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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Thank you for the laugh. The idea that there are people who have yet to realize all these audits and recounts are a farce, isn't as humorous however.

    I am just tired of all these "Wait until <insert date> then you'll see!" And when <insert date> passes, they are like "no no, you have to wait until <insert new date>." Repeat ad nauseam.

    And as I said, these people don't realize even if they prove Biden cheated to be President and remove him and Harris, we get President Pelosi, not President Trump.
    Just enjoy the schadenfreude... after 4 years of crazy Democrats trying to over turn elections... we see what sane looks like for republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Just enjoy the schadenfreude... after 4 years of crazy Democrats trying to over turn elections... we see what sane looks like for republicans.
    Well, the difference is that they had found and supplied evidence of Russian Interference in 2016 (just not that Trump was involved or aware of it; even if he was involved, we would need evidence to know that he knew at the time he was breaking the law.) while there is no evidence presented for fraud outside of personal incredulity that there was no way Joe "Sleepy" Biden won fairly.

    The whole "only Democrats" challenge the results of an election is a false narrative anyway.
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    Texas GOP floors a bill banning vegetarian food from using words like "meat" or "beef" on their food's labels.

    "We think the government's role is to protect the people from being tricked by misleading or false claims," the party of smaller government didn't say but I'm pretending they did. "Now let's all continue to push for election suppression laws because of all the fraudulent ballots we never looked for, because they don't exist. HEIL TRUMP!"

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    Arkansas' GOP governor: "Trump is dividing our party"

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA he did it on CNN HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Gov. Hutchinson joins the not-long-enough list of Republicans standing up for their principles, willing to openly criticize Trump because they're out of office (he can't run for a third term).

    Whenever we do not have the president in power from our party, you have divided leadership — you have many different voices.

    And former President Trump is dividing our party, and so it's important we not unite with someone who is dividing our party.

    And so I don't believe Liz Cheney should be ousted for a vote of conscience. I believe we need to concentrate on more things that bring us together than to separate us, and going to see former President Trump, to me, causes more division than anything else.
    Like many others, Hutchinson got on board the Trump train willingly during the 2016 election. His candor now in no way excuses his earlier cowardice. He, and others, knew Trump was a liar, a thief, violent, angry, and incompetent way back in Sept 2105 when he'd been in office for eight months. And he's been a classic Republican for a while (like, Homeland Security on the border classic). If he wanted his party united, he had his chance.

    Of course, he's right -- the group of people that sexually identify as Republicans is divided. Problem is, he allowed himself to be outnumbered. As soon as someone retweets this Trump will...bad example. As soon as someone posts this as a reply on Trump's blog, he will...oh, right, disabled. Um, as soon as someone Trump is playing golf with tells him about it, Trump will turn on Hutchinson, too. Not that it matters in terms of elections, but we all know the rabid fanbase loves them some death threats. (See also: murderous insurrection)

    You don't say "Hey coach, maybe we should field more than 2 defensive linemen" when you're down 63-3 at the two-minute warning. Or more to the point, if you wait that long, your ass deserves to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Texas GOP floors a bill banning vegetarian food from using words like "meat" or "beef" on their food's labels.

    "We think the government's role is to protect the people from being tricked by misleading or false claims," the party of smaller government didn't say but I'm pretending they did. "Now let's all continue to push for election suppression laws because of all the fraudulent ballots we never looked for, because they don't exist. HEIL TRUMP!"
    As a vegan who buys many faux meats, this stuff isn't a thing. There are NOT a lot of vegan/vegetarian products that have meat or beef in their names or package, unless they say "meatless" or "beefless".

    If they care about the consumer, they should talk about the hormones and antibiotics in all their meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    As a vegan who buys many faux meats, this stuff isn't a thing.
    Well, neither is voter fraud, and look what's happening.

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    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...acebook-486843

    Remember how Trump and Republicans HATE Facebook for being all liberal and shit?

    Cruz has plowed more than $240,000 into Facebook advertising since the platform started accepting political ads again two months ago. The only sitting senator who has spent more is Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.), who forked over $335,000 for ads on the social media giant, according to a POLITICO analysis of Facebook advertising disclosures.
    Weird that Ted Cruz is simping for Facebook, is Trump gonna get jealous?

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1845838.html

    And Republicans are blocking an amendment in HR1 that would prevent states from making it illegal to provide people waiting in line from receiving snacks or water.

    Reminder: Voting is a constitutionally protected right. Waiting in lines is a part of that process. I can't think of any other lines where it is illegal to have someone bring you a bottle of water or some chips if you've been waiting for hours. The bloody DMV doesn't even care.

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    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...7sa-story.html

    And the founder of "Students for Trump" is getting only 13 months in prison for posing as a lawyer, like an actual real life lawyer named Eric Pope, and accepting more than $46K for "legal advise".

    He is not a lawyer. What the fuck is up with all these Trump folks constantly breaking the fucking law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And Republicans are blocking an amendment in HR1 that would prevent states from making it illegal to provide people waiting in line from receiving snacks or water.

