Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[cubby]

Or a mother released from jail who cast a provisional vote because she thought she was allowed to, but her voting rights actually didn't come back for two more months so she was sentenced to more YEARS in jail.

It's precisely why systematic racism in the U.S. is such a prevalent issue, and is generations still from going away, if ever. This situation should be the poster child for what is wrong with American. But I digress.

The real issue here with these new voter laws in TX, aside from literally keeping the browns and blacks from voting, is that now the police can arrest people for violating these SCOTUS upheld laws. Give someone water in a 100 degree 6+ hour voting line? Jail time. Accept water/food while in line? Jail time. Misunderstand the voting laws (that the people who write them don't understand) and vote incorrectly? Jail time.

This is how a state that was sliding Blue retreats into Red.

[Edge-]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-grisham-book

I'm not necessarily saying I believe everything Grisham wrote but...man does a lot of it seem to check out and make perfect sense. Trump is a fucking child, literally.

The British prime minister was “one of the few European leaders Trump seemed to tolerate”, Grisham writes. “Conversations between those two, both pudgy white guys with crazy hair, redefined the word random.

“Johnson once told us over breakfast that Australia was ‘the most deadly country – spiders, snakes, crocodiles and kangaroos’. Then they discussed how powerful kangaroos were at considerable length.”

Truly an important topic that required a face-to-face discussion between world leaders.

Also, this gem -

Grisham also writes that Trump told Imran Khan, the prime minister of Pakistan, that “India reminded him of California with all of the homelessness”.

Trump really is just America's id with no superego to act as a filter.

[cubby]

As pointed out earlier, the lawyers who filed that did a "WHOOPS my bad!" and tried to yank it back. Maybe. But yes, two chemicals that sound the same doesn't mean shit. Ferric oxide and ferrous oxide might only be a few letters off, but try making thermite with the wrong one and your welding career ends with some colored smoke.

And that's very telling - that the attorneys tried to withdraw it, because they probably knew sanctions were a possibility.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-grisham-book

I'm not necessarily saying I believe everything Grisham wrote but...man does a lot of it seem to check out and make perfect sense. Trump is a fucking child, literally.

The British prime minister was “one of the few European leaders Trump seemed to tolerate”, Grisham writes. “Conversations between those two, both pudgy white guys with crazy hair, redefined the word random.

“Johnson once told us over breakfast that Australia was ‘the most deadly country – spiders, snakes, crocodiles and kangaroos’. Then they discussed how powerful kangaroos were at considerable length.”

Truly an important topic that required a face-to-face discussion between world leaders.

Also, this gem -

Grisham also writes that Trump told Imran Khan, the prime minister of Pakistan, that “India reminded him of California with all of the homelessness”.

Trump really is just America's id with no superego to act as a filter.

Fucking imbeciles. Total fucking idiots. Holy shit.

And just as a comparison, when Obama had a free evening while traveling in Europe and meeting with European leaders, he had a casual dinner with scientific leaders from CERN and other physicists, to discuss the topic.

I wonder if someone like Obama could ever win the White House again.

[Poopymonster]

And that's very telling - that the attorneys tried to withdraw it, because they probably knew sanctions were a possibility.

Is this one of those things automatic things, or does the judge have final say? "We'd like to withdraw" on what grounds? "We're goddamn idiots. LOL." ...legally I have to let you, so go away fuckers.

[cubby]

Is this one of those things automatic things, or does the judge have final say? "We'd like to withdraw" on what grounds? "We're goddamn idiots. LOL." ...legally I have to let you, so go away fuckers.

It depends entirely on the jurisdiction's procedures and rules. Typically, however, you can withdraw a suit without penalty, especially if it was recently filed and hadn't been acted upon outside the filing.

I mean, ideally, we want that in our legal system. If someone legitimately screws up, we want them to be able to fix it on their own, without tying up the legal system unnecessarily. Unfortunately, what we've seen, is that the Trumpkins/GOP/Conspiracists are taking advantage of these situations and making a good situation bad.

