Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Thursday's report:

177,568 new cases; about 3k fewer than last week.

Top 10:

Fuck Florida.
Texas: 26,667 new cases; 314 deaths
California: 11,446 new cases; 144 deaths
Georgia: 8,412 new cases; 136 deaths
North Carolina: 7,901 new cases; 96 deaths
Ohio: 7,087 new cases; 20 deaths (according to NYT--worldometers hasn't had daily death totals from them for a while)
New York: 5,751 new cases; 48 deaths
South Carolina: 5,523 new cases; 59 deaths
Kentucky: 5,432 new cases; 45 deaths
Indiana: 5,152 new cases; 25 deaths

Everyone's already been doing a thorough job of detailing what's going on with Florida, so there's no point in me belaboring the point. Fuck Florida. Texas' numbers continue to rise and no, I will never let it go that Abbott claimed Texas had mastered the pandemic. Much like with Florida I doubt it will translate into anything changing come election day because people's memories are shorter than the...well...shorter than one's life expectancy teaching in a Florida school. Meanwhile cases in California continue to be about half those of Texas despite having over 10 million more people. The top 10 worst states in terms of positivity are South Dakota, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Idaho, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas. I doubt any of these are a surprise to anybody.

1,565 deaths is about 100 more than last week and brings the total to 662,853. Florida (with 325 deaths according to NYT), Texas (over 300 for the second day) and California (less than half of Texas) were in the top 3, though Georgia inched closer to taking over the third slot with 136. The 7-day average continues to creep upwards, though we should see the curve flattening out as new cases are also beginning to plateau. We'll see what next week brings.

Related news:

US hospitals hit with nurse staffing crisis amid COVID--This isn't news to most of us, but some hospitals are seeing upwards of 20+ resignations in a week. Some is due to fatigue and stress generated by the pandemic (and the fucking morons who refuse the vaccine because of conspiracy theories), but a lot is also due to the fact that the rates for traveling nurses have skyrocketed as demand has increased.

Ariz. state senator who saved Gabby Giffords's life ends congressional bid due to COVID-19 surge--The pandemic has hit Arizona hard on multiple occasions and it's still not doing so hot right now. Rather than give up his job at the hospital as a trauma doctor he's giving up his campaign so he can help more people. It's really a double-edged sword that the people we SHOULD have in positions of leadership are too moral and responsible to run for and accept those positions of leadership.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

Everyone's already been doing a thorough job of detailing what's going on with Florida, so there's no point in me belaboring the point. Fuck Florida.

There absolutely is. Florida's intentional mishandling of the problem and outright lies needs to be called out at every opportunity. Just because the first six jurors say "guilty" doesn't mean the seventh should stay silent.

[gondrin]

There absolutely is. Florida's intentional mishandling of the problem and outright lies needs to be called out at every opportunity. Just because the first six jurors say "guilty" doesn't mean the seventh should stay silent.

I feel the only way for DeSantis to even remotely not be reelected, and it absolutely pains me to say it as it is a disgusting thing to even think about so no, I do NOT want this to happen EVER, is if a large amount(more then 1000) of children in florida die to COVID all at once RIGHT before the election.

Even saying that makes me extremely upset.

[Breccia]

Even saying that makes me extremely upset.

Then you won't like this much.

About 20 percent of all new COVID cases are children.

Yep, school's open.

Incidentally, the average starting Jan 22 ("it's just one person from China, I'm a giant orange fuckwad, we'll be fine") is 14.8% cases being children, and it's now 22.4%. That is a pretty significant increase. Also, the CDC recently reported that the hospitalization rate of children was dramatically higher in states with low vaccine rates, which yeah we knew it would be but not the extent. It's up to quadruple.

[Poopymonster]

I feel the only way for DeSantis to even remotely not be reelected, and it absolutely pains me to say it as it is a disgusting thing to even think about so no, I do NOT want this to happen EVER, is if a large amount(more then 1000) of children in florida die to COVID all at once RIGHT before the election.

Even saying that makes me extremely upset.

Or a grieving parent takes it upon themselves to kill him for actively taking steps to kill children. Their child to be exact. Given how freedumb happy and ammosexual southern states tend to be, that seems more likely.