    Reminder: Voting is a constitutionally protected right. Waiting in lines is a part of that process. I can't think of any other lines where it is illegal to have someone bring you a bottle of water or some chips if you've been waiting for hours. The bloody DMV doesn't even care.
    I'm trying to come up with an "actual" reason for this ... the best I can come up with is maybe the worry is that people will be bribing voters with water to get them to vote their way? I thought I've read that a general rule is you can't give people in line to vote something "of value". And I suppose a bottle of water has value. Seems a bit of a stretch though? Or maybe water bottles would have candidate names on the labels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    Or maybe water bottles would have candidate names on the labels?
    That's already forbidden, you can't wear campaign gear (or bring it with you) to the polls. There's no need to ban water bottles that may have a candidate's name on them, that's already banned by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    That's already forbidden, you can't wear campaign gear (or bring it with you) to the polls. There's no need to ban water bottles that may have a candidate's name on them, that's already banned by default.
    Oh, well I guess here's the reason:
    In Senate hearing on For The People Act Sen Roy Blunt just opposed an amendment that would enable good samaritans to give water to voters stuck on line. He suggests the water could buy off their votes.
    https://twitter.com/JaneMayerNYer/st...81533390393350

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I'm trying to come up with an "actual" reason for this ... the best I can come up with is maybe the worry is that people will be bribing voters with water to get them to vote their way? I thought I've read that a general rule is you can't give people in line to vote something "of value". And I suppose a bottle of water has value. Seems a bit of a stretch though?
    It's a bit of a stretch because it's not actually banned because it's a concern, it's banned to discourage people from voting and that's the ex post- facto justification they came up with.

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    You know the value of a bottle of water?! It's like, a dollar! Who knew votes were so easy to buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I'm trying to come up with an "actual" reason for this ... the best I can come up with is maybe the worry is that people will be bribing voters with water to get them to vote their way? I thought I've read that a general rule is you can't give people in line to vote something "of value". And I suppose a bottle of water has value. Seems a bit of a stretch though? Or maybe water bottles would have candidate names on the labels?
    The actual reason is simple.

    First you close a bunch of polling locations in the neighbourhoods where your political opponents do well.
    This causes the remaining locations near those neighbourhoods to get long lines on election day, like multiple hours long lines.
    You don't close polling locations in neighbourhoods with lots of your own voters so they have quick short lines.
    Then you make it illegal to give aid to people in line so those people in multiple hour long lines are on their own.

    The goal is to make it as miserable as possible to stand in line for hours and hours to vote in the hopes that more people give up and not bother to vote, costing your political opponent votes and allowing you to attain a majority of votes, despite having only a minority support.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You know the value of a bottle of water?! It's like, a dollar! Who knew votes were so easy to buy?
    Really though that guy was so nice to hand out water, I wonder what party he supports? Oh! You mean he doesn't support the oppressive fascist party actively trying to make our lives miserable for attempting to exercise our right to vote!??

    I NEVER WOULDA FUCKIN GUESSED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And Republicans are blocking an amendment in HR1 that would prevent states from making it illegal to provide people waiting in line from receiving snacks or water.

    Reminder: Voting is a constitutionally protected right. Waiting in lines is a part of that process. I can't think of any other lines where it is illegal to have someone bring you a bottle of water or some chips if you've been waiting for hours. The bloody DMV doesn't even care.
    But are you allowed to sell snacks and water (or Coca Cola in Atlanta, GA) in those states, or is it only illegal to give them something?

    And I don't consider standing in line to be part of the voting process - that's the sign of a broken system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    But are you allowed to sell snacks and water (or Coca Cola in Atlanta, GA) in those states, or is it only illegal to give them something?
    I'm not sure about that, actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    And I don't consider standing in line to be part of the voting process - that's the sign of a broken system.
    A sign of a broken system sure, but still part of the voting process. Waiting in line will be a part of the process even if we had enough voting locations, it would just usually be a fairly short wait where you wouldn't need to worry about snacks/water/sunscreen/freezing temperatures etc. That's why voter protections are extended to those in line waiting to vote as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    But are you allowed to sell snacks and water (or Coca Cola in Atlanta, GA) in those states, or is it only illegal to give them something?
    You can sell, but you can’t give a discount. Basically, you cannot do anything that could imply persuading to vote in any favor.

    And I don't consider standing in line to be part of the voting process - that's the sign of a broken system.
    It is broken... largely because people don’t know how it works, which lets politicians get away with shit like this. If you look at what they are doing at face value, none of it seems outlandish. Like voter ID or attempts at curbing intimidation/bribery, all sound good... it’s not until you look under the surface and treat all these changes as a whole, that the picture gets clearer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You can sell, but you can’t give a discount. Basically, you cannot do anything that could imply persuading to vote in any favor.



    It is broken... largely because people don’t know how it works, which lets politicians get away with shit like this. If you look at what they are doing at face value, none of it seems outlandish. Like voter ID or attempts at curbing intimidation/bribery, all sound good... it’s not until you look under the surface and treat all these changes as a whole, that the picture gets clearer.

    the loophole is a company can donate food and drink to an agency for 0.00.
    that agency can then "sell" the goods to people waiting in line for .01.

    since they are not giving it away and are actually making money on the product, LOOPHOLE.

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    the loophole is a company can donate food and drink to an agency for 0.00.
    that agency can then "sell" the goods to people waiting in line for .01.

    since they are not giving it away and are actually making money on the product, LOOPHOLE.

    I’m just pissed Australians get a voting sausage... while that would be illegal in some parts of US.
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    Listen, the only way someone giving me water while I wait in line is going to change the way I vote is if I don't care which one wins and was still deciding who I was going to vote for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Listen, the only way someone giving me water while I wait in line is going to change the way I vote is if I don't care which one wins and was still deciding who I was going to vote for.
    Especially considering these are the same people encouraging armed good Samaritans, to monitor voting.
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