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    Rudy is desperate to have someone fund his legal fees. Some highlights:


    Allies of Rudy Giuliani continue to call on former President Donald Trump and Republicans to pay for his efforts around the election and, in turn, subsidize the mounting legal bills facing the former New York City mayor.

    Trump was recently informed directly by Giuliani associates of the increasing debts incurred by his onetime personal lawyer, one source told CNN. Giuliani's attorney, Robert Costello, also raised the issue in recent days with lawyers for Trump. Asked if the former President's legal team was responsive, Costello replied, "No comment."
    I’m sure Trump is just waiting for the ink to dry before sending a check.


    One of the most vocal is Giuliani's son Andrew, who worked in the Trump White House and told CNN,"The nut may crack in the next 36 hours." He called on Trump to "take the lead on this one," adding: "He can be the hero."

    "Once President Trump actually understands that his lead counsel was not indemnified, he's going to resolve this very quickly," Andrew Giuliani said on Wednesday.
    And I’m sure Trump couldn’t spell indemnify if you gave him an hour of study time. Rudy’s kid is dumb if he thinks Trump cares about paying his debts.


    Andrew Giuliani said his father was reimbursed for travel-related expenses incurred after the 2020 election, when he visited Arizona and other states to argue election fraud lawsuits in court. He said his father has not, however, been paid for legal services.

    "The legal costs with him fighting to retain his law license in New York and fighting the Southern District (of New York) on what I think are bogus charges, that should be indemnified," he said.
    Good luck with that.


    Former NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik has posted on social media calling out the money raised by Republicans for legal fights in the wake of the election.

    Kerik told CNN that his longtime friend and colleague "worked for the campaign and the RNC and he should be compensated instead of being ignored."

    "As a result of the mayor's service to the President and to the country, he has been inundated with frivolous lawsuit and a criminal investigation," said Kerik. "He has to respond to that and in doing so that is going to take a few million dollars at a minimum."
    Kerik said Giuliani has never asked him to publicly lobby for compensation, but he said he confronted Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel months ago about compensating Giuliani, but the former New York mayor still has not been paid.
    "My problem is not with the President," he said. "My problem is with the campaign, the people who ran the campaign and the people who run the RNC."

    In response to Kerik's comments, an RNC spokesperson told CNN, "Rudy Giuliani has never worked for the RNC and he has never acted at our direction."

    Kerik, who said he speaks with Giuliani every day, said the former mayor is "doing OK" but is frustrated by incoming lawsuits and the ongoing criminal investigation as "responding to those costs money."
    Why the RNC would pay Trump’s personal lawyer is beyond me, but the desperation is palpable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Actually the 10 pages+ of derailed thread that is near unreadable if you are looking for substance related to the thread should be fair more annoying than me calling out people and remind them to stop helping trolls to shit on the thread.
    Both are equally annoying.
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  3. #72863
    If Rudy is having money troubles he does have a constitutional right to a public defender.

    I wonder how much public defender work he created during his DA and Mayor days? How many people went to jail because over-worked public defenders were unable to keep up with over-used RICO rules and Stop-And-Frisk?

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    They are crediting Meghan McCain with getting #CheetoJesus trending... trademark your memes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Then you are contributing to the problem by giving them air and feeding them so that they continue to spew the trash.

    If you want to stop contributing, then stop feeding them and giving them a platform to keep responding to. Let their trash roll off ignored and let them go.

    Otherwise, you are trolling the users of this form just as they are. You are purposefully turning what would be an ignored comment into pages of pigeon shit.

    So please, stop helping them troll this forum by feeding them.

    Edit: Let me elaborate a little more please so you understand what I am meaning.

    If someone comes here and shits on the page, everyone here with the IQ of stale bread knows what they are doing within a short time of them being here. After that point, no one will listen to them anyways, most of the people on this subforum aren’t newbies at this point.

    By feeding them, you aren’t countering a damn thing, you aren’t helping a damn thing, all you are doing is allowing to go from spewing one lie that is ignored into spewing pages of lies that obfuscates the page making real data harder to find.

    You didn’t help, if they post an extra 20 pages of shit because you kept feeding them, that shit is just as much your fault at that point. You are personally trolling the page and making it harder to read and derailing it.

    So, stop feeding them and stop trolling and derailing the thread by feeding them. This isn’t some personal attack or insult, it is quite literally what you are doing with your actions.
    Disagree completely.

    If I was Jimmy kimmel giving the My Pillow idiot a platform that he didn't already have access to, then you'd be right...but I'm not, so you're not.

    The bullshit needs to be answered, plain and simple. It doesn't;t need to go back and forth forever...and it didn't. In fact, I've now made more posts to you then I did to Zeth. Hell, this argument about you admonishing people, is doing more to derail than what Zeth said.

