Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Thepersona]

Your assumption is incorrect because I didn't quote the entire article. The family tried calling hospitals with ECMO machines. Sorry for the confusion.

Aren't ECMOs like, super expensive compared to regular ventilators?

[Shadowferal]

I keep seeing "ECTO" here...

[Breccia]

Aren't ECMOs like, super expensive compared to regular ventilators?

Yes, because they're ridiculously complicated. As pointed out earlier:

I would assume that most of the hospitals said no for the obvious reason that they don't have an ECMO machine.

Incidentally that citation appears to be this WaPo article from April 2020 which, yeah, that was some rough shit. They said 264 hospitals have them. Maybe more hospitals have them, but not like 10x as many.

These things don't just shove air down your throat (oversimplification I know) they remove the blood from your body and add oxygen cell by cell. They're amazing. But they're expensive. In 2014 they cost about $550,000.

"Wow, that's an expensive machine!"

Um...no. That's the cost to be put on one. These things are super advanced and require round-the-clock care by experienced, trained technicians. It's such a niche skill that finding a technician might be more difficult than finding the machine -- like, where would they train?

Respirators, by contrast, are everywhere. Obama left Trump a bunch in reserve, Trump said he didn't but Trump lied of course. And they're a pretty basic machine in comparison...hell, anything short of a nuclear sub is...so finding them is far simpler, and training on them is nearly mandatory.

[postman1782]

I thought for sure this was photoshopped, but narp.

TheWrap: Tucker Carlson Roasted for ‘Man is a Danger to the Country’ On-Air Graphic

Nope, 100% happened live on air.

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Sometimes drinking coffee infront of a monitor and a keyboard isn't a good idea. Thanks for that.

You are welcome.

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Saw this on TYT but just as a screenshot makes this even more funny, knowing that this is real.
Plus Carlson has this resting doofus face, you can't make this shit up.

He always has that face, because he knows that he is lying all of the time. He even admitted to it, and people are still stupid enough to believe him.

[Forogil]

Incidentally that citation appears to be this WaPo article from April 2020 which, yeah, that was some rough shit. They said 264 hospitals have them. Maybe more hospitals have them, but not like 10x as many.

Sort of, I got it from WikiPedia - and that WaPo article cited USAToday, https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/h...rt/1439787001/ that got their data from ELSO; that currently lists 7-8 hospitals in Florida. (So it all checks out, but they surely don't make it easy to find the facts.)

And it also indicates the slow growth by saying that the numbers had doubled - compared to 2008.

[Breccia]

And it also indicates the slow growth by saying that the numbers had doubled - compared to 2008.

Doubling every 11 years is six percent growth or so. Considering it's life-saving equipment and trained users in hospitals, I agree that sounds slow.

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This is an OP ED, but the author deals with specific figures found from people who know what they're talking about.

I'll save you the read and go straight for the punchline: the intentional choice of tens of millions of Americans to refuse the vaccine, causing a hundred thousand or more Americans to die, is costing the US a fortune in addition to the deaths themselves.

The bottom line? The delta variant is projected to claim 120,000 American lives over the second half of this year, and this surge will reduce the annualized rate of GDP growth by one percentage point. Overall, U.S. GDP in 2021 will fall by around $70 billion. This represents a very small share of the United States’s $23 trillion economy, but it nevertheless dwarfs the direct hospitalization costs of the delta surge, and represents an implicit tax of about $210 for every man, women and child in the country.

Trump supporters will blame Biden for the drop in GDP. Well, those that survive will. I'm calling this behavior out ahead of time to point out that it's bullshit. You can't shoot youself in the foot, then blame the cops for failing to stop you.

[PhaelixWW]

Another backlog day, another 1059 dead Floridians, sacrificed upon the altar of the cult of death.

In the last seven days, the state has added an average of 376 deaths each day, the highest ever reported, according to Herald calculations of CDC data.

[Breccia]

"the highest ever reported"

The highest ever reported so far.

