Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

... unless it's Exhibit A in a psychiatric evaluation.

If "I believe the election was stolen without evidence" is enough, we'll need 74 million more padded cells.

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Abbott, still waiting on SCOTUS to rule in his favor Turmp-3, says "By the way, it includes abortion-inducing medication too".

[Breccia]

Memo shows Trump lawyer's six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election.

Should be a much bigger story

Especially these parts:

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court.

The word for this is "dictatorship". If you're allowed to challenge votes against you, and then using evidence of those challenges (not the results, the challenges themselves) to claim there are no valid electors, then you are proving democracy doesn't matter.

By the way, Pence isn't getting respect for this, in the same way I don't respect someone who doesn't kick a puppy. Fucking Joker doesn't kick puppies, and he's about as Chaotic Evil as it gets. Failing to do something deplorable doesn't make you a good person, it just means that you have a limit and didn't cross it.

In a sense, Pence is lucky he didn't do this. Whether he just had a line he didn't want to cross, or saw that doing this would make things worse, doesn't really matter. But imagine if he had done this, flat-out declared Trump the winner because reasons. Imagine the immediate backlash from every single nation ally of ours. The UN, for example, would have every reason to declare this a dictatorial power grab and expel the US instantly. Then there's the issue of Milley and one would assume others, watching Trump do an illegal power grab, saying "You know what, fuck this" and siding with the rest of America against tyranny. Also, we've already seen even Trump's SCOTUS appointees aren't 100% Kool-Aid drinkers, and imagine if they'd said "No, you can't do that." Now Pence, Trump, and a lot of his allies are on the record officially trying to seize power illegally. That's textbook treason. Arrested. Tried. Executed.

Remember, every single claim of fraud so far has been laughed out of court. There would be no good-faith basis for Pence to declare the states invalid. It's possible Trump waited until Pence let enough of the 7 States go past him to know he wasn't onboard, then wound up a murderous insurrection to drag him into the streets and lynch him.

Now, normally I would say "Woodward has proven himself a trusted source of factual information and I believe him when he says this is true". But this is blatant objective treason we're talking about here. If that memo was actually written and sent, it needs to be found and turned over to the murderous insurrection committees. Should that happen, hopefully, we can find which law that plan broke...or if it's not technically illegal to conspire to commit treason, shore up the rules to prevent that from happening ever. Basically, "my power is absolute" needs to have a giant red asterisk written next to it. A Vice President throwing out votes that aren't for him with no factual basis needs to be prevented.

To put it another way: let's assume Obama/Biden saw the results in 2016 and did the same thing?

"Well there weren't 26 blue states--"

Not the point. What if Biden had said "Florida and Texas are too close to call, plus Some Guy On Twitter said he saw a white guy in a hoodie moving boxes, I'm throwing them out, my close personal friend Clinton wins"? Republicans would have been livid, and rightly so. That's not America. That's not even Mexico.

If this memo exists, it must be found and made public. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind seeing Graham, Lee, and Pence under oath testifying to exactly this situation. They'll refuse, and we'll immediately know what that refusal means.

[Benggaul]

Monday quickie report:

86,072 new cases; 746 deaths, bringing the total to 694,619. Not including Florida. Cases are way down over last week and the week before, but are still higher than the highest peak of the previous Summer and more than double the total on this date last year. We're not in good shape heading into the fall.

There is good news on the horizon:

Pfizer says its Covid jab safe for children aged 5-11

It will still take time for emergency approval and distribution, but this is an important step.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

Monday quickie report

Hey that's what I call it when Graham's wife and I--

There is good news on the horizon:

Pfizer says its Covid jab safe for children aged 5-11

This is good news. I'm putting the cart before the horse here, but if schoolchildren can be vaccinated before the holidays, it will make returning from the holidays a much lower spike than last year.

[PhaelixWW]

Here's a special Fuck Florida double-header:

USA Today: Florida man dies of COVID-19 just minutes before his first grandchild is born

A Florida man died from COVID-19 this month just 20 minutes before his first grandchild was born.

Shane O’Neal, 40, died from COVID-19 at approximately 3:30 a.m. on Sept. 3. His daughter, Kylie Dean, gave birth to her son, Preston, at 3:49 a.m. the same morning.

Dean, an ICU nurse, told USA TODAY that her father was “super excited” about the birth of his first grandchild.

“Every time he’d go to the store, he’d pick up some baby clothes or baby toys,” she said.

But her father, who was from the Jacksonville, Florida, area, tested positive for COVID-19 last month and was hospitalized for his symptoms. Dean said her father was not vaccinated against COVID-19, but he was scheduled to receive his inoculation the same week he tested positive for the virus.

Miami Herald: Florida’s next surgeon general opposes mask, vaccine mandates

Gov. Ron DeSantis announced a new surgeon general for Florida on Tuesday, a Harvard-trained doctor who advocated for an approach to the coronavirus pandemic that emphasizes protecting individual rights over community-based precautions.