Required note: I am not condoning shooting or killing the dumbfuck.

[Shadowferal]

Well, DeSantis’ Net Approval Rating Drops 14 Points Amid Covid Spike,

Republican Govs. Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas have seen their approval ratings dip amid an alarming rise of Covid-19 infections and hospitalizations in both states over the past two months, with an increasing number of voters, particularly independents, saying they disapprove of DeSantis and Abbott’s performance, according to a Morning Consult poll released Thursday.

[gondrin]

Or a grieving parent takes it upon themselves to kill him for actively taking steps to kill children. Their child to be exact. Given how freedumb happy and ammosexual southern states tend to be, that seems more likely.

Required note: I am not condoning shooting or killing the dumbfuck.

It wouldn't surprise me. A grieving parent can pretty much go "insane with anger" if their child were to die and it was caused by another person.

Same thing, I am not condoning violence against any person.

[Breccia]

Required note: I am not condoning shooting or killing the dumbfuck.

Same thing, I am not condoning violence against any person.

Don't worry, nobody misread y'all.

My worry, however, is that if the shooter were, erm, typically inclined to vote for con artists and adulterers, they might take their ire out on...sigh...the school. Deciding that the school was to blame, the sick kids or teachers who spread the illness, or the board that didn't oppose DeSantis' order because they knew he would cut off funds, the death might come to an unrelated place.

DeSantis is appealing the court ruling that lets schools impose mask mandates, dragging it to the next higher court to force all mask mandates at schools have the "unless you just don't feel like it" option.

The previous ruling sounded pretty clear to me, but this is Florida and I would expect its higher-ups to be more...erm...Trumpian. I wonder what other options exist? The best one I've come up with is "school bus drivers unionize" and that one's not exactly ironclad.

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Minor point of contention. He’s being hurt in the polls. At the polls would be on election day.

Okay, that's actually a pretty big distinction.

[gondrin]

Don't worry, nobody misread y'all.

My worry, however, is that if the shooter were, erm, typically inclined to vote for con artists and adulterers, they might take their ire out on...sigh...the school. Deciding that the school was to blame, the sick kids or teachers who spread the illness, or the board that didn't oppose DeSantis' order because they knew he would cut off funds, the death might come to an unrelated place.

DeSantis is appealing the court ruling that lets schools impose mask mandates, dragging it to the next higher court to force all mask mandates at schools have the "unless you just don't feel like it" option.

The previous ruling sounded pretty clear to me, but this is Florida and I would expect its higher-ups to be more...erm...Trumpian. I wonder what other options exist? The best one I've come up with is "school bus drivers unionize" and that one's not exactly ironclad.

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Okay, that's actually a pretty big distinction.

Well, that didn't take long.

A school ordered a student to quarantine. His dad and 2 men confronted the principal with zip ties, official says.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...?ocid=msedgntp

[Breccia]

Well, that didn't take long.

These 3 assholes need to be charged.

They absolutely do. Of course, this is also the opposite direction of what we were talking about. Trump supporters using violence and threats to change political outcomes isn't exactly new.

[Poopymonster]

Don't worry, nobody misread y'all.

My worry, however, is that if the shooter were, erm, typically inclined to vote for con artists and adulterers, they might take their ire out on...sigh...the school. Deciding that the school was to blame, the sick kids or teachers who spread the illness, or the board that didn't oppose DeSantis' order because they knew he would cut off funds, the death might come to an unrelated place.

DeSantis is appealing the court ruling that lets schools impose mask mandates, dragging it to the next higher court to force all mask mandates at schools have the "unless you just don't feel like it" option.

The previous ruling sounded pretty clear to me, but this is Florida and I would expect its higher-ups to be more...erm...Trumpian. I wonder what other options exist? The best one I've come up with is "school bus drivers unionize" and that one's not exactly ironclad.

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Okay, that's actually a pretty big distinction.

Hopefully they get the same treatment as the county in CA. I forget the post/thread it was in and I'm lazy. Their insurance apparently said "Yeah, you want a mask mandate. Or you'll need new health insurance company."

[Breccia]

Their insurance apparently said "Yeah, you want a mask mandate. Or you'll need new health insurance company."

