Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Thepersona]

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Number of COVID-19 hospitalizations drops below 1,000 in LA for first time in months--California in general has been doing very well during this most recent wave in stark contrast to their past Winter. I guess it helps to have a governor who isn't a complete fucking moron pandering to Trumpers.

Scott Gottlieb: Delta Covid Wave Could Be the ‘Last Major Surge’ of the Pandemic--There are a number of health experts making this claim, but I don't have their faith (and other health experts also urge caution). I'm still fairly sure we'll see another fucking awful wave during the Fall/Winter, but boy would I love to be wrong.

Few COVID-19 vaccinated patients need intensive care--This is just reinforcing what we already knew, but it's nice to see the data continue to back it up as time goes on.

Stay safe, folks.

From what i've gathered, the possibility of delta being one of the last strains that cause major surges is partially explained because the virus has not much room left to mutate into a more contagious form (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02275-2). Now, i could've very wrong about this, but the gist of it is that threre're trade offs and with the enormous evolutionary pressure that covid has (via vaccine programs) it has to "work" fast.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57431420

[Benggaul]

Forgot to add this to my post:

Mother of four who proudly proclaimed her anti-vax status dies of COVID

Every fucking time.

Since her death, Lowery’s Facebook account — which features a profile picture of her with the caption “unmasked, unmuzzled, unvaccinated, unafraid...Together we win” ― has gone private.

I'm sure that'll look great on her tombstone. My condolences to the children; her I have no sympathy for.

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From what i've gathered, the possibility of delta being one of the last strains that cause major surges is partially explained because the virus has not much room left to mutate into a more contagious form (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02275-2). Now, i could've very wrong about this.

That's one of the points raised, but as other health experts have said there's still a huge portion of unvaccinated among the US population, let alone the world. It's a bit foolhardy to say we'll be fine from here out when that's the case:

Turn the page on Covid-19? Not so fast, say experts

Less than two percent of the world's poorest populations have received even a first dose of vaccine, noted Flahault, director of the University of Geneva's Institute of Global Health.

"In certain places -- eastern and central Europe, Africa, Asia, Israel, Canada, El Salvador, Belize -- cases are increasing exponentially, so we can't say the pandemic is behind us," he said.

Even in rich, well-vaccinated countries showing a downward trend, things could reverse, experts caution.

As the northern hemisphere approaches winter, people will once again gravitate toward large, indoor gatherings that boost circulation of the virus.

"We have to be careful of the situation in Europe and North America as we enter the middle of autumn," says Sofonea.

"What we know about this pandemic is that it is unpredictable," added Flahault.

"No one foresaw the appearance of the Delta variant in India last spring, even though we feared that kind of thing might happen."

And while it's unlikely we'll see a more dangerous variant than Delta at this time, it's not impossible. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm pretty fed up with seeing us throw up our hands in victory before the finish line and trip over our own feet.

[Breccia]

"unafraid"

This is the one it keeps coming back to. And it's fucking stupid.

"I refuse to live my life in fear!"
"Do you have a gun?"
"Of course I do!"
"For what reason?"
"Why to protect myself from crime and tyranny!"
"That sounds like fear. Hey, do you stop for red lights?"
"Of course I do!"
"Why?"
"Well someone might be coming the other way and I might get in an accident. Or I could get a ticket."
"That sounds like fear. Do you cook poultry, or eat it raw?"
"OH COME ON! You're intentionally misrepresenting obvious causes of injury or death and widely-known common-sense easily-done methods to avoid them!"
"Yep. I am indeed. The walk-in health centers are that way."

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Actually I'm not done with that analogy.

So far in 2021, there have been over one hundred accidental fatal shootings by children. That's really restrictive, that's not just "all gun deaths" or "all accidental gun deaths" but those done by children.

Anyone worried about untested vaccines, that is their new benchmark. Find proof that the vaccines killed 100 people. I don't think they will, but until they do, "a kid finds your gun and kills you with it" is a more likely cause of death than "vaccine kills me".

[cubby]

Fortunately, not all of the people who had delayed their doses are anti vaxxing nutjobs. Here at my job one of my colleages delayed her shot because she had Guillain Barre Syndrome when she was a child (she finally was vaxxed with a single dose vaccine). Now, those people are the tiny, TINY minority of fellas who have delayed or outright dont want to be inoculated.

But yeah. When ICU/ERs are full, people WILL die on the sidewalk. If not from covid, they can die from a heart attack, or from hepathic cirrhosis (yeah, that's what happened here). Basically, whenever ICU are at capacity, pray that you dont get an obligatory visit to said place, as you may die waiting.

Of course there are valid exceptions for medical issues, just like you mention above - and thank you for pointing that out, I was remiss in not doing so myself.

[Lanrefni]

Of course there are valid exceptions for medical issues, just like you mention above - and thank you for pointing that out, I was remiss in not doing so myself.

My neighbor is violently allergic to at least one of the vaccines ingredients,what really sucks is so are both of his kids,both still under 6.

[alexw]

They would literally rather die. Not figuratively. Literally.

Go check out this site on reddit and read some of the stories of the people put up there. These anitvaxxers are completely out of their minds. There's no saving them at this point.