    I respect a lot of your opinions, and if someone were to take Zeth's or any of the other bad faith posters' posts too pages and pages and pages of the same argument, then sure speak up. But answering their one post with one post is not a reason for your policing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Both are equally annoying.
    Well mine is annoying for that single post, their is annoying for multiple pages. And one of the easiest ways to deal with both is to stop helping them shit on the page.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    If I was Jimmy kimmel giving the My Pillow idiot a platform that he didn't already have access to, then you'd be right...but I'm not, so you're not.
    Oh my god... someone creating an account with a similar name, then posting that they are the real original version... would be hilarious... although, the person it would be the funniest with, seems to have returned to Asgard...

    Jimmy just making sure that he was saying “crack” every few seconds was good... and the ‘I’m the real Pillow Guy, that guy is an imposter’ was very good... but, I still don’t think Jimmy went far enough... nothing short of literal clown shoes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Disagree completely.

    If I was Jimmy kimmel giving the My Pillow idiot a platform that he didn't already have access to, then you'd be right...but I'm not, so you're not.

    The bullshit needs to be answered, plain and simple. It doesn't;t need to go back and forth forever...and it didn't. In fact, I've now made more posts to you then I did to Zeth. Hell, this argument about you admonishing people, is doing more to derail than what Zeth said.

    I respect a lot of your opinions, and if someone were to take Zeth's or any of the other bad faith posters' posts too pages and pages and pages of the same argument, then sure speak up. But answering their one post with one post is not a reason for your policing.
    You are giving him a bigger platform here though which is the part you don’t understand, you keep feeding him and enable him to continue the lies when if you would just deprive him of a response, he would largely fade away.

    And my response wasn’t just in regard to Zeth, it is in regards to multiple of them that all do the exact same thing. Just look at the whole plurality crap that was completely off topic but ended up making the thread harder to read due to people feeding into it.

    I understand pushing back when they are lying and are getting traction from people believing it, but instead the responses they get are giving them traction in helping to make the relevant information harder to get to because it is surrounded in shit.

    Edit: And if you really think they are debating in good enough faith to warrant a response, see if they are willing to start a new thread about that topic.

    If they do, then continue it there, if it a topic others notice and want to participate it, then great. If they don’t, then they don’t want to discuss that, they just want to derail the topic you are actually discussing at which point any further response you give is helping them at which point you already lost the game they are playing.
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  9. #72869
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You are giving him a bigger platform here though which is the part you don’t understand, you keep feeding him and enable him to continue the lies when if you would just deprive him of a response, he would largely fade away.

    And my response wasn’t just in regard to Zeth, it is in regards to multiple of them that all do the exact same thing. Just look at the whole plurality crap that was completely off topic but ended up making the thread harder to read due to people feeding into it.

    I understand pushing back when they are lying and are getting traction from people believing it, but instead the responses they get are giving them traction in helping to make the relevant information harder to get to because it is surrounded in shit.
    I mean you're flat out wrong.

    This whole Trump/MAGA thing started BECAUSE they weren't challenged. They were mocked and laughed at, but not challenged. They grew strong in echo chambers like Facebook or specific subreddits because there was no real pushback. They don't go away if they aren't confronted, they fester until they explode.

    And once again....I made one post. One. But three to you now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You are giving him a bigger platform here though which is the part you don’t understand, you keep feeding him and enable him to continue the lies when if you would just deprive him of a response, he would largely fade away.

    And my response wasn’t just in regard to Zeth, it is in regards to multiple of them that all do the exact same thing. Just look at the whole plurality crap that was completely off topic but ended up making the thread harder to read due to people feeding into it.

    I understand pushing back when they are lying and are getting traction from people believing it, but instead the responses they get are giving them traction in helping to make the relevant information harder to get to because it is surrounded in shit.
    Here's another thought on that particular point: It's 3653 page thread spanning past several years. Specific stuff is already inconceivable to find in all of it. Some random trolls couple page derailment here and there are utterly irrelevant in the sea of posts.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I mean you're flat out wrong.
    First dibs!!!

    Just taking dibs, for when this argument progresses to the point where people realize that the piling on is the result of how few disagreeing voices we have left. Next time one of them posts, I called dibs... Until I am done, none of you can respond, else you contribute to the pilling on and the resulting “derailment”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I mean you're flat out wrong.

    This whole Trump/MAGA thing started BECAUSE they weren't challenged. They were mocked and laughed at, but not challenged. They grew strong in echo chambers like Facebook or specific subreddits because there was no real pushback. They don't go away if they aren't confronted, they fester until they explode.

    And once again....I made one post. One. But three to you now.
    Not quite, it wasn’t that they weren’t challenged, it was that they were given coverage by people who wouldn’t fact check or challenge them as well.

