Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Two Staffers Die of COVID at Kentucky Elementary School in Two Weeks, Others Hospitalized

As I've said before, we'll keep seeing these stories.

Man dies after 43 hospitals turned him away in COVID surge, family says
Texas Girl, 4, With COVID Dies in Her Sleep, Had No Pre-existing Conditions

And these two stories demonstrate why we can't just let the anti-vaxxers "kill themselves". Their anti-science selfishness is killing others as well. Fuck Trump for normalizing willful ignorance.

[DarkTZeratul]

I think even in a triage scenario, they still aren’t going to decide based on who is or is not vaccinated. They will still base it on who is more likely to survive with medical treatment

Which, incidentally, will usually be the vaccinated people.

[postman1782]

Two Staffers Die of COVID at Kentucky Elementary School in Two Weeks, Others Hospitalized

As I've said before, we'll keep seeing these stories.

Man dies after 43 hospitals turned him away in COVID surge, family says
Texas Girl, 4, With COVID Dies in Her Sleep, Had No Pre-existing Conditions

And these two stories demonstrate why we can't just let the anti-vaxxers "kill themselves". Their anti-science selfishness is killing others as well. Fuck Trump for normalizing willful ignorance.

The girl that was 4, her mother was an anti-vaxxer, and she passed it on to her daughter, and basically killed her, so now she is going on the whole woe is me, why didn't I listen to people tour. I feel sorry for the 4 year old, but fuck the mom. She is a piece of shit.

[Breccia]

why didn't I listen to people

I assume she doesn't want to hear "because you believed some person on the internet who said it was a microchip Chinese hoax sign of the beast, and not your doctor".

[Hollycakes]

said it was a microchip Chinese hoax sign of the beast, and not your doctor".

Yuppie claimed this very thing here not long ago.
Sans /s

[postman1782]

I assume she doesn't want to hear "because you believed some person on the internet who said it was a microchip Chinese hoax sign of the beast, and not your doctor".

Probably not.

[Ripster42]

They are not.

Sure about that? If you've got limited available care, you help the people who have the greatest chance of surviving. In this case, someone who's vaccinated has a higher chance of surviving than a person who hasn't been vaccinated. All else being equal, when rationing care, care givers should prioritize those who are vaccinated. It's literally the ethical thing to do.

[Breccia]

WaPo reports that --

"Paywall."

Yeah...anyhow, Florida Woman made death threats against VP Harris on TikTok videos. Well, JPay, but you get the idea.

Kamala Harris you are going to die. Your days are numbered already.

"Well that's not very specific, clearly she was talking about the fragile nature of human life and not plans to commit murder."

Someone paid me $53,000 just to fuck you up and I'm gonna take the, I'm gonna do the job, okay?

"Um...okay, that's more specific, but it's not like she said how she would do it or anything..."

I'm going to the gun range, just for your ass, until you fuckin' leave the chair.

"...okay that's bad, but come on, it's not like she had a specific plan."

And fuckin’ Kamala Harris, I swear to God, today is your day — you’re gonna die. 50 days from today, mark this day down, stupid bitch, Kamala fuckin’ Harris vice president. You gonna fuckin’ die 50 days from today, I swear to fuckin’ God! Your day is [video abruptly ends]

"...uh...okay but she didn't say where."

Florida Woman had plans to travel to DC. She told the SS and police she didn't...but her daughter was in the room and, confused, ratted her out by accident.

Didn’t we say we were going?

"But...but...okay, but none of that counts if she said it privately."

Yeah, JPay videos are apparently public, so there goes that idea. And yes, she admitted she knew that when the police asked her that very question.

"But she didn't have a gun."

She filed for a concealed weapon permit at the same time as making those threats of "I will learn how to shoot you with a gun". I'm guessing that permit will be stalled just a bit, as she's pleading guilty to a felony.

"But...she didn't actually practice."

She told the Secret Service that yes she did practice when they came to arrest her.

"Jesus. But, as her lawyer said in public, surely she was just venting. She was going through a rough time, and didn't follow through."

