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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Finish him!
    Babality!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Anyone else, this guy would be in jail.
    That's kinda the point of criminal probes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Trump Org investigation now a criminal investiation
    Indeed this is the case. (Get it?)

    Attorney General Letitia James has been investigating whether the Trump Organization falsely reported property values to secure loans and obtain economic and tax benefits.

    "We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature," Fabien Levy, a spokesman for the attorney general's office, said in a statement.

    "We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA," he said.

    James has been investigating whether the Trump Organization inflated the values of some properties to obtain better loans, and lowered their values to obtain property tax breaks.

    Separately, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance has been investigating Trump’s pre-presidency business dealings for more than two years.

    Vance’s office has said in court filings it was investigating "possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct" at the former president's Trump Organization, including tax and insurance fraud and falsification of business records.

    Vance's probe began after Trump's former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen paid hush money to silence two women before the 2016 election about claimed sexual encounters with Trump.
    I'm not 100% sure the difference between civil and criminal, but I'm fairly sure this means it's not just the faceless company that is in trouble. Actual human beings could go to jail for Trump and his supporter's favorite crime: fraud.

    EDIT: I should add, I don't know how his taxes figure into this. Did the probe expand because of his taxes? Because "I lied and cheated on my taxes for 20 years" would be a pretty good reason to fight like hell to keep them from the public, the law, and the House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Man, I'm sure Trump is upset. Now there will be a chicken shortage and how will he get his KFC now? Won't anyone think of the 11 herbs and spices.

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    Trump also demands the House's investigation into the murderous insurrection look into a bunch of unrelated issues.

    unless the murders, riots, and fire bombings in Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, Chicago, and New York are also going to be studied...
    As most of us have said and all of us have accepted, Trump and the rabid fanbase are desperate for any investigation into their direct, personal role into inciting a murderous insurrection. Although, at this point, I think it would be 100% fair for Biden to just say "the DoJ will just handle it themselves". I mean, the Department of Justice investigating a massive, organized, terrorist attack on the nation's legistlators makes perfect sense to me. I know the rabid fanbase would call it partisan or revenge or something, but that's exactly what a guilty terrorist would say when they're being investigated for being a terrorist and have no valid excuse.

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    If Trump is still claiming he won and is a billionaire... why did he take a voluntary 65k pension? Wasn’t he supposed to reject a salary?

    Trump has claimed $65,500 in taxpayer-funded presidential pension since leaving White House
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1849381.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Wasn’t he supposed to reject a salary?
    He said so, "only" taking millions poured into his businesses, the paid golf vacations, the legal assistance in keeping people from seeing evidence of his crimes, Hatch Act violations in which he and his family promoted their own products and businesses, and of course, everything the RNC gave him which he paid to himself and the whores he had sex with.

    I wonder if there's a Constitutionally-backed means to end his pension if he's found to have committed multiple felonies.

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    Since we don't have a 2020 election thread and cases are still ongoing I'll just post here, since only Trump supporters are still filing claims despite losing sixty of them in court.

    Wel...sixty-one now.

    Michigan Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer dismissed a case brought by a voter in in rural Antrim County who said that fraud had taken place in the November contest, ruling that an audit conducted by the Michigan secretary of state’s office satisfied a state law that provide’s avenues for voters to request such counts.

    “By deciding this motion, the court is not saying that there were no problems in the way that Antrim County conducted its November 2020 elections. The clerk has admitted that there were challenges and problems in the elections, although the hand count ultimately of the presidential election showed results largely consistent with the canvass totals that were entered by the state and reported by the county,” Elsenheimer said in delivering his ruling.

    "I am saying that, as pled, the plaintiff’s request for an audit is not available."
    As a reminder, Trump spoke on this very case last week. I would have posted about it in the election thread, but we don't have one.

    While Trump does not specify exactly what he was referring to in his statement, there is an election lawsuit currently being heard in Antrim County.

    The claim, filed by Antrim County resident William Bailey, alleged that there are more than 1,000 "phantom ballots" that were not included in the Michigan secretary of state's database.

    According to court filing, there were 15,962 ballots counted in December, but only 14,901 votes shown, meaning "they do not exist on the voter rolls."

