Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Vegas82]

Stefanik used to identify as a moderate. In 2020 she dances with Trump at the TNC. She's also a woman and they're desperate.

Stefanik is stupid popular around here, despite having no experience before getting the job, basically never doing Q&A and never being able to defend herself when she did, voting against the tax cut for the rich, voting to take away health care, and Puling a Clinton by running in a district in which she just happened to move about 30 seconds before the election. She's a Republican, she's rich (well, upstate NY rich), she's a woman, her last election rally was literally a pickup truck and motorcycle parade (not kidding, I could have taken pictures) and she supports Trump in effectively everything.

I've talked with her local staff. Stefanik tells them nothing, because like any other Party of Trump member they have no backing they're willing to admit to in public. They're forced to defend her behavior with nothing to go on and armed only with pamphlets for the next election.

She's perfect for the current "Republican" party. She's taking the reins. The good news? She's probably an easy target for the Democrats. Without Trump physically coming here to help (again) she'll have a hard time defending her record once it's shoved on every TV in the county, including the waiting room at the hospital. Oh, and there are some highly-motivated college students because of her stance with student loans.

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@Edge- and/or @cubby is there any chance these charges were delayed until the Barr was closed?

Considering Rudy? Yes, there’s a chance. No, I didn’t change my name.

[gondrin]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twi...tions-platform

Womp womp, Twitter doesn't like circumventing bans either. And will ban accounts that exist just to retweet Trump's blogs. Sad, truly pathetic people, these are.

Best part is someone got a screencap of the bio of one of the twitter accounts.

The bio of the account, which appeared to be created on Wednesday, said: "Posts copied from Save America on behalf of the 45th POTUS; Originally composed via https://DonaldJTrump.com/Desk. *Note: Not Donald J. Trump Tweeting."

This looks like what a 10 year old would do trying to pretend it isn't them.

Sources:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp
https://web.archive.org/web/20210505...er.com/djtdesk

[Breccia]

I could write up a post citing the sources directly, but, this MSNBC YouTube leads with a hilarious bit with Cohen saying "Good luck getting Trump to pay you, Giuliani!"

Medium story short, Trump still owes Giuliani back-pay from various 2020 activities. Giuilani has had to let staff go and, as we all know, he's been begging Trump, Trump's campaign, and the RNC for cash. Now, Trump is out of office where the threat isn't impeachment, it's being arrested, tried, and convicted. And Giuliani has only one person he can realistically throw under the bus to cooperate...Trump. (Nobody believes Barr blackmailed Ukraine) As we've also discussed, anything they did together and criminal is not protected by privilege and the FBI already is getting someone to comb through it.

Trump now faces an ugly choice: Taco Bell or Burger King. But he also has an awkward legal choice. Paying Giuliani would make Giuliani less desperate, but it could also be seen as witness tampering. Or, Trump could refuse to pay even what he contractually owes (or maybe there's no contract for blackmailing Ukraine) and hope Giuliani could take care of himself without flipping.

Things are not looking good for Giuliani. Dominion is stepping on the gas. It's possible Blackwater was involved, as they were providing security, since Giuliani was not, you know, a WH employee and the SS could not help during GIuliani's...um...ambassador trip, yeah, good luck with that one. A Zelensky aid is using the exact phrase "quid pro quo" in public. And that's all in the last 24 hours.

Run, Giuliani, run. There's nothing left here you can salvage.

[Edge-]

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...mpaign-ad.html

So how does a MAGA candidate who is former military start his campaign? By using dead soldiers at Arlington as a political prop, without clearing it with the Arlington Cemetery first.

Weird that Republicans would like, politicize the military like that. And dead soldiers.

[Breccia]

FEC votes 4-1 to end the investigation into Trump/Cohen's hush-money payments during the 2016 election.

"The vote was 4-1? Wow, I guess no crime was committed!"