[Fugus]

Find proof that the vaccines killed 100 people.

From the last time I read it, the total global death count from the vaccines was at 7 individuals. 6 from blood clots and 1 from heart swelling.

So the rate of death is REALLY low.

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/florida-ban-sa...803e1044f.html

Eyyy, Florida's Sanctuary City ban is gone. Guess why?

Because it was racist as shit and was crafted in-part by anti-immigrant hate groups. That's not me saying that -

“Allowing anti-immigrant hate groups that overtly promote xenophobic, nationalist, racist ideologies to be intimately involved in a bill’s legislative process is a significant departure from procedural norms,” Bloom wrote. “This involvement strongly suggests that the Legislature enacted SB 168 to promote and ratify the racist views of these advocacy groups.”

"These discriminatory motives are made evident from the historical and ongoing pattern of racial discrimination by law enforcement and the growing reliance on an immigrant threat narrative to justify the enactment of anti-immigrant legislation across the nation," the judge wrote.

Now it wasn't a total loss for DeSantis, local law enforcement must comply with ICE requests to detain folks.

DeSantis is appealing this, because I imagine he's more upset at the implication that he's a racist than he is for any policy reason.

[Thepersona]

From the last time I read it, the total global death count from the vaccines was at 7 individuals. 6 from blood clots and 1 from heart swelling.

So the rate of death is REALLY low.

7 deaths from 5+ billion doses, mind you

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-asks-...he-won-1632089

And now Trump wants audits of more states...that he won...like Texas...

Wat

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-asks-...he-won-1632089

And now Trump wants audits of more states...that he won...like Texas...

Wat

He just wants to keep his Big Lie in the news cycle. He has to go to states that have GoP leadership in order to get something like this done, and you know what they say about Texas: Everything Lie is Bigger in Texas!

It's not about actually overturning the 2020 election anymore (if it ever was).

[solinari6]

He just wants to keep his Big Lie in the news cycle. He has to go to states that have GoP leadership in order to get something like this done, and you know what they say about Texas: Everything Lie is Bigger in Texas!

It's not about actually overturning the 2020 election anymore (if it ever was).

I think it still is ... they are trying to normalize audits in EVERY state, to help put pressure on those particular states they are interested in.
"See, it's not a partisan thing at all, we are auditing states we know we won! It's about election integrity!"

[Breccia]

And now Trump wants audits of more state

@PhaelixWW is correct. He doesn't want a recount. He might want people to think every vote is rigged. But I think it's just a public excuse to change the rules to make it harder for brown people to vote. Abbott's also being ruined in the polls because of all the death he caused, and won't need much of an excuse to launch a taxpayer-funded distraction.

[cubby]

Go check out this site on reddit and read some of the stories of the people put up there. These anitvaxxers are completely out of their minds. There's no saving them at this point.

The worst part is that their insanity will end up killing children. Those fucking cowards really ought to be taken out back and...educated.

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Lying whore caught stealing campaign funds. What a shock - the Grifters Of Politics are shitty thieves.

[Edge-]

Lying whore caught stealing campaign funds. What a shock - the Grifters Of Politics are shitty thieves.

But she paid them back quickly! I mean, she just couldn't afford to make those payments on her own, what with her husbands undisclosed 6-figure income from his work in the energy sector.

[Benggaul]

It's not just COVID. Trump's death count extends to another statistic: murder.

Just to quickly tag on this, McEnemy tried blaming this on Biden in a Tweet but then had to delete it after it was pointed out to her that it actually happened under Trump.

Kayleigh McEnany deletes tweet blaming Biden for a 2020 spike in murders that occurred under Trump

Former White House press secretary and Fox News contributor Kayleigh McEnany deleted a tweet blaming President Joe Biden for a spike in U.S. murders that occurred under her former boss, then-President Donald Trump.

As CNN's Brian Stelter noted, McEnany quote-tweeted a post Thursday morning from Axios reporter Lachlan Markay that highlighted a New York Times graphic showing a significant surge in the number of US murders in 2020 to her 1.1 million followers.

She wrote: "The U.S. murder rate under Joe Biden..." about the graphic before deleting the tweet, presumably after realizing that Trump was president that year.

"The best people..."

[Belize]

Lying whore caught stealing campaign funds. What a shock - the Grifters Of Politics are shitty thieves.

Chances of real repercussions are next to 0.

[alexw]

The worst part is that their insanity will end up killing children. Those fucking cowards really ought to be taken out back and...educated.

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Lying whore caught stealing campaign funds. What a shock - the Grifters Of Politics are shitty thieves.

To be honest there isn't that many dead children (thankfully) but there is a hell of a lot of orphans and newly created one parent households with 3+ kids. Shows how much they care about their children that they put their politics above making sure they are there to raise them. Party of family values my ass.

[Drutt]

Since her death, Lowery’s Facebook account — which features a profile picture of her with the caption “unmasked, unmuzzled, unvaccinated, unafraid...Together we win” ― has gone private.

Seems like she did, in fact, get tired of winning. Dead tired.

[AntiFascistVoter]

PSA: Never get high with a right-wing or left-wing conspiracy nut. Nothing harshes on your buzz more than "that guy".