    However, the claim, which is likely to be thrown out along with all the other suits disputing the election results, will not make a difference even if proven correct.

    According to certified results, Trump won 9,748 of the votes in Antrim County, compared to 5,960 for Biden. Even if the so-called "phantom ballots" were found and counted, they wouldn't even affect the overall results.

    Biden won the state of Michigan and its 16 Electoral Votes by more than 154,000 votes, or 3 percentage points, in November. More than six months later, there still has not been any evidence of widespread voter fraud that would alter the outcome.
    Will a judge's legal ruling end the shrilling of the rabid fanbase? Probably not. But since Trump and the rabid fanbase continue to claim there was election fraud, despite having no evidence of such, and continue to get court rulings saying "no there isn't" and that continues to remain relevant and important, I guess I'll keep posting those here since we don't have an election thread anymore.

    Has the Michigan State Senate started their review of the Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 yet, or are they about to start? If not, they should be run out of office.
    -- Donald Trump, head of the Republican Party, just last week

    Trump has proven his ability to get people he doesn't like thrown out of office also as recently as last week, meaning that he's continuing to run the show and continuing to make the 2020 election relevant. I'd talk about it more in the 2020 election thread, but we don't have one.

    "Okay, we get it. You're saying MMO-C shut down the thread too soon."

    Actually kind of the reverse. This is a video game forum, and even in here the 2020 election thread went on for a month or two past inauguration. The issue is Trump, continuing to try to make the fraud nobody can find the big issue because otherwise he'd have to admit he lost fairly.

    Or his supporters. Who seem to have more or less fled, so, we don't have an answer from them, either. But you know the rules: a known Trump supporter is assumed to follow Trump unless they specifically say otherwise. Therefore, all Trump supporters who dare to crawl out from their bunker, probably sniffing and with running mascara, will be assumed to say the election was fraudulent because Trump says it was fraudulent, and has been saying so as recently as last week. And, since we don't have a 2020 election thread, I'll be doing it whenever and wherever they show up.

    In fact, I think that's now the response to literally anything literally any Trump supporter says on these forums until they, or Trump, admit Trump lost fairly. Trump wants to make the constant issue how the election was stolen from him? Fine. His supporters get to discuss that, and only that, until the issue is resolved.

    I invite everyone to join with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Indeed this is the case. (Get it?)



    I'm not 100% sure the difference between civil and criminal, but I'm fairly sure this means it's not just the faceless company that is in trouble. Actual human beings could go to jail for Trump and his supporter's favorite crime: fraud.

    EDIT: I should add, I don't know how his taxes figure into this. Did the probe expand because of his taxes? Because "I lied and cheated on my taxes for 20 years" would be a pretty good reason to fight like hell to keep them from the public, the law, and the House.
    From what I've gathered, it seems this new development has to do with the Martin act, and would put specific parts of this criminal cases' jurisdiction out of the DA's hand and into the AG's. And hey it's the 100 year anniversary of it being passed, so what better way to celebrate it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump also demands the House's investigation into the murderous insurrection look into a bunch of unrelated issues.



    As most of us have said and all of us have accepted, Trump and the rabid fanbase are desperate for any investigation into their direct, personal role into inciting a murderous insurrection. Although, at this point, I think it would be 100% fair for Biden to just say "the DoJ will just handle it themselves". I mean, the Department of Justice investigating a massive, organized, terrorist attack on the nation's legistlators makes perfect sense to me. I know the rabid fanbase would call it partisan or revenge or something, but that's exactly what a guilty terrorist would say when they're being investigated for being a terrorist and have no valid excuse.
    I mean, trump can demand whatever he wants. But I’d imagine at this point that said demand doesn’t amount to a whole hill of beans.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Jokes on them: the ballots were fed to pigs, and the pigs were then atomized by the space lazers.
    Jewish Space Lazors VS Bacon Bois.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    ~73000 posts in this thread.

    Made me think of that Trump managed half that amount as false or misleading claims while in office alone.
    Wonder what amount he will have reached in office and the time leading up to next presidential inauguration
    Fox News Media is proud of our 2020 election coverage, which stands in the highest tradition of American journalism, and we will vigorously defend against this baseless lawsuit in court," the media company said in its response.
    Equally outrageously hilarious as sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Indeed this is the case. (Get it?)



