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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    That was my contention that started this line of discussion: he's likely not actually broke (or at least, in immediate danger of losing everything as he was before) after the stop the steal scam.
    That kinda depends on how in debt he is. If that $200M doesn't cover his debts it's not like he's actually flush in cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    I've also never had to suck up to a sociopath or his psychotic followers.
    See, that's the problem with allowing the Republican Party to become the Party of Trump. I'll keep spinning this broken record until it stops playing, but the GOP had their chance to stop this, multiple times. And we don't see any active Republican doing such -- only the retiring/retired ones. Boehner had his chance, for example, and now he's writing the "I was the only sane voice just like fifty other people" book.

    Gaetz is active. His choices are to cling to the Party of Trump, or fail. Of course, he didn't just cling, he grabbed it by the pussy, so maybe not the best example. Until Trump rejects him, in which case, it's popcorn time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I feel for Whitmer. She’s dammed if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
    Yeah, the amount of "how DARE you try to protect me from my own stupidity!" seems extra high in that state. I would say it's personal bias because I know people there, but @Benggaul has proven it's not just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    See, that's the problem with allowing the Republican Party to become the Party of Trump. I'll keep spinning this broken record until it stops playing, but the GOP had their chance to stop this, multiple times. And we don't see any active Republican doing such -- only the retiring/retired ones. Boehner had his chance, for example, and now he's writing the "I was the only sane voice just like fifty other people" book.

    Gaetz is active. His choices are to cling to the Party of Trump, or fail. Of course, he didn't just cling, he grabbed it by the pussy, so maybe not the best example. Until Trump rejects him, in which case, it's popcorn time.



    Yeah, the amount of "how DARE you try to protect me from my own stupidity!" seems extra high in that state. I would say it's personal bias because I know people there, but @Benggaul has proven it's not just me.
    I'm still waiting to see how Gaetz's daddy is going to save him from this one. I know he's already backing up the claims of extortion, but the extortion only indicates that this investigation is something Gaetz's dad would pay a shit ton of money to keep from happening... Not really a great look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That kinda depends on how in debt he is. If that $200M doesn't cover his debts it's not like he's actually flush in cash.
    I say contention, but I couched it in different terms, with much less certainty. Paraphrasing, "I'm not so sure he's dead broke after that scam." I have a feeling a lot is going to depend on the NY investigation into tax/bank fraud, as far as his solvency goes.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I feel for Whitmer. She’s dammed if she does and damned if she doesn’t. Her constituents stormed the capital last time she tried to protect them.

    Personally, as a Floridian, I’m ok with letting people who think this is a hoax and tried to destroy the country, to be exposed to the virus.
    The only problem is that their stupidity can infect others who can’t get the vaccine or, if enough people refuse to get vaccinated, create a vector in which a new virus mutates that’s immune to the vaccines we currently have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    And I'm pretty sure, even if you found any of those, they'd be a half-hearted "both sides do it" attempt to compare events different by orders of magnitude. For example, maybe you'll find the time Biden erred way too far on the side of caution and suggested one sneeze could infect a whole plane. Well, gosh, hasn't COVID shown us that Biden's factually incorrect statement was still the safer move than Trump's push for packed crhuches in Easter.

    So, don't bother hunting through old files to find the time Vice-President Biden pardoned war criminals (yeah, good luck with that one) or anything else you "vaguely remember". There's four years plus of context waiting with whack-a-mole mallets to beat any attempt at "both sides do it" into the ground until it's bleeding from both ears and probably the ass, depending on which end of the mallet I feel like using.

    You're not the first to try "both sides do it" and comparing a jaywalker to a serial killer. You won't be the last.

    P.S. I'm going to add "defended literal torch-carrying Nazis" to @Kaleredar 's list. And, in fact, I'm going to ask you to start with that one. Because honestly, any attempt to say Trump and Biden have "the exact same policies" then you're going to have to start with the extremes. When the villain says to the hero "we're almost the same, you and I" it is not followed with "we're both carbon-based life forms and are 70% water".

    So start with the Nazis. Take 24 hours. Take a week. Take a month. Thing is, I already know where you're going, and it's "jaywalker vs. mass murderer". The mallet is raised, go ahead, stick your head up through the hole.
    I think you @‘ed the wrong person, as I don’t recall defending torch carrying nazis or supporting anyone like trump that did.
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    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The only problem is that their stupidity can infect others who can’t get the vaccine or, if enough people refuse to get vaccinated, create a vector in which a new virus mutates that’s immune to the vaccines we currently have.
    Yeah, and then we'll be stuck getting new vaccines to protect ourselves from the morons who refuse to get vaccinated. Add in never ending lockdowns and these morons really need to be segregated from the general populace at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I think you @‘ed the wrong person, as I don’t recall defending torch carrying nazis or supporting anyone like trump that did.
    No, the person I was quoting was the target. I was just dog piling. Sorry that it wasn't clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The only problem is that their stupidity can infect others who can’t get the vaccine or, if enough people refuse to get vaccinated, create a vector in which a new virus mutates that’s immune to the vaccines we currently have.
    I'm of the belief that getting covid at this point in time is mostly (read: not 100%) a person's own fault. We are at the point that if you wear a mask and socially distance and don't make absurd choices you'll likely not get it. If there's a person that refuses to wear a mask and refuses to get the vaccine, then there's nothing left for me to care about with them as a person. I can't force them to do any of it, so the best I can hope for, is that they get it and remove themselves from the gene pool. I want herd immunity from stupidity as much as possible and as quickly as possible.