Well, the "didn't follow through" is a lie, she applies for the permit (Feb 22) and spent time at the range. She even took a picture of a target she shot and she posted that in public too.

*cracks knuckles*

But let's discuss the "rough time" defense, shall we?

1) She was a health care worker Jan-April 2021 when the threats were made, in Fuck Florida, which yes, would be a rough time indeed. For which, VP Harris was in no way responsible for. That was all the Florida horse dewormer crowd trying to kill themselves and DeSantis cheering them on. No, she did not threaten DeSantis.

2) Was. The hospital fired her for making death threats.

3) Her husband has been in jail for ten years. No, Harris did not arrest or prosecute her husband.

4) And now that she's plead guilty, and what choice did she have she was caught red-handed, she could be in federal prison for five years.

5) And when she was arrested, Florida Woman's mother said Florida Woman had lost the house. I don't know anything about that, in theory she was arrested there, but I don't know why her mother would lie about that, either.

"What the hell did Harris do, then? Why her?"

Florida Woman reportedly told the cops who arrested her, that it was because Harris claimed to be African-American and wasn't.

"But...Harris' father is Jamaican. Wait, she was going to shoot someone based on race? Nobody tell her about Elizabeth Warren."

Also, she said Harris put her hand on her purse instead of the Bible when being sworn in.

"That was debunked almost immediately! She actually used two Bibles! And even if not, there's no death sentence for that!"

Florida Woman's mother also suggested in an interview that Florida Woman might have believed that, if Trump was re-elected, Trump would have pardoned her husband.

"For what? Why?"

I dunno, but her husband was arrested on state charges, so that wasn't going to happen anyhow.

"None of that makes any sense at all."

Well, that's what Florida Woman said.

Florida Woman's lawyer is clearly trying for a sympathy nod from the judge for a reduced sentence, using that tired old Republican line "she didn't actually do anything so it wasn't a crime". And even if she was going through a tough time, congratulations, she found a way to make it far worse.

Also, this woman will spend the rest of her life as a willingly admitted terrorist. The use of violence, or threats of violence, to change political discourse is terrorism. Hopefully she changes her ways while spending time in a federal prison while her kids are raised by their grandmother.

"Wait wait wait! You never explained where the $53,000 came from!"

I couldn't find that. I think it's fictional.

EDIT: Shit, I knew I forgot something. Her husband was found guilty in 1996 for robbing a grocery store and murdering the owner. So add that to the list -- yes, she thought Trump would pardon a murderer.

[Breccia]

M4A with mental health care included is a must right now.

I mean...I don't even know if these things can be officially diagnosed. There's a difference between "she's clearly crazy" and "and this is the official name of her affliction". And I for one am not ready to point to examples like this and say "she's medically ill" because, damn, that will open the fucking floodgates.

...oh wait, the QAnon Shaman already tried this, didn't he? Fuck.

[Shadowferal]

It isn't "anger" that needs management.

[Breccia]

It isn't "anger" that needs management.

It's a tad off-topic so I won't go too deeply into it, but
1) an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and
2) I was a fucking messed up kid. Loving friends and family helped, but so did licensed professionals.

[Shadowferal]

It's a tad off-topic so I won't go too deeply into it, but
1) an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and
2) I was a fucking messed up kid. Loving friends and family helped, but so did licensed professionals.

I was going for "idiocy." But whatever works.

[Breccia]

I was going for "idiocy."

Oh, I got that And no, "I was angry" is not a legal excuse for anything. I'm just agreeing with my @Vegas82 on the topic.

Ignorance, such as "Trump can't pardon your murderer husband", can be cured, but it requires the person listen. When they refuse to listen, yep that's idiocy, and the cure for that is...less pleasant.

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Putin says inner circle has COVID and flees to undisclosed location.

Okay I know COVID in Russia isn't Trump's lethal outbreak, but man, can you imagine the irony if COVID brings down both Trump by a legal election, and Putin by killing him?