    I'm not 100% sure the difference between civil and criminal, but I'm fairly sure this means it's not just the faceless company that is in trouble. Actual human beings could go to jail for Trump and his supporter's favorite crime: fraud.

    EDIT: I should add, I don't know how his taxes figure into this. Did the probe expand because of his taxes? Because "I lied and cheated on my taxes for 20 years" would be a pretty good reason to fight like hell to keep them from the public, the law, and the House.
    Criminal usually has a risk of jail while civil cases are typically just about financially compensating the harmed party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump also demands the House's investigation into the murderous insurrection look into a bunch of unrelated issues.



    As most of us have said and all of us have accepted, Trump and the rabid fanbase are desperate for any investigation into their direct, personal role into inciting a murderous insurrection. Although, at this point, I think it would be 100% fair for Biden to just say "the DoJ will just handle it themselves". I mean, the Department of Justice investigating a massive, organized, terrorist attack on the nation's legistlators makes perfect sense to me. I know the rabid fanbase would call it partisan or revenge or something, but that's exactly what a guilty terrorist would say when they're being investigated for being a terrorist and have no valid excuse.
    Nah, he’s right on this one. We need to form a commission to look into police brutality… I know that’s not what he means, but that’s what looking into those demonstrations would actually entail. We also need to look into Trump’s use of federal agents, who weren’t wearing ID, in his response to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    That's kinda the point of criminal probes.
    Weve known he is a criminal for years now, his university and charity were frauds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    said demand doesn’t amount to a whole hill of beans.
    Hmm. Where's Cheney?

    Related: where's Pence?

    The GOP is purging non-Trumpians and the majority of their voters think Trump won the election. Trump still runs the party.

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    We've seen this before, but it's happening again.

    FOX News files to dismiss defamation lawsuit with an excuse we've heard before: "We didn't create the lie that Dominion committed mass election fraud, Trump did, we just covered it with a fanatical zealousness and zero context. We can't be faulted for presenting an objective lie over and over as if it was the truth."

    As I (and others) have said before and will keep saying it, because this is a new filing, I actually kind of hope this works. The reasoning? Giuliani and the Kraken's defense so far appears to be "nobody should take us seriously when we filed all those court cases". FOX News is saying "we took them seriously". I want FOX News' court filings to be used in evidence against Trump and his lawyers. If a major news organization, or FOX I guess, says under oath that what Trump and his lawyers say should be taken seriously, what little defense they have is crushed.

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    Surprising nobody, the House GOP digs further into their objection to a Jan 6th investigation within a few hours after Trump said they should do it. No really @Kaleredar Trump is still in charge.

    To be fair, when House Minority Whip Scalise said that every Republican should vote against it, there were two factors this time.

    1) The baseball shooting, now classified as a terror attack probably solely for this excuse to work, and
    2) The sheer number of other investigations currently underway by the FBI and others.

    That new second excuse would be fine in a lot of circumstances, but for the House to say "We'll defer to the FBI" is a dumb idea. Because the FBI is likely to say "This was a massive organized effort solely by the Republican Party and Trump" and they'll have accepted that preemptively. They only way they can deflect from the results of an investigation is if they're in charge of it. They have a better shot starting their own, then objecting to everything to turn it into a circus. That way, they can get the public to handwave the FBI's investigation before it concludes, since their voters are easily distracted by shiny objects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Hey, if Republican Reps. want to spend their entire salary on metal detector and mask fines, they're more than welcome to.
    You can bet they aren't paying those fines - they will find a way for either campaign donations or tax payer provided funds to be used.

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    Tuesday's report:

    27,506 new cases, about 8k fewer than last Tuesday.