Dr. Joseph Ladapo, a UCLA researcher who expressed skepticism of vaccines to end the pandemic, said Tuesday that he would “reject fear” as a public health strategy.

“Florida will completely reject fear as a way of making policies,” Ladapo said. “That’s been something that’s been unfortunately a centerpiece of health policies.”

As surgeon general, Ladapo will oversee the state’s Department of Health, Florida’s lead agency on combating the coronavirus pandemic. He replaces Dr. Scott Rivkees, a pediatrician whose last day was Monday.

Ladapo indicated on Tuesday that he’ll play a more prominent role than Rivkees, who was noticeably absent from public appearances over the last year.

Since the start of the pandemic, Ladapo has penned op-eds in the Wall Street Journal challenging main assertions by national health experts.

On Tuesday, he told reporters he wanted to address the “climate of mistrust” among the public about the nation’s coronavirus response, which has been a consistent theme of DeSantis’ since the start of the pandemic.

“That was a direct result of scientists, my colleagues, some of them, taking the science and basically misrepresenting it to fit their agendas,” Ladapo said. “This idea that people don’t get to make their own decisions on issues of health is wrong, and it’s not something that we’re going to be about.”

When asked whether the state should be promoting vaccines on Tuesday, Ladapo replied that too much emphasis had been placed on vaccines.

“The state should be promoting good health, and vaccination isn’t the only path for that,” Ladapo said. “It’s been treated almost like a religion, and that’s just senseless.”

He said the state should be supporting many measures for good health: “vaccination, losing weight, exercising more [and] eating more fruits and vegetables.”

Like, the words... I don't even...

[Edge-]

Like, the words... I don't even...

What the fuck does, "reject fear" even mean?

We removing seatbelt laws because those are for cowards?
Food safety standards because we're not a bunch of sackless cucks?
Traffic laws because those are for the spineless?
Banning night lights for children because that's for pussies?
Mandatory horror movie screenings to get people to overcome their fears?

Medical licensing boards really do seem like they could use a revisiting, because there are clearly a lot of licensed medical professionals who are issuing disturbingly bad medical "advice".

[s_bushido]

What the fuck does, "reject fear" even mean?

Well, since apparently Florida is a state that can't vote to eject their governor prematurely, they don't have to fear being replaced for another ~year and a half. Plenty of time to murder thousands more people in the name of "Freedom!"

[Edge-]

Well, since apparently Florida is a state that can't vote to eject their governor prematurely, they don't have to fear being replaced for another ~year and a half. Plenty of time to murder thousands more people in the name of "Freedom!"

Not gonna lie, I'm genuinely curious for the 2022 elections to see how the covid deaths impact voting in some of the slightly purple-ish states. Have Republicans managed to kill off enough of their base to lose power? Tune in on Nov. 2020 to find out!

[Poopymonster]

What the fuck does, "reject fear" even mean?

These inDUHviduals won't be motivated by fear into doing anything.
*ALSO*
These inDUHviduals need to take a gun with them to Publix in case Antifa tries to inject Gay Isis into Nascar.

[Fugus]

What the fuck does, "reject fear" even mean?

We removing seatbelt laws because those are for cowards?
Food safety standards because we're not a bunch of sackless cucks?
Traffic laws because those are for the spineless?
Banning night lights for children because that's for pussies?
Mandatory horror movie screenings to get people to overcome their fears?

Medical licensing boards really do seem like they could use a revisiting, because there are clearly a lot of licensed medical professionals who are issuing disturbingly bad medical "advice".

Wouldn't these views of his be grounds to get him banned from practicing in the healthcare profession? Hell, that would call the credibility of his college of choice into question if they graduated someone that stupid.

[s_bushido]

Not gonna lie, I'm genuinely curious for the 2022 elections to see how the covid deaths impact voting in some of the slightly purple-ish states. Have Republicans managed to kill off enough of their base to lose power? Tune in on Nov. 2020 to find out!

If this ends up having any impact on voting think it might come down less to the raw bodycount and more to the friends and families of the deceased getting a wakeup call that fuckers like DeSantis don't care whether or not they live or die. We'll see. Because hundreds of thousands had died in the lead-up to the 2020 elections and Trump still received the 2nd most votes of a presidential candidate ever. The right in this country is broken, but not in a way that will prevent people from coming out and voting against their own well-being. At least not yet.

[Edge-]

Wouldn't these views of his be grounds to get him banned from practicing in the healthcare profession? Hell, that would call the credibility of his college of choice into question if they graduated someone that stupid.

One would hope, but given that "demon sperm makes you infertile" lady still has a medical license, I'm skeptical.

I get the concern, policing personal views of doctors can get dangerous very quickly, but this is like...fairly straightforward shit.

[Rasulis]

Here's a special Fuck Florida double-header:

Like, the words... I don't even...

It's Florida.