[gondrin]

Oh, I got that And no, "I was angry" is not a legal excuse for anything. I'm just agreeing with my @Vegas82 on the topic.

Ignorance, such as "Trump can't pardon your murderer husband", can be cured, but it requires the person listen. When they refuse to listen, yep that's idiocy, and the cure for that is...less pleasant.

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Putin says inner circle has COVID and flees to undisclosed location.

Okay I know COVID in Russia isn't Trump's lethal outbreak, but man, can you imagine the irony if COVID brings down both Trump by a legal election, and Putin by killing him?

That can't happen to Putin. He one time wrestled a bear with his bare hands or so I'm told. He also is shown to ride shirtless on a moose or so I'm told.

[AntiFascistVoter]

I hope whichever doctors administer the secret monoclonal antibodies treatment, have falling-out-of-windows insurance.

[Breccia]

Hey remember all those people Trump appointed into his Cabinet and some of us said "well at least HE will hold Trump back from doing crazy shit" and then Trump fired them all and we were like "oh shit"?

Trump missed a spot.

In Woodward's new book, we have information that Joint Chiefs head General Milley personally intervened in what he feared would be Trump going rogue with nukes.

No, really.

Milley's fear was based on his own observations of Trump's erratic behavior. His concern was magnified by the events of January 6 and the 'extraordinary risk' the situation posed to US national security, the authors write. Milley had already had two back-channel phone calls with China's top general, who was on high alert over the chaos in the US.

Okay, that's new, but not the point of this post. Yes, China was ready for Trump to do anything from announce more tariffs to launching a military strike.

Then Milley received a blunt phone call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to the book. Woodward and Costa exclusively obtained a transcript of the call, during which Milley tried to reassure Pelosi that the nuclear weapons were safe.

Pelosi pushed back.

"What I'm saying to you is that if they couldn't even stop him from an assault on the Capitol, who even knows what else he may do? And is there anybody in charge at the White House who was doing anything but kissing his fat butt all over this?"

Pelosi continued, "You know he's crazy. He's been crazy for a long time."

According to Woodward and Costa, Milley responded, "Madam Speaker, I agree with you on everything."

And if you think that's bad and/or wonder what "safe" means, oh boy, it gets worse.

Woodward and Costa write that Milley, deeply shaken by the assault, 'was certain that Trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election, with Trump now all but manic, screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless election conspiracies.'

Milley worried that Trump could 'go rogue,' the authors write.

"You never know what a president's trigger point is," Milley told his senior staff, according to the book.

In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.

I mean...look at Trump's public statements since. He still thinks he won.

Incidentally, while I said over and over during Trump's tenure that he was going to start a war with Iran for ratings, and was of course wrong, it wasn't just me. In the above article was a link to this one where that exact fear, after Trump's 2020 loss, was taken to Milley himself.

But let's add to that, shall we? There's more in the book -- Barr calling Team Trump "a bunch of clowns" as the door hit him on the ass on the way out, Steve Bannon was a big part of the Jan 6th planning and yes Trump gave him a pardon possibly as payment for doing so, this horrifying exact quote from Mike Pence "I've done everything I could and then some to find a way around this, it's simply not possible" about overturning the elections, I defended him Jesus Christ what was I thinking -- but let's talk about this part.

Milley's fear that Trump could do something unpredictable came from experience. Right after Trump lost the election, Milley discovered the President had signed a military order to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by January 15, 2021, before he left the White House.

The memo had been secretly drafted by two Trump loyalists. No one on the national security team knew about it, according to the book. The memo was eventually nullified, but Milley could not forget that Trump had done an end run around his top military advisers.

This is, once again, where I call upon Trump's supporters here, such as @TexasRules to talk about the Afghanistan withdrawl. Before, I asked "why didn't Trump leave?" and now there's more context. By Jan 15th, Trump had, of course, already negotiated with the Taliban terrorists and signed a deal with them. He had set a date for which he would not be in office, and by Jan 15th, he knew that -- the vote had been certified, despite his best efforts to stop it and remain in power through a murderous insurrection he started. But leaving Trump's murderous insurrection aside, if Trump wanted to leave Afghanistan so much that he negotiated a deal with the Taliban terrorists to do it, and also, had a signed military order to withdraw on his own terms ready to go...why didn't he? Why didn't Trump, who campaigned and ran on the promise to leave Afghanistan, leave Afghanistan, when he clearly had the ability to do so?

