report teacher and student illness/deaths.

Oh, I agree.

But the people in that school district will still know, and hopefully act accordingly. If enough red school districts buck the anti-mandate, the blue ones will be allowed to as well.

[Benggaul]

I forgot to mention that Barrett was the one who rejected the appeal out of Indiana:

Justice Barrett rejects Indiana University students' COVID vaccine mandate appeal

So I was more than a little surprised.

[Poopymonster]

I forgot to mention that Barrett was the one who rejected the appeal out of Indiana:

Justice Barrett rejects Indiana University students' COVID vaccine mandate appeal

So I was more than a little surprised.

It's settled already, under Jacobson V Mass from 1905. And with many other rulings using that as precedent, overturning it would lead to the legal equivalent of a 7 weasel orgy in a gopher hole.

[wunksta]

He later claimed it was “Anifa,” but gave no details.

Mike Lindell and not providing details, name a more iconic duo.

Also this screenshot cracks me up

“We have every packet capture and all the data from the whole election for the 2020 November 3rd election,” said Lindell.

When Alderson received Lindell’s data on Wednesday morning, he said it didn’t add up.

“But every person who came specifically looking for those p-caps was very disappointed. Some were somewhat angry,” said Alderson.

https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2021/0...million-award/

[Edge-]

Mike Lindell and not providing details, name a more iconic duo.

Also this screenshot cracks me up


https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2021/0...million-award/

Uh...if Lindell does have all the election data that'd be like, super duper mega ultra illegal.

[PhaelixWW]

Once again, it's time to play Guess the Speaker!

No.

Wow, okay. I admit, this is a tough one without context, but believe it or not, this quote is actually brought to you by www.IsTrumpPresident.com, which is in turn brought to you by the folks at The Lincoln Project.

Happy Friday the 13th of August.

That is all.

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No, wait, there's more: Suck eggs, Mike Lindell!

Okay, carry on.

[Hollycakes]

www.IsTrumpPresident.com

My fav part of this is you just know how much stuff like this eats Trump up.
Like Alec's impression of him or when he sued Maher over the orangutan being his mother joke.
I mean he did produce his birth certificate after the fact to prove he is NOT the product of orangutans since Bill said he'd pay(this was around the Obama birther stupidity).
That kind of thing just shows how much he pays attention. He'll tweet 40 times about something he says he doesn't watch and that he says is terrible so for sure he's seen this lol.

[PhaelixWW]

That kind of thing just shows how much he pays attention. He'll tweet 40 times about something...

Not anymore, he won't.

[Santti]

Not anymore, he won't.

He'll make a better twitter! With underage girls, big macs and diet coke! In fact, forget the Twitter.