Actually, it's almost the opposite. The FEC had earlier voted 2-2 whether any laws were broken. The Democrats said "Well, Cohen confessed and we have his turned-over documents". The Republicans said "Yes, but he got tried and convicted, so really we don't need to do anything do we?" With such partisan gridlock in place, the 4-1 vote to end the probe was mostly born of frustration.

As a reminder, the FEC's general council did say that a case should proceed. Again, the Republicans said "No, we'd rather let Trump off the hook."

[Azadina]

Run, Giuliani, run. There's nothing left here you can salvage.

I wonder if there's a need for crooked lawyers in Kremlin? Just asking for a friend... who might need a long vacation trip somewhere around that area.

[Breccia]

Hey remember when some of Trump's friends tried to crowdsource the Wall and Trump gave them a no-bid contract and then it fell down and they got charged with fraud?

Good times...good times...

The leader of We Build The Wall was just charged with cheating on his taxes.

For, you guessed it, taking the donation money and putting it in his own private bank account. Oh, and then lying to the IRS about it.

While getting a few thousand in fines isn't the end of the world, if the IRS gets proof that this guy took money from the donation fund and just kept it, those charges of fraud he's facing get a whole lot worse. Just a reminder, not only could Bannon be compelled to testify (pardoned!) but the charges go up to 20 years.

[Kaleredar]

I could write up a post citing the sources directly, but, this MSNBC YouTube leads with a hilarious bit with Cohen saying "Good luck getting Trump to pay you, Giuliani!"

Medium story short, Trump still owes Giuliani back-pay from various 2020 activities. Giuilani has had to let staff go and, as we all know, he's been begging Trump, Trump's campaign, and the RNC for cash. Now, Trump is out of office where the threat isn't impeachment, it's being arrested, tried, and convicted. And Giuliani has only one person he can realistically throw under the bus to cooperate...Trump. (Nobody believes Barr blackmailed Ukraine) As we've also discussed, anything they did together and criminal is not protected by privilege and the FBI already is getting someone to comb through it.

Trump now faces an ugly choice: Taco Bell or Burger King. But he also has an awkward legal choice. Paying Giuliani would make Giuliani less desperate, but it could also be seen as witness tampering. Or, Trump could refuse to pay even what he contractually owes (or maybe there's no contract for blackmailing Ukraine) and hope Giuliani could take care of himself without flipping.

Things are not looking good for Giuliani. Dominion is stepping on the gas. It's possible Blackwater was involved, as they were providing security, since Giuliani was not, you know, a WH employee and the SS could not help during GIuliani's...um...ambassador trip, yeah, good luck with that one. A Zelensky aid is using the exact phrase "quid pro quo" in public. And that's all in the last 24 hours.

Run, Giuliani, run. There's nothing left here you can salvage.

Now, I'm no corrupt politician, but... I do have to wonder why these fucks bothered sticking their necks out for Trump and basically sinking themselves into these horrid quagmires essentially of their own making. I'd have assumed that ol' Ghouliani was more or less retired, fairly well off, and out of the public eye prior to his involvement in the Trump administration.

Was it simply greed that drove ghouly here and others to basically wade out into the Trump cesspit until their feet got stuck? Hoping from some grand payoff from Trump or via association with him? None of these people that have either gone down or are teetering on being consumed by the Trump debacle blast zone strike me as particular ideologues who care about pushing some moral position from their newfound place of authority, even if that moral position was a terrible one. I always got the impression that they were always in it for the money.

Either way, I hope the law comes crashing down on them with full force and fury.

[Vegas82]

It’s time for guess the speaker!

Can we move forward without President Trump? The answer is no. I’ve always liked Liz Cheney but she’s made a determination that the Republican Party can’t grow with President Trump. I’ve determined we can’t grow without him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.

[s_bushido]

Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.

It's been apparent for years now that the GOP has literally no plan to actually govern and no policy beyond saying "fuck you" to everyone without seven figures in their bank account. This just seems to me like them finally coming to terms with that reality.