    This isn’t a media outlet where they choose to cover it, those places were. And when the people who did cover it refused to actually cover it fairly that is what caused the issue.

    The media let it get to extremes before they largely pushed back on anything. As far as Facebook, they again took the money and then refused to follow up on their paid advertisements while the groups in them actually kicked out views they disliked to give them their echo chamber.

    Sorry man, but you are actually helping these people whether you realize it or not. They aren’t persuading anyone here as we all know who they are and what they are doing. All you are doing is making the thread harder to read.

    I hate to say it but we both are doing that right now with this as well. But if we can actually start doing this, it will be a long term improvement towards the problem.

    Long story short, you think he is trying to actually get people here to believe lies. That isn’t his game and he isn’t succeeding in the slightest in that.

    His game is to try and derail this thread and make it harder for anyone to read anything of value. Bonus if he gets threads locked for not staying on topic.

    And in that game, they are kicking yours and countless others on this forums asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Here's another thought on that particular point: It's 3653 page thread spanning past several years. Specific stuff is already inconceivable to find in all of it. Some random trolls couple page derailment here and there are utterly irrelevant in the sea of posts.
    Until you come back after about 24 pages and want to get caught up but it’s 20 pages more now with most of it off topic stuff between 2 or 3 people
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    The thread is now derailed through the desire for it not to derail. That's fun.

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    Alright, I will drop this, but when they pull that. Don’t egg them on. Ask them to make another thread about it.

    If they do, continue there where it is on topic, if they refuse, then they aren’t trying to debate they are trying to derail, don’t help them do it.

    Dropping this now
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    How you all personally handle derails or instigating posts can be discussed privately.

    1) We don't mind users mentioning they're starting to burden discussion and suggesting to return to the topic. However, being insistent can ruffle feathers or start a derail as well. You're better off reporting and staying out of a mess others are making.
    2) Users are allowed to reply to any posts they see, unless there is a guideline or warning against it. Discussion drifts naturally, so use your own judgement to not assist or become part of harmful tangents.
    3) Mods can't control who people reply to. If ten users all reply to the same post, then each other about the same post, then finally move on from that post after 10 pages that's their choice. We simply take action where we can and if necessary, whether that's in the form of warnings or infractions.

    This is a casual forum, so if anyone should be having a headache over this it should be us. Just keep gabbing and let us know something need doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    The thread is now derailed through the desire for it not to derail. That's fun.
    It did bring up something I think was missed...

    What did ya’ll think of Jimmy Kimmel vs Pillow guy? I said my piece above, but I got the impression the person I quoted, didn’t have the same opinion. Here is the bit:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Until you come back after about 24 pages and want to get caught up but it’s 20 pages more now with most of it off topic stuff between 2 or 3 people
    Which is why I drop by very rarely, and tend to read back last 5 pages or so. There are those who have remained active participants throughout the thread, but for anyone else I don't see any sane reason to even attempt trying to read all the missed pages since previous visits. Far too many, and already a huge pile of old news buried by a lot more new ones pouring in. Also, not worth the time, regardless of the quality of the posts missed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It did bring up something I think was missed...

    What did ya’ll think of Jimmy Kimmel vs Pillow guy? I said my piece above, but I got the impression the person I quoted, didn’t have the same opinion. Here is the bit:

    A proper debate where he gets destroyed with facts and logic will do good. Mocking him, fans the flames. We are dealing with a group of people made up by the tenderest of titty babies, and mocking them just reinforces their victim complex.
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    Veteran GOP pollster Franz Luntz says the Democrats have the perfect tool at their disposal to suppress GOP votes in the 2022 election:

    Donald Trump.

    According to Luntz, Trump is continuing to push objectively false election info, anything from "millions of illegals voted" to "the audits will find thousands of votes" to "Legislative authority is in the Constitution, it's okay if my supporters look it up, it's an objective statement of fact not an opinion". Most remaining people who sexually self-identify as Republicans are actually Party of Trump, and a large portion of them is the rabid fanbase who believe everything Trump says rather than, you know, finding out for themselves despite being asked six or seven times. By pushing the intentional misinformation that the election was stolen, it also pushes the unintentional misinformation that their vote won't count, so why bother?

    What Donald Trump is saying is actually telling people it's not worth it to vote. Donald Trump single-handedly may cause people not to vote. And he may be the greatest tool in the Democrats' arsenal to keep control of the House and Senate in 2022

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    By pushing the intentional misinformation that the election was stolen, it also pushes the unintentional misinformation that their vote won't count, so why bother?
    Hmm, I don't buy that theory. Trump will just say all these new republican election laws "fixed" the problems, so now their votes will count for sure!

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