Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...ners/100419234

Powell walks off an interview when asked about basic facts like, "Why do you think Smartmatic owns Dominion when that simply isn't a fact?"

Returns

Promises "we'll show the evidence", and that there's a national conspiracy from the local election level to the highest levels of the DoJ to steal the election.

Lots of "They", and after many years of this we still don't have the foggiest clue who "they" actually are.

[Breccia]

Promises "we'll show the evidence", and that there's a national conspiracy from the local election level to the highest levels of the DoJ to steal the election.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel some days.

1) Didn't Powell already go to court multiple times, therefore suggesting she already had evidence?
2) "we'll show the evidence" I mean, there was a reporter right there. Seemed like a good time.
3) Didn't Powell use "nobody should take me seriously" as a defense? In other words, didn't she waive any right to show evidence, by saying under oath she was making shit up?
4) The idea that there was a national conspiracy involving the election officials of multiple red states that somehow had no leakers seems beyond unrealistic, as in "see reason #3"
5) And of course the big one, why would anyone in Powell's position go on an interview with a hostile or even neutral media outlet? She had to know questions like "can you back up your claims" would be pretty standard in even an unbiased journalist.

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The Murderous Insurrection Panel inches closer to saying in public "we want the records of any Republicans who helped put the Stop the Steal rally together, because we need to know if they were in on it".

The public claim is "We are just gathering information at this point, and these unnamed elected officials who were promoting this rally might have sone".

The implication is "We're getting your phone records, your email, and your social media contacts, so this would be a great time to decide if you want to spend more time with your family. We're even checking 4chan, that's how serious we are"

And even as the Methinks He Doth Protest Too Much begins, I'l remind everyone everyone in the Party of Trump how much of a push was made for Clinton's emails, which as we all know were wiped like with a cloth, and how many times Clinton was dragged before the Benghazi hearings. And I also won't buy "How DARE you assume I was part of the murderous insurrection!" from anyone organizing and speaking at the rally whose goal was to overturn the election based on zero evidence other than Trump didn't win. They're probably not guilty (honestly, maybe one or two were tangentally involved, but these guys wouldn't be stupid enough to send a txt message "Hey Bob, how's that murderous insurrection we're planning going? Later Jersey Mikes") but they've burned enough credibility that they should absolutely be treated as suspects. Maybe next time they won't call for outright treason in public -- or at least get the evidence first.

It is highly likely, duh, that any Republican whose records are being seized wil protest. And I might need @cubby or for that matter anyone else knowledgeable on the subject, but...I think, for example, your gmails techinically belong to Google, not you. If Google tells Congress "here are those records you asked for" I don't know what the Republicans can do about it. Other than hope they weren't sending dic pics in (ahem) compressed format.

[Breccia]

isn’t it weird how Gym Jordan suddenly remembers how many calls he had with Trump on Jan 6?

I'd love for the conversation to be both under oath and on camera.

"Okay I called Trump, but I don't remember what I said."
"As it turns out, we have the transcripts. Would you care to read them?"
"...not really, no."

Also I'm not sure about this raw story. Apparently five days ago Roger Stone was banned from GETTR, but nobody noticed because he complained on Gab. I can't find any major news source on this, and fucked if I'm opening either GETTR or Gab to check personally.

If you were under the illusion that the new social media website GETTR set up by Mueller informant Steve Bannon and his criminal confederate Jason Miller does not engage in censorship perhaps you can explain why they just suspended my account. Bannon is a criminal whose indictment for stealing money will be renewed shortly in New York State. I hear the New York state prisons are particularly rough. Once Bannon is in prison Miller won't last week on the street.

-- supposedly Roger Stone

Hmm? Bannon and New York State? Is that a thing?

(checks news)

Hmm. I have We Build The Wall is broke, that's not it, but it is funny enough to quote.

“It might be expensive and few of us have the assets right now to cover a retainer,” Kobach said. “So we are willing to let counsel step aside but we would like a fairly generous bit of time to find local counsel and also perhaps have a picture of what it involves.”

Crane rejected that plea, saying “This case just keeps getting delayed and delayed; 90 days seems like a long time.” The judge added, “Finding a lawyer I don’t think is a big problem. I think finding a lawyer who is willing to risk not getting paid is probably the issue here.”

Kobach is general counsel for We Build The Wall. Somehow, I imagine he was paid just fine. Also if he's general counsel shouldn't he be doing the work? What better use of his time than to act as their lawyer in court, when he's their lawyer? I have to admit, "we're too broke to fight a lawsuit" is an interesting defense, and probably stupid, since you'd have to submit your finances under oath to prove it.

Or, they could hire Giuliani. I understand he works without being paid all the time.

But that wasn't about Bannon or NYState. Lemme keep looking.

(checks again)

I have NYState goes after Ken Kurson, former New York Observer editor pardoned by Trump on Trump's last day of office, for cyberstalking.

Kurson used multiple aliases to file false complaints about two of the victims with their employer, post false negative reviews about one victim's professional conduct on crowd-sourced review websites and made unsolicited contact with two of the victims.