You have the usual 24 hours. As per usual, failure to respond means I get to answer for you.

[cubby]

Sure about that? If you've got limited available care, you help the people who have the greatest chance of surviving. In this case, someone who's vaccinated has a higher chance of surviving than a person who hasn't been vaccinated. All else being equal, when rationing care, care givers should prioritize those who are vaccinated. It's literally the ethical thing to do.

I'm positive, but I also here what you're saying above. I believe what you're discussing is triage, which is a form of care. And I fully agree, that those with vaccines should be the higher priority. Plus, those people who need the ICU beds for non-COVID related things - they should be prioritized above non-vaccinated COVID patients.

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WaPo reports that --

"Paywall."

Yeah...anyhow, Florida Woman made death threats against VP Harris on TikTok videos. Well, JPay, but you get the idea.



"Well that's not very specific, clearly she was talking about the fragile nature of human life and not plans to commit murder."



"Um...okay, that's more specific, but it's not like she said how she would do it or anything..."



"...okay that's bad, but come on, it's not like she had a specific plan."



"...uh...okay but she didn't say where."

Florida Woman had plans to travel to DC. She told the SS and police she didn't...but her daughter was in the room and, confused, ratted her out by accident.



"But...but...okay, but none of that counts if she said it privately."

Yeah, JPay videos are apparently public, so there goes that idea. And yes, she admitted she knew that when the police asked her that very question.

"But she didn't have a gun."

She filed for a concealed weapon permit at the same time as making those threats of "I will learn how to shoot you with a gun". I'm guessing that permit will be stalled just a bit, as she's pleading guilty to a felony.

"But...she didn't actually practice."

She told the Secret Service that yes she did practice when they came to arrest her.

"Jesus. But, as her lawyer said in public, surely she was just venting. She was going through a rough time, and didn't follow through."

Well, the "didn't follow through" is a lie, she applies for the permit (Feb 22) and spent time at the range. She even took a picture of a target she shot and she posted that in public too.

*cracks knuckles*

But let's discuss the "rough time" defense, shall we?

1) She was a health care worker Jan-April 2021 when the threats were made, in Fuck Florida, which yes, would be a rough time indeed. For which, VP Harris was in no way responsible for. That was all the Florida horse dewormer crowd trying to kill themselves and DeSantis cheering them on. No, she did not threaten DeSantis.

2) Was. The hospital fired her for making death threats.

3) Her husband has been in jail for ten years. No, Harris did not arrest or prosecute her husband.

4) And now that she's plead guilty, and what choice did she have she was caught red-handed, she could be in federal prison for five years.

5) And when she was arrested, Florida Woman's mother said Florida Woman had lost the house. I don't know anything about that, in theory she was arrested there, but I don't know why her mother would lie about that, either.

"What the hell did Harris do, then? Why her?"

Florida Woman reportedly told the cops who arrested her, that it was because Harris claimed to be African-American and wasn't.

"But...Harris' father is Jamaican. Wait, she was going to shoot someone based on race? Nobody tell her about Elizabeth Warren."

Also, she said Harris put her hand on her purse instead of the Bible when being sworn in.

"That was debunked almost immediately! She actually used two Bibles! And even if not, there's no death sentence for that!"

Florida Woman's mother also suggested in an interview that Florida Woman might have believed that, if Trump was re-elected, Trump would have pardoned her husband.

"For what? Why?"

I dunno, but her husband was arrested on state charges, so that wasn't going to happen anyhow.

"None of that makes any sense at all."

Well, that's what Florida Woman said.