    I can't stop it from mutating, but it would have to be a pretty significant mutation at this point to render the vaccines useless, if I understand the science behind the vaccine (which I'll admit I may not.)
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/trum...ate-award.html



    Feel like this may have been covered but...is anyone else amused that Republicans literally gave Trump a participation trophy?

  10. #72250
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I feel for Whitmer. She’s dammed if she does and damned if she doesn’t. Her constituents stormed the capital last time she tried to protect them.
    I had that same sentiment a few weeks ago, but it's gone on long enough and the spikes are way out of control.

    If the idiots only got themselves harmed maybe I'd still be feeling charitable, but at some point you have to take charge--again--and be the adult in the room when the children are destroying the entire class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I had that same sentiment a few weeks ago, but it's gone on long enough and the spikes are way out of control.

    If the idiots only got themselves harmed maybe I'd still be feeling charitable, but at some point you have to take charge--again--and be the adult in the room when the children are destroying the entire class.
    But again, they will literally destroy the class room another way and have already shown that. She's forced to choose between them violently storming the capital again and people literally choosing to get covid. There's a vaccine and effective safety measures to protect yourself from covid....less so a violent insurrection.
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  12. #72252
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    But again, they will literally destroy the class room another way and have already shown that. She's forced to choose between them violently storming the capital again and people literally choosing to get covid. There's a vaccine and effective safety measures to protect yourself from covid....less so a violent insurrection.
    The safety measures are to protect others as much as they are for yourself and as robust as Biden's vaccine rollout has been there are still many millions of people who do not yet have access. In high-population states/areas that means the safety measures need to be enforced. Throwing your hands up and saying "welp, stupid people would still be stupid if I did my job" isn't an option when you're governor. Relaxing those measures was a dumb move and refusing to do anything further to correct that mistake is doubly dumb.

  13. #72253
    We're never going to get through Covid.

    Poll shows vast majority of Republicans trust Trump for medical advice over CDC, Biden and Fauci

    Republicans were also the least likely of any respondents to say they will get vaccinated when they become eligible to receive the Covid-19 vaccine, with 40 percent saying they will not get the shot.

  14. #72254
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    And even that's questionable - https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-think...ession-1577046

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/stat...79118406320129

    "Trump didn't actually mean it when he told us to get vaccinated!"

    I'm like, not gonna be sad if Republicans self-select themselves out of reality and literally kill the parties chances of electability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And even that's questionable - https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-think...ession-1577046

    https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/stat...79118406320129

    "Trump didn't actually mean it when he told us to get vaccinated!"

    I'm like, not gonna be sad if Republicans self-select themselves out of reality and literally kill the parties chances of electability.
    The problem is though they're going to make it harder for the sane more responsible people to get back to normal life. Republicans spent 4+ years saying they will make America great again, of course they meant a time when racism flourished more so than it is now, but I think getting life back to normal before Covid would help America be great again and the Republicans are the ones standing in the way of that, they are literally making America worse.

  16. #72256
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...inst-rep-clyde

    Republicans keep avoiding metal detectors. Rep. Clyde, who has done it twice, appealed the total $15K in fines ($5K for the first, $10K for the second) and lost. Thankfully, the $15K comes out of his pay and he can't crowdfund the fine from his donors.

  17. #72257
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...inst-rep-clyde

    Republicans keep avoiding metal detectors. Rep. Clyde, who has done it twice, appealed the total $15K in fines ($5K for the first, $10K for the second) and lost. Thankfully, the $15K comes out of his pay and he can't crowdfund the fine from his donors.
    It's just more of the "rules for thee, not me" crowd of Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    It's just more of the "rules for thee, not me" crowd of Republicans.
    Hey, I'm fine with it. If these guys wanna spend their entire salaries on fines for avoiding a simple metal detector, have at it.

    I guess some may be worried their 10 inch knives may be discovered so they can't threaten the Speaker just off the House floor by holding a knife to their throat?

  19. #72259
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    The safety measures are to protect others as much as they are for yourself and as robust as Biden's vaccine rollout has been there are still many millions of people who do not yet have access. In high-population states/areas that means the safety measures need to be enforced. Throwing your hands up and saying "welp, stupid people would still be stupid if I did my job" isn't an option when you're governor. Relaxing those measures was a dumb move and refusing to do anything further to correct that mistake is doubly dumb.
    That's vastly oversimplifying the response if she closed things down. There are measures each individual can take without a mandate in terms of covid that will more than likely protect them. If a person refuses to take those measures, we can still protect ourselves from them, by wearing masks and social distancing. A violent attempted overthrow of the state government is another matter entirely, which is where they are headed if she does anything else. Its a shitty, shitty position and is nowhere near as binary as you're making it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    A violent attempted overthrow of the state government is another matter entirely, which is where they are headed if she does anything else.
    I mean...it was being actively planned, including plans to either occupy the Capitol building and kill officials as well as a plan to kidnap Whitmer.

    She shouldn't be afraid of these petty wannabe authoritarians. Lock them all up as they out themselves and call it a day.

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