If Kurson's name sounds familiar, it's probably that pardon, or the fact that the New York Observer was owned by Kushner.

That story seems to have come up because Trump also pardoned Bannon for federal fraud for We Build The Wall...huh...full circle there. But that's still not it.

(keeps checking)

Ah, there it is. It's an older code, but it checks out. Apparently there's been an investigation since, like, February or March or something. Bannon and his GoFundMe account have apparently already been subpoena'd. And apparently, the federal AGs might not be able to bring charges due to a federal pardon, but nothing stops them from handing evidence directly to NY with stickers of smiley faces on the good pages.

I can't find anything that says the case has been dropped. I can find a late May article where a federal judge in a now-dismissed federal case (pardon) said Bannon took $1 million from the GoFundYourself and kept it for himself. I don't want to judge by appearances, except for fatass Trump who now needs a backhoe to get off the toilet, but I don't get the impression Bannon did much manual labor putting the Wall together, which means his expenses, to be justified, will need to come from some other specific, direct application of skill -- or else just be standard criminal fraud.

"He could have been the group's fundraiser."

Yeah the group just admitted they're broke. You don't pay someone $1 million to raise funds, go broke, and do nothing about it. Well, not if you're honest. Also Bannon himself called We Build The Wall a volunteer organization, so taking a million for any reason would be a problem.

Bannon can repay the money, but there's the issue with prison time. In federal court, the charges he faced but Trump pardoned could have been 20 years in federal prison. Now he faces New York prisons. Huh. I wonder how rough those are.

[Fugus]

@Endus

I forget but I think it was you who posted this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVkJvieaOA

If so, thank you, we really need to start posting it every time people start interacting with the pigeons.

[postman1782]

@Breccia isn’t it weird how Gym Jordan suddenly remembers how many calls he had with Trump on Jan 6? And when… I wonder what jogged his memory.

It is probably because of this: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/202...l-involvement/

These same organizers have also admitted on January 8th that they worked with 3 congressional representatives. He met with Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar, and Mo Brooks. Not surprising they are all trying to do anything they can to stop the investigation into them.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...dc/6603721002/

[postman1782]

It’s because the commission is about to have those records and reveal the info. He’s trying to get ahead of them.

Hopefully it doesn't help him, or those other 3. Because they all deserve to be in fucking prison. Will they go there? Probably not.

[DarkTZeratul]

The full list of Republicans they’re seeking records of is fun. Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jim Jordan, Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Madison Cawthorn, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Jody Hice, and Scott Perry. Per Kyle Griffin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriff...43640597204997

Not Rand Paul, huh? Guess he's just a regular idiot, not a seditionist one.

[Breccia]

Heh.

It seems the right is trying the tactic "Biden is driving the world towards nuclear war" probably because, well, they're out of legitimate gripes.

The opinion page in question basically yells "But North Korea!" and then cites a bunch of...Hollywood movies.

They also mention the Doomsday Clock, which is the real reason I'm posting here. The current setting, 100 seconds to midnight, was set Jan 27th. Because COVID. It has not moved since.

Well, that's not true. It didn't change Jan 27th, it stayed the same Jan 27th. It changed three times in Trump's tenure, each time Trump was cited by name, and because of his actions we're now closer to midnight than the Doomsday Clock has ever been -- and that includes the Reagan years. And before anyone says anything, it dropped twice in Obama's tenure but those were climate concerns globally -- which Obama was trying to prevent.

It's not exactly Godwin's Law, but if you are left with "But Mad Max!" and blame someone objectively not at fault, it might be time to realize you've picked the wrong side.

[Endus]

@Endus

I forget but I think it was you who posted this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVkJvieaOA

If so, thank you, we really need to start posting it every time people start interacting with the pigeons.

I probably wasn't the first because they've been putting out new videos every month or two for a while now in that series, but I did post one earlier today.

While that particular video was particularly relevant where I dropped it, the others in the series are all really solid.

[Benggaul]

Capitol riot defender reportedly has Covid, bringing cases to a standstill, DOJ says

*Long take to camera*

[Shadowferal]

The term is Libertarian. Be nice.

That's the pc term...as in pc2

[DarkTZeratul]

Heh.

It seems the right is trying the tactic "Biden is driving the world towards nuclear war" probably because, well, they're out of legitimate gripes.

I saw that headline earlier, and my first thought was "this sounds like a load of crap." Then I read it, and noted it was curiously devoid of any specifics on anything Biden had actually done, or how we're any closer than the general state of "some countries are a bit uppity" that we've been in for the last twenty years, and said "this is definitely a load of crap."

[Breccia]

*Long take to camera*

"What a pisser."

For all the "this disease isn't real, it's a distraction from Biden's failures" I've seen on consocial media, it sure seems to be helpful if, say, you don't want to go to jail for murderous insurrections or don't want to show Arizona you found no fraud.

[cubby]

It is highly likely, duh, that any Republican whose records are being seized wil protest. And I might need @cubby or for that matter anyone else knowledgeable on the subject, but...I think, for example, your gmails techinically belong to Google, not you. If Google tells Congress "here are those records you asked for" I don't know what the Republicans can do about it. Other than hope they weren't sending dic pics in (ahem) compressed format.

