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    FEC votes 4-1 to end the investigation into Trump/Cohen's hush-money payments during the 2016 election.

    "The vote was 4-1? Wow, I guess no crime was committed!"

    Actually, it's almost the opposite. The FEC had earlier voted 2-2 whether any laws were broken. The Democrats said "Well, Cohen confessed and we have his turned-over documents". The Republicans said "Yes, but he got tried and convicted, so really we don't need to do anything do we?" With such partisan gridlock in place, the 4-1 vote to end the probe was mostly born of frustration.

    As a reminder, the FEC's general council did say that a case should proceed. Again, the Republicans said "No, we'd rather let Trump off the hook."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Run, Giuliani, run. There's nothing left here you can salvage.
    I wonder if there's a need for crooked lawyers in Kremlin? Just asking for a friend... who might need a long vacation trip somewhere around that area.
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    Hey remember when some of Trump's friends tried to crowdsource the Wall and Trump gave them a no-bid contract and then it fell down and they got charged with fraud?

    Good times...good times...

    The leader of We Build The Wall was just charged with cheating on his taxes.

    For, you guessed it, taking the donation money and putting it in his own private bank account. Oh, and then lying to the IRS about it.

    While getting a few thousand in fines isn't the end of the world, if the IRS gets proof that this guy took money from the donation fund and just kept it, those charges of fraud he's facing get a whole lot worse. Just a reminder, not only could Bannon be compelled to testify (pardoned!) but the charges go up to 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I could write up a post citing the sources directly, but, this MSNBC YouTube leads with a hilarious bit with Cohen saying "Good luck getting Trump to pay you, Giuliani!"

    Medium story short, Trump still owes Giuliani back-pay from various 2020 activities. Giuilani has had to let staff go and, as we all know, he's been begging Trump, Trump's campaign, and the RNC for cash. Now, Trump is out of office where the threat isn't impeachment, it's being arrested, tried, and convicted. And Giuliani has only one person he can realistically throw under the bus to cooperate...Trump. (Nobody believes Barr blackmailed Ukraine) As we've also discussed, anything they did together and criminal is not protected by privilege and the FBI already is getting someone to comb through it.

    Trump now faces an ugly choice: Taco Bell or Burger King. But he also has an awkward legal choice. Paying Giuliani would make Giuliani less desperate, but it could also be seen as witness tampering. Or, Trump could refuse to pay even what he contractually owes (or maybe there's no contract for blackmailing Ukraine) and hope Giuliani could take care of himself without flipping.

    Things are not looking good for Giuliani. Dominion is stepping on the gas. It's possible Blackwater was involved, as they were providing security, since Giuliani was not, you know, a WH employee and the SS could not help during GIuliani's...um...ambassador trip, yeah, good luck with that one. A Zelensky aid is using the exact phrase "quid pro quo" in public. And that's all in the last 24 hours.

    Run, Giuliani, run. There's nothing left here you can salvage.
    Now, I'm no corrupt politician, but... I do have to wonder why these fucks bothered sticking their necks out for Trump and basically sinking themselves into these horrid quagmires essentially of their own making. I'd have assumed that ol' Ghouliani was more or less retired, fairly well off, and out of the public eye prior to his involvement in the Trump administration.

    Was it simply greed that drove ghouly here and others to basically wade out into the Trump cesspit until their feet got stuck? Hoping from some grand payoff from Trump or via association with him? None of these people that have either gone down or are teetering on being consumed by the Trump debacle blast zone strike me as particular ideologues who care about pushing some moral position from their newfound place of authority, even if that moral position was a terrible one. I always got the impression that they were always in it for the money.

    Either way, I hope the law comes crashing down on them with full force and fury.
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    It’s time for guess the speaker!

    Can we move forward without President Trump? The answer is no. I’ve always liked Liz Cheney but she’s made a determination that the Republican Party can’t grow with President Trump. I’ve determined we can’t grow without him.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

    Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.
    It's been apparent for years now that the GOP has literally no plan to actually govern and no policy beyond saying "fuck you" to everyone without seven figures in their bank account. This just seems to me like them finally coming to terms with that reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Now, I'm no corrupt politician, but... I do have to wonder why these fucks bothered sticking their necks out for Trump and basically sinking themselves into these horrid quagmires essentially of their own making. I'd have assumed that ol' Ghouliani was more or less retired, fairly well off, and out of the public eye prior to his involvement in the Trump administration.

    Was it simply greed that drove ghouly here and others to basically wade out into the Trump cesspit until their feet got stuck? Hoping from some grand payoff from Trump or via association with him? None of these people that have either gone down or are teetering on being consumed by the Trump debacle blast zone strike me as particular ideologues who care about pushing some moral position from their newfound place of authority, even if that moral position was a terrible one. I always got the impression that they were always in it for the money.