I don't know if they can legally do that in Florida. But it's a great idea. If the teachers had their choice between DeSantis holding back their paychecks or losing their health insurance in a lethal outbreak...

Actually wait, doesn't DeSantis oppose the ACA? Wouldn't he have to side with the health insurance groups when they say "no no no, we make the rules again and can drop you just because we feel like it"?

[gondrin]

I don't know if they can legally do that in Florida. But it's a great idea. If the teachers had their choice between DeSantis holding back their paychecks or losing their health insurance in a lethal outbreak...

Actually wait, doesn't DeSantis oppose the ACA? Wouldn't he have to side with the health insurance groups when they say "no no no, we make the rules again and can drop you just because we feel like it"?

However, an insurance company can completely leave an area and not cover anyone from that area.

[Lenonis]

(and the fucking morons who refuse the vaccine because of conspiracy theories)

It's probably worse than that -- these people become belligerent and in cases violent when they are told they have COVID. I can't blame anyone bailing out a job where you have to deal with people like that.

[solinari6]

I don't know if they can legally do that in Florida. But it's a great idea. If the teachers had their choice between DeSantis holding back their paychecks or losing their health insurance in a lethal outbreak...

I think it's not so much about teachers losing their health insurance, it's about insurance companies choosing not to insure the school. If the school is not doing everything they can to keep children safe, then they are opening themselves up for major lawsuits. Why would anyone want to insure a school in that case?

[Breccia]

If the school is not doing everything they can to keep children safe, then they are opening themselves up for major lawsuits.

Oh, right, yeah, I completely forgot about that. Yes, having sat in on multiple school budget meetings, a lawsuit of a few million dollars will cripple Bumblefuck County, FL's school budget.

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With love to all of you, I survived!

I went in at 77 oxygenation. I'm up to 94. I will not take the vaccination, though I did test positive for whatever they're calling 'COVID' today, but the bottom line is that my lungs are not [sic?] functioning.

The good news is that I will survive with a few days off. I should be back up and at least functional soon. This is been a near death experience, very much like a new death experience the whole country is going through right now. We will never be the same because now we know that we've all been lied to about everything. But, now we also know that we can trust each other. I'm alive today because I had a network that put me into a good hospital in Florida.

These are some of the last words of Robert David Steele, who died of COVID Tuesday. Steele was a frequent Alex Jones guest.

For more information, read up on Caleb Wallace, age 30, who left his pregnant wife behind. He, too, was an activist that railed against masking in Texas, writing this opinion piece for example. Was. Updates were posted on the GoFundMe his pregnant wife (about to be single mother of four) set up because, surprise surprise, he didn't have health insurance -- or, at least, not enough.

[s_bushido]

Robert David Steele, who died of COVID Tuesday.

Caleb Wallace, age 30, who left his pregnant wife behind.

Frustrating part is that for the more unhinged of the COVIDiots, the deaths of their fellow lunatics can just be neatly wrapped up into the narrative...rather than a cause for self-reflection. Clearly, They™ killed these people for telling the Truth™. Or, They™ killed these people by not allowing them to take the Real Medicine™.

[PhaelixWW]

Nope. Read it back -- I said "hurt him at the polls" is happening.

It's very easy to read what you wrote and hear it as "In a sane world, this thing should happen. Bizarrely enough, this other thing is happening instead." The use of "bizarrely enough" makes it sound like the second phrase is in contradiction to the first sentence. The "this" then would refer to what is actually happening (in the link), not to "hurt him at the polls". Could have used "that" instead of "this" to avoid the confusion.

[Breccia]

Clearly, They™ killed these people for telling the Truth™.

This is why I find it the least bad of such cases when the grieving, pregnant widow sobs into the camera "for fuck's sake, get the vaccine"

Could have used "that" instead of "this" to avoid the confusion.

Valid.

[Lenonis]

These are some of the last words of Robert David Steele, who died of COVID Tuesday.

It takes a special kind of evil and/or stupid to be anti-vax, get covid, almost die, and then still hold to all the conspiracy garbage and still promote anti-vax beliefs.

Given his public platform I'm happy to say his loss is society's gain. The less people pushing people to avoid the vaccine the sooner we'll be out of this situation.