Biden vaccine push so far has failed to increase COVID shots delivered in Florida

President Joe Biden's recent push to encourage more people to get the COVID-19 vaccine has failed to move the needle much locally or statewide so far.

Latest data from the Florida Department of Health shows that the number of people getting their initial COVID-19 vaccination in Brevard County fell for the seventh straight week.

The figure was 2,407 during the week of Sept. 10 to Sept. 16. That's less than one-third of what it was during the week of July 30 to Aug. 5, when 7,610 people in Brevard got their first shot.

Similarly, statewide figures have steadily fallen from 290,769 first doses during the week of July 30 to Aug. 5 to 122,315 first doses during the week of Sept. 10 to Sept. 16.

Brevard-based state health officials and the county's emergency management director expressed concern about the falling numbers during the Brevard County's latest COVID-19 briefing on Friday.

We know a fifth wave is coming.

[Fugus]

One would hope, but given that "demon sperm makes you infertile" lady still has a medical license, I'm skeptical.

I get the concern, policing personal views of doctors can get dangerous very quickly, but this is like...fairly straightforward shit.

Yeah, very concerning and completely devalues the worth of a Medical license in America.

[Levelfive]

Not gonna lie, I'm genuinely curious for the 2022 elections to see how the covid deaths impact voting in some of the slightly purple-ish states. Have Republicans managed to kill off enough of their base to lose power? Tune in on Nov. 2020 to find out!

They don't care about killing their own voters or anyone else since a) they're sociopaths b) they and everyone close to them is vaccinated and has the best health care taxpayer money and frozen fish fiefdoms can buy c) they will likely successfully gerrymander / install lackeys at various steps of the election infrastructure d) if they can prolong the pandemic enough and wholesale shift blame to Biden for the case numbers and deaths, they can probably pick up enough dissatisfied "independents" to make up any difference.

[Lenonis]

Miami Herald: Florida’s next surgeon general opposes mask, vaccine mandates

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He said the state should be supporting many measures for good health: “vaccination, losing weight, exercising more [and] eating more fruits and vegetables.”

What is a shame here is that lost in the wharblegarble is a decent point. The path to good health is indeed more than just vaccination -- the american public would benefit a ton from losing weight, exercising more, and having a good diet.

What's unfortunately is this is CLEARLY just an attempt to cater to the "I'm healthy so I don't need a vaccine" crowd which is false false false. Because EVEN if that were true the vaccine isn't just about you stupid. You are also protecting others. Something conservatives seem to be absolutely unable to grasp...the idea that you should do something beneficial for others even if you don't directly benefit. Completely foreign to them.

[Levelfive]

Especially these parts:



The word for this is "dictatorship". If you're allowed to challenge votes against you, and then using evidence of those challenges (not the results, the challenges themselves) to claim there are no valid electors, then you are proving democracy doesn't matter.

[...]

To put it another way: let's assume Obama/Biden saw the results in 2016 and did the same thing?

"Well there weren't 26 blue states--"

Not the point. What if Biden had said "Florida and Texas are too close to call, plus Some Guy On Twitter said he saw a white guy in a hoodie moving boxes, I'm throwing them out, my close personal friend Clinton wins"? Republicans would have been livid, and rightly so. That's not America. That's not even Mexico.

If this memo exists, it must be found and made public. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind seeing Graham, Lee, and Pence under oath testifying to exactly this situation. They'll refuse, and we'll immediately know what that refusal means.

I'm sure when Kamala pulls this definitely Constitutionally-sound stunt, they'll all rally around her in full-throated defense. No, of course she won't, and no, of course they wouldn't. And yes we knew this was their plan, but seeing it in cold, calculating black and white like this is another matter entirely. As to Pence, it was Dan Quayle who saved democracy. Dan. Quayle. And to be perfectly frank, I can't tell if that's the final proof that I invented this entire timeline, or final proof that I didn't.

ETA: Just going to say again that buy-in from conservative elites and intellectuals is a necessary component of ascendant fascism.

[Breccia]

Like, the words... I don't even...

1) Which fruit kills COVID again?
2) "people don't get to make their own decisions on issues of health" yeah bullshit, Florida has a seatbelt law. Name a non-medical reason for that.

[Lenonis]

"people don't get to make their own decisions on issues of health"

I just flat out don't understand this "logic". What medical degree did everyone magically since covid started? Since when are people even remotely well informed enough to diagnose and treat illness?

There has never been a point in 99.999% of people's lives that we make our own decisions on issues of health.

[Breccia]

What medical degree did everyone magically since covid started?

I mean, maybe it was there before but we didn't see it because it wasn't a suicide pact? Regardless, it would be interesting to see this in other areas. "A cast and crutches? Nah, give me some vitamin C and I'll be okay."

Also, the option everyone's choosing to take is "get sick, nearly die, then take random shit from a veterenarian, Joe Rogan, or ECMO sci-fy cyborg machine". If vaccines were going to microchip you, you'd have MMReceived it by now.