    Top 7:

    Fuck Florida.
    Texas: 2,679 new cases; 42 deaths
    Pennsylvania: 1,629 new cases; 36 deaths
    Michigan: 1,535 new cases; 87 deaths
    Illinois: 1,495 new cases; 29 deaths
    California: 1,232 new cases; 25 deaths
    New York: 1,159 new cases; 43 deaths

    Firstly, yes, Florida remains on top. Second, the reason I listed 7 is because only 7 states reported more than 1k cases on Tuesday. I'm sure that number will go up during the rest of the week because that's how it tends to go, but it's a good start. The whole reason I switched to the "Top 5/10" format in the first place was because there were too many states with more than 1k cases to list without going through nearly all 50. The vast majority of states are now listed as "medium" risk with about a dozen remaining in the "high" risk category. None are in the "very high" or "severe" categories. 20 states have at least 50% vaccinated (1 or more dose).

    733 deaths is about the same as last Tuesday and brings the total to 601,330. Florida topped the chart here as well with just under 100 deaths. Michigan wasn't far behind.

    Related news:

    The South could still become a summertime Covid-19 hot spot

    The concern isn’t about another nationwide surge, but potential state or local spikes. That’s because southern states, including much of the Sun Belt and especially the Deep South, face three distinct disadvantages this summer that other parts of the country don’t.
    1) Lower vaccination rates
    2) Higher temperatures
    3) Lower adherence to precautions
    Is anyone surprised?

    Stay safe, folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    2) Higher temperatures
    But Benggaul! Didn't Trump say that higher tempah fuck it.
    Last edited by Breccia; 2021-05-19 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Tuesday's report:

    27,506 new cases, about 8k fewer than last Tuesday.

    Top 7:

    Fuck Florida.
    Texas: 2,679 new cases; 42 deaths
    Pennsylvania: 1,629 new cases; 36 deaths
    Michigan: 1,535 new cases; 87 deaths
    Illinois: 1,495 new cases; 29 deaths
    California: 1,232 new cases; 25 deaths
    New York: 1,159 new cases; 43 deaths

    Firstly, yes, Florida remains on top. Second, the reason I listed 7 is because only 7 states reported more than 1k cases on Tuesday. I'm sure that number will go up during the rest of the week because that's how it tends to go, but it's a good start. The whole reason I switched to the "Top 5/10" format in the first place was because there were too many states with more than 1k cases to list without going through nearly all 50. The vast majority of states are now listed as "medium" risk with about a dozen remaining in the "high" risk category. None are in the "very high" or "severe" categories. 20 states have at least 50% vaccinated (1 or more dose).

    733 deaths is about the same as last Tuesday and brings the total to 601,330. Florida topped the chart here as well with just under 100 deaths. Michigan wasn't far behind.

    Related news:

    The South could still become a summertime Covid-19 hot spot



    Is anyone surprised?

    Stay safe, folks.
    Ninja for life here. Too many anti-vaxxers for me to risk catching some new mutation my Pfizer shots don’t work on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    But Benggaul! Didn't Trump say that higher tempah fuck it.
    Well, the problem being that in this case the temperatures usually get so high that people retreat indoors to where it's air-conditioned--and perfect for spreading diseases among people who refuse to get the vaccine or observe any safety precautions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Fuck Florida.
    Have you been keeping up on the case of Rebekah Jones, the one who claimed that Florida was fudging all these numbers?
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...wer-who-wasnt/
    Yes, I know, national review ... but a lot of more mainstream press is retweeting this, and if you actually read it, it kind of makes the case that Rebekah pretty much made the whole thing up. here's a few points:
    In order to increase the numbers in Florida’s case count, Jones counts positive antibody tests as cases. But that’s unsound, given that (a) those positives include people who have already had COVID-19 or who have had the vaccine, and (b) Jones is unable to avoid double-counting people who have taken both an antibody test and a COVID test that came back positive, because the state correctly refuses to publish the names of the people who have taken those tests. Likewise, Jones claims that Florida is hiding deaths because it does not in*clude nonresidents in its headline numbers. But Florida does report nonresident deaths; it just reports them separately, as every state does, and as the CDC’s guidelines demand. Jones’s most recent claim is that Florida’s “excess death” number is suspicious. But that, too, has been rigorously debunked by pretty much everyone who understands what “excess deaths” means in an epidemiological context—including by the CDC; by Daniel Weinberger, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health; by Lauren Rossen, a statistician at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics; and, most notably, by Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida, who, having gone to the trouble of making a video explaining calmly why the talking point was false, was then bullied off Twitter by Jones and her followers.

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