[Poopymonster]

Now, I'm no corrupt politician, but... I do have to wonder why these fucks bothered sticking their necks out for Trump and basically sinking themselves into these horrid quagmires essentially of their own making. I'd have assumed that ol' Ghouliani was more or less retired, fairly well off, and out of the public eye prior to his involvement in the Trump administration.

Was it simply greed that drove ghouly here and others to basically wade out into the Trump cesspit until their feet got stuck? Hoping from some grand payoff from Trump or via association with him? None of these people that have either gone down or are teetering on being consumed by the Trump debacle blast zone strike me as particular ideologues who care about pushing some moral position from their newfound place of authority, even if that moral position was a terrible one. I always got the impression that they were always in it for the money.

Either way, I hope the law comes crashing down on them with full force and fury.

They thought Trump would win a second term. Then a Republican would be #46 for 8 years. They'd sweep the Senate and House. They felt safe thinking they'd never be held accountable. Statute of Limitations? They could wait it out in most cases.

[UnifiedDivide]

It’s time for guess the speaker!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.

If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?

An entire political party tying themselves to one man, because they have nothing to offer by way of truly popular policies, is quite the sight.

[Vegas82]

If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?

An entire political party tying themselves to one man, because they have nothing to offer by way of truly popular policies, is quite the sight.

They looked at his numbers in 2020 as growth because he did drive turnout. The problem they fail to acknowledge is that the same thing driving their turnout also drives turnout against it. It’ll be interesting to see how they treat any potential Trump challengers if he does decide to run instead of just taking the fundraising money and running. And if he DOES cut and run mid-cycle with nobody serious opposing him… then again, it seems like he truly wants to take back the office and then attempt to remain in power until he dies to avoid any legal consequences he’s currently facing.

[Felya]

If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?

Seeing as Florida was just joined by Texas in implementing new voting restrictions, they are conceding they can’t win elections. What they need, is someone who would convince enough people that voting can’t be trusted. No one has been as successful as Trump, in doing just that.

[UnifiedDivide]

They looked at his numbers in 2020 as growth because he did drive turnout. The problem they fail to acknowledge is that the same thing driving their turnout also drives turnout against it. It’ll be interesting to see how they treat any potential Trump challengers if he does decide to run instead of just taking the fundraising money and running. And if he DOES cut and run mid-cycle with nobody serious opposing him… then again, it seems like he truly wants to take back the office and then attempt to remain in power until he dies to avoid any legal consequences he’s currently facing.

Well, he's already pocketing any money being donated, which is why he refuses to just outright say he's running.

And given that he's currently a private citizen, would anything against him now just get put on the back burner if he was elected President again? Or could they still be pursued?

Seeing as Florida was just joined by Texas in implementing new voting restrictions, they are conceding they can’t win elections. What they need, is someone who would convince enough people that voting can’t be trusted. No one has been as successful as Trump, in doing just that.

I think they've known for a long time that they don't win elections without doing all they can to restrict, suppress and just outright cheat, tbf.

[Vegas82]

Well, he's already pocketing any money being donated, which is why he refuses to just outright say he's running.

And given that he's currently a private citizen, would anything against him now just get put on the back burner if he was elected President again? Or could they still be pursued?


I think they've known for a long time that they don't win elections without doing all they can to restrict, suppress and just outright cheat, tbf.

When he’s President he’d argue his job doesn’t let him deal with this shit and it’d be back burnered.

[solinari6]

It’s time for guess the speaker!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.

So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL

[Dontrike]

So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL

More likely by the time the election comes he'll be 77/78 and likely won't all be there even more so, mentally and especially physically.

[UnifiedDivide]

When he’s President he’d argue his job doesn’t let him deal with this shit and it’d be back burnered.

Good point, well made.

[Vegas82]

So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL

First, he’d likely only get house arrest as the Secret Service finds it hard to protect someone in jail. Second, he can still run. There’s nothing disqualifying about being a convicted felon.