    Either way, I hope the law comes crashing down on them with full force and fury.
    They thought Trump would win a second term. Then a Republican would be #46 for 8 years. They'd sweep the Senate and House. They felt safe thinking they'd never be held accountable. Statute of Limitations? They could wait it out in most cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s time for guess the speaker!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

    Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.
    If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?

    An entire political party tying themselves to one man, because they have nothing to offer by way of truly popular policies, is quite the sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?

    An entire political party tying themselves to one man, because they have nothing to offer by way of truly popular policies, is quite the sight.
    They looked at his numbers in 2020 as growth because he did drive turnout. The problem they fail to acknowledge is that the same thing driving their turnout also drives turnout against it. It’ll be interesting to see how they treat any potential Trump challengers if he does decide to run instead of just taking the fundraising money and running. And if he DOES cut and run mid-cycle with nobody serious opposing him… then again, it seems like he truly wants to take back the office and then attempt to remain in power until he dies to avoid any legal consequences he’s currently facing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    If they could grow with Trump, he'd have won a second term, surely?
    Seeing as Florida was just joined by Texas in implementing new voting restrictions, they are conceding they can’t win elections. What they need, is someone who would convince enough people that voting can’t be trusted. No one has been as successful as Trump, in doing just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They looked at his numbers in 2020 as growth because he did drive turnout. The problem they fail to acknowledge is that the same thing driving their turnout also drives turnout against it. It’ll be interesting to see how they treat any potential Trump challengers if he does decide to run instead of just taking the fundraising money and running. And if he DOES cut and run mid-cycle with nobody serious opposing him… then again, it seems like he truly wants to take back the office and then attempt to remain in power until he dies to avoid any legal consequences he’s currently facing.
    Well, he's already pocketing any money being donated, which is why he refuses to just outright say he's running.

    And given that he's currently a private citizen, would anything against him now just get put on the back burner if he was elected President again? Or could they still be pursued?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Seeing as Florida was just joined by Texas in implementing new voting restrictions, they are conceding they can’t win elections. What they need, is someone who would convince enough people that voting can’t be trusted. No one has been as successful as Trump, in doing just that.
    I think they've known for a long time that they don't win elections without doing all they can to restrict, suppress and just outright cheat, tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Well, he's already pocketing any money being donated, which is why he refuses to just outright say he's running.

    And given that he's currently a private citizen, would anything against him now just get put on the back burner if he was elected President again? Or could they still be pursued?


    I think they've known for a long time that they don't win elections without doing all they can to restrict, suppress and just outright cheat, tbf.
    When he’s President he’d argue his job doesn’t let him deal with this shit and it’d be back burnered.

  13. #72953
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s time for guess the speaker!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...82019738521600

    Lady G admitting the GOP is committed to fascism and their one true leader. Video in link, but when your political movement is entirely tied to someone like Trump you may as well just openly admit you desire the death of democracy.
    So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL
    More likely by the time the election comes he'll be 77/78 and likely won't all be there even more so, mentally and especially physically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    When he’s President he’d argue his job doesn’t let him deal with this shit and it’d be back burnered.
    Good point, well made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    So, has it occurred to Lady G, that the person he thinks the GOP can't live without, might very well end up in jail? Then what? LOL
    First, he’d likely only get house arrest as the Secret Service finds it hard to protect someone in jail. Second, he can still run. There’s nothing disqualifying about being a convicted felon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Article in question.
    Politico really making me question them recently.


    No, I wasn't sure where to actually put this.
    Politico's job is to report the counterargument to "Biden should ignore Doocy because Fox is basically the propaganda arm of the Republican party." Which, to their credit, they distill to "Biden’s team wants to avoid the combative, disruptive attitude his predecessor took toward the media. They also acknowledge that Peter Doocy is a proxy for a huge audience, or a sizeable slice of it anyway, that still might be reachable with Biden’s message. By engaging with Fox, a president who campaigned on unifying the country stands a better chance of getting through to voters he wants, and ultimately might need."

    Any news site should report on plans not involving writing off the most popular cable network in the country and their dedicated audience. I say this even if Politico doesn't have a single writer or editor that thinks it's the right move. Their audience would be misinformed to think Biden/Psaki has no reason to keep calling on Doocy and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Politico's job is to report the counterargument to "Biden should ignore Doocy because Fox is basically the propaganda arm of the Republican party."
    Why is that their job? I thought they covered political news, not one reporters desperate attempts to portray themselves as a victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Why is that their job? I thought they covered political news, not one reporters desperate attempts to portray themselves as a victim?
    Certain reporters had been pushing Biden's press office to stop taking questions from Doocy at Fox News. They should report on the the other considerations that might have led the administration to decide otherwise. And they did decide otherwise, or have up to this point.

    They should really consider a different business if their readership is left without a written clue to Psaki and Biden's decision making.
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