[PhaelixWW]

The highest ever reported so far.

Stop stealing this Thursday's news!

[gondrin]

Stop stealing this Thursday's news!

Needs to come with a spoiler tag. Now I won't have a made up shocked pikachu face.

[Breccia]

Trump's lethal outbreak has now killed more Americans than the 1918 flu it's often comared to.

[Rasulis]

Another backlog day, another 1059 dead Floridians, sacrificed upon the altar of the cult of death.

Both Florida and Texas are trying their very best to surpass California total Covid death number. Can't let California be #1 on anything. Talk about overachiever.

[PhaelixWW]

Trump's lethal outbreak has now killed more Americans than the 1918 flu it's often comared to.

No, no, that can't be...

I was told that: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

[Benggaul]

Both Florida and Texas are trying their very best to surpass California total Covid death number. Can't let California be #1 on anything. Talk about overachiever.

Texas is closing in, but Florida is still far behind. Florida is, however, within 5k of passing New York, one of the hardest-hit states at the start of the pandemic before anyone knew anything about combating it and the example Trumpers always try to hold up as "liberal states handling the pandemic poorly".

Texas passed them LONG ago.

EDIT: In terms of deaths per 100k population, however, they ALL passed California ages ago. California is ranked in the 30's as far as that goes. Florida is up at 12.

[Hollycakes]

You're forgetting that nothing under Trump was Trump's fault but everything under Biden is Biden's fault silly.

[s_bushido]

You're forgetting that nothing under Trump was Trump's fault but everything under Biden is Biden's fault silly.

I'm sure that there are plenty who would argue that it is Biden's fault because it's been his term for several months now. Sounds intuitive, but it ignores the reality of the situation. Which is to be expected of the right in this country.

[Hollycakes]

So after reading more of that article about Trump's 3rd favorite son, I have to laugh.
This bit:

"But, I mean, they weaponized the entire system in this country," he added. "They've weaponized the DOJ. They've weaponized our military. They weaponized the educational system in this country. They've weaponized the medical system in this country. The Democrats weaponize absolutely everything they can to use against their political opponents."

This is pretty rich.
All of us can probably think of instances of Trump alone doing these very things.
Not to mention past republicans.
Not to mention weaponizing the presidency.
Not to mention weaponizing elections.
So fucking funny hearing him mention using things against their political opponents too as if:
A: That's a new thing for either party
&
B: Trump isn't doing these very things even to this day.

They literally weaponize anything they can if it suits their agenda, even to oust their own.

Birth certificates?
Check.
Being captured in war?
Check.
Public Health?
Check.
Ashli Babbitt's death?
Check.

The irony is absolutely lost on Tweedledum and his followers.

Also, this plus the global cabal of election riggers, the infrastructure package and the vax rollout etc. seems to be a lot of action for those "radical do nothing democrats".
So which is it.
They are incompetent and do nothing.
Or
They are global masterminds using "weapons" of mass destruction.
Can't be both.

[Breccia]

"But, I mean, they weaponized the entire system in this country,"

Again, tough talk from someone whose father doesn't pay people, and uses high-priced lawyers to crush them when they sue for what they're contractually owed. That sounds like weaponizing the courts to me.

Or, maybe don't defraud the government.

[Ursus]

No, no, that can't be...

I was told that: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

Well when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to 0, that's a pretty good job we've done.

[Breccia]

Wells Fargo is looking for the door. They loaned Trump a $100 million mortgage for Trump Tower, but recently, occupancy has dropped and therefore the collateral's value has dropped, under 80% which I guess is some kind of fiscal threshhold. And as I've pointed out, residents that fled have also stiffed Trump and not paid months' worth of rent.

Trump has $950 million in debt due in the next four years. Also, the murderous insurrection soured some of the holding banks, meaning they have no incentive to give Trump any second chances or leeway. Trump is going to need to seriously skim those fundraising accounts to stay above water.