Florida Woman's lawyer is clearly trying for a sympathy nod from the judge for a reduced sentence, using that tired old Republican line "she didn't actually do anything so it wasn't a crime". And even if she was going through a tough time, congratulations, she found a way to make it far worse.

Also, this woman will spend the rest of her life as a willingly admitted terrorist. The use of violence, or threats of violence, to change political discourse is terrorism. Hopefully she changes her ways while spending time in a federal prison while her kids are raised by their grandmother.

"Wait wait wait! You never explained where the $53,000 came from!"

I couldn't find that. I think it's fictional.

EDIT: Shit, I knew I forgot something. Her husband was found guilty in 1996 for robbing a grocery store and murdering the owner. So add that to the list -- yes, she thought Trump would pardon a murderer.

As always, excellent analysis. The great thing is the SS has it easy in these cases. Even joking about violence against the P/VP is a felonious action.

(I love that the kid confirmed it though, by accident - as always, FL is a joy to read about)

[Beefhammer]

Hey remember all those people Trump appointed into his Cabinet and some of us said "well at least HE will hold Trump back from doing crazy shit" and then Trump fired them all and we were like "oh shit"?

Trump missed a spot.

In Woodward's new book, we have information that Joint Chiefs head General Milley personally intervened in what he feared would be Trump going rogue with nukes.

No, really.



Okay, that's new, but not the point of this post. Yes, China was ready for Trump to do anything from announce more tariffs to launching a military strike.



And if you think that's bad and/or wonder what "safe" means, oh boy, it gets worse.



I mean...look at Trump's public statements since. He still thinks he won.

Incidentally, while I said over and over during Trump's tenure that he was going to start a war with Iran for ratings, and was of course wrong, it wasn't just me. In the above article was a link to this one where that exact fear, after Trump's 2020 loss, was taken to Milley himself.

But let's add to that, shall we? There's more in the book -- Barr calling Team Trump "a bunch of clowns" as the door hit him on the ass on the way out, Steve Bannon was a big part of the Jan 6th planning and yes Trump gave him a pardon possibly as payment for doing so, this horrifying exact quote from Mike Pence "I've done everything I could and then some to find a way around this, it's simply not possible" about overturning the elections, I defended him Jesus Christ what was I thinking -- but let's talk about this part.



This is, once again, where I call upon Trump's supporters here, such as @TexasRules to talk about the Afghanistan withdrawl. Before, I asked "why didn't Trump leave?" and now there's more context. By Jan 15th, Trump had, of course, already negotiated with the Taliban terrorists and signed a deal with them. He had set a date for which he would not be in office, and by Jan 15th, he knew that -- the vote had been certified, despite his best efforts to stop it and remain in power through a murderous insurrection he started. But leaving Trump's murderous insurrection aside, if Trump wanted to leave Afghanistan so much that he negotiated a deal with the Taliban terrorists to do it, and also, had a signed military order to withdraw on his own terms ready to go...why didn't he? Why didn't Trump, who campaigned and ran on the promise to leave Afghanistan, leave Afghanistan, when he clearly had the ability to do so?

You have the usual 24 hours. As per usual, failure to respond means I get to answer for you.

Don't bother with texaslies. He has zero interest in having an honest dialogue. At this point everyone should just ignore him other than telling him to go back to the kids table when he pipes up with his bullshit lies.

[Hollycakes]

WaPo reports that --

"Paywall."

Yeah...anyhow, Florida Woman made death threats against VP Harris on TikTok videos. Well, JPay, but you get the idea.

Good lord.
Am I missing something in this?
So she claims she's not black and didn't swear in on a bible and that's enough to setup V for Vendetta?
This world confuses me.
In my bubble, I forget how angry people are.

[Gorsameth]

Good lord.
Am I missing something in this?
So she claims she's not black and didn't swear in on a bible and that's enough to setup V for Vendetta?
This world confuses me.
In my bubble, I forget how angry people are.

This is what happens you conservative media blasts their consumers full of 'we are at war" propaganda. Liberals are enemies, (not very) vague 2nd amendment threats ect.
You create an audience that turns to violence to settle their political differences.