Google technically does own those emails - and if ask, or more accurately, subpoenaed by a lawful body, they will turn them over. The issue will be resolved in the court system, and unfortunately we'll be seeing the GOtrumP fighting to hide them while the 2022 election possibly turns the House over to them - at which point the Committee will be terminated.

I want to be optimistic here, but I can't, given the whordes of people who still back the Murderous Insurrection and continue to pump horse medication into their bodies while decrying...oh fuck it, I could go on and on. Suffice it to say I don't see a happy ending here.

[Breccia]

Guilty.

A college student from West Virginia who was seen taking a “Members Only” sign near the Senate chambers after entering the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 with supporters of former President Donald Trump pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count Monday.

Name Withheld of Hurricane, West Virginia, entered the plea by conference call before a federal judge in Washington, D.C., to a charge of knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds. Other charges were dismissed in a plea agreement with prosecutors, including one count of theft of government property under $1,000.

She faces up to six months in prison and a $9,500 fine. Sentencing was set for Nov. 16. She remains free on a personal recognizance bond.

Name Withheld, a mathematical economics major

*gags*

at the University of Kentucky, initially bragged that the occupation of the Capitol was making “history” and said she thought “it was cool,” according to an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint and arrest warrant. Later, she deleted her Instagram account.

Name Withheld, who was 23 when she was charged, was inside the Capitol for 24 minutes, prosecutors said. According to the affidavit, a witness who saw a video of Name Withheld in the Capitol messaged her on Instagram asking if she was there. The witness provided a screenshot of the messages to the FBI.

The witness expressed embarrassment after Name Withheld admitted she went inside, according to the FBI. Name Withheld allegedly wrote, “I’m not embarrassed so you shouldn’t be.”

When the witness accused her of treason, Name Withheld said she did not know what treason was, according to the affidavit. Before Name Withheld deleted her Instagram account, she wrote, “Infamy is just as good as fame. Either way I end up more known. XOXO.”

Serving time in a federal prison to troll the libs. Oh, and she's being kicked out of school. I'm sure it was worth it. Well, it's a misdemeanor now, she's getting of whitely.

[Benggaul]

Monday's quickie report:

119,642 new cases (slightly more than last week); 569 deaths (Florida didn't report any), bringing the total to 656,393. I've read that hospitalizations are going down in some areas of Florida, so maybe they're finally through the worst of it, not that we'll ever know the true impact COVID has had there. Fuck Florida.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

Fuck Florida.

Hospitalizations 16,000+ is about the same as two weeks ago. Deaths: 262

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Since Friday a judge struck down DeSantis mask ban ban -- did we post that? I think that would have made the list -- more than half of Florida students now attend a district with a mask ban.

It's 10 districts, two more just got added, but those include the largest districts in the state.

It's also worth noting that Biden announced an investigation into mask ban ban states on the grounds of that's stupid suicidal bullshit, but that investigation won't include states where the mask ban ban was blocked by a court. DeSantis has promised to appeal but that hasn't happened yet, so right now, the most dangerous state in the country is getting a much-unneeded break.

[s_bushido]

DeSantis has promised to appeal but that hasn't happened yet, so right now, the most dangerous state in the country is getting a much-unneeded break.

Don't worry, there's a tropical system forming off the coast of Africa that might have Florida in its sights. We've been fortunate with hurricane season so far, but there's no guarantee that luck lasts...

[Breccia]

I think you meant they attend school in districts with mask mandates, not bans.

Dammit, yep, I screwed that up.

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Hospitalizations 16,000+ is about the same as two weeks ago. Deaths: 262

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Since Friday a judge struck down DeSantis mask ban ban -- did we post that? I think that would have made the list -- more than half of Florida students now attend a district with a mask ban ban -- or a mask mandate.

It's 10 districts, two more just got added, but those include the largest districts in the state.

It's also worth noting that Biden announced an investigation into mask ban ban states on the grounds of that's stupid suicidal bullshit, but that investigation won't include states where the mask ban ban was blocked by a court. DeSantis has promised to appeal but that hasn't happened yet, so right now, the most dangerous state in the country is getting a much-unneeded break.

(EDIT: Thanks Scoobs, screwed up the double negative)

[cubby]

Former President Donald Trump’s political fundraising operation reported paying more than $4.3 million since the start of the 2020 election cycle to individuals and firms that organized the Jan. 6 rally that preceded the attack on the Capitol, according to a report published Monday by the government watchdog OpenSecrets.

The full extent of the Trump-linked funding and organizational support for the Jan. 6 rally is not yet fully known, but the report reveals a powerful push funded by Trump backers to deny the results of the presidential election. And more may be discovered soon as the House select committee investigating the Capitol insurrection begins a deep dive to uncover the players behind the day’s events, their activities and those who funded them.

Whoops.

And yet, I doubt Trump will ever see justice for what he's done to this country. And what he will continue to do.