[Breccia]

As reported on this thread before, some NY teachers sued the state to block the vaccine mandate. They've been ruled against, but the mandate was held back while the appeal was continuing.

SCOTUS just ruled against the teachers. The mandate will return.

[Ursus]

As reported on this thread before, some NY teachers sued the state to block the vaccine mandate. They've been ruled against, but the mandate was held back while the appeal was continuing.

SCOTUS just ruled against the teachers. The mandate will return.

Good. The vast majority of teachers are vaccinated at this point, and for the ones who are dumb enough to be anti-vaxxers, they have no business trying to educate children anyway.

[Hollycakes]

In BoJo's defense:
Have you ever seen a buff roo?
Fucking terrifying.
I too am afraid of Oz.
Also, he's fairly educated, hard coming up with topics Trump can understand.

Chimps.
Roos.
KFC.
Escorts.
You know, the usual.

[Poopymonster]

In BoJo's defense:
Have you ever seen a buff roo?
Fucking terrifying.
I too am afraid of Oz.
Also, he's fairly educated, hard coming up with topics Trump can understand.

Chimps.
Roos.
KFC.
Escorts.
You know, the usual.

2 words. Drop Bears.
Simon Adebisi is also an acceptable answer.

[Hollycakes]

2 words. Drop Bears.
Simon Adebisi is also an acceptable answer.

!!!!!
Had to look him up.
Love that actor!!!
Mr. Echo was the best character on Lost.
And can I just say these entries on the wiki for the dropbear is one of the best things ever;
Advice on how to avoid:

"having Vegemite or toothpaste spread behind the ears or in the armpits, urinating on oneself, and only speaking English in an Australian accent."

See, right up Trumps alley.
Fucking aussies lol.

Updated:
Not sure if this has been posted.
https://centerforpolitics.org/crysta...-trump-voters/

Main thing I wanted to point out is:
"Roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union."

[Ursus]

Main thing I wanted to point out is:
"Roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union."

As much as I hate to say it, I'm just about to that point too. Time to let these fuckers crash and burn from their worship of ignorance and degeneracy without the rest of us having to prop them up.

[Benggaul]

As much as I hate to say it, I'm just about to that point too. Time to let these fuckers crash and burn from their worship of ignorance and degeneracy without the rest of us having to prop them up.

I don't know about all the states, but Texas can absolutely fuck right the fuck off and enjoy another deep freeze while Cruz goes on a cruise. And if Florida broke off and fell into the ocean I'd only miss Disney World.

[Hollycakes]

Weird how all it took was Trump to bring back what the civil war started.
Sorry, not weird.

[Benggaul]

Teacher Says COVID Vaccine is 'Gene Therapy' in Nine-Minute Rant to Students

Wow, man, you'd think a teacher of all people would know better than--

art teacher

Ah, that explains it.

Olson said in the footage: "I feel that it's unconstitutional. I will never, ever, ever inject my body with something that is experimental. It doesn't qualify as a real vaccine. It's gene therapy."
...
Olson, who Newsweek was unable to reach, said in a later clip: "I am willing to lose my job for this because I know that it's unconstitutional and I know that justice is going to be served and I don't think that a lot of these people above me understand that they're committing a crime."

Alexa, play "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam.

[Breccia]

"I am willing to lose my job for this because I know that it's unconstitutional"

Art teacher, you say? Do tell.

SCOTUS literally spoke on the matter today, about teachers. Mrs. Olson does not know more about the Constitution than SCOTUS. She's free to press charges or sue but...yeah, it's not going anywhere.

[Masark]

Mrs. Olson does not know more about the Constitution than SCOTUS.

He might know more on that subject than at least two of the justices on that court.

[Hollycakes]

Hey now, I was THIS close to becoming an art teacher full time.
Yes a BFA is useless, fight me.
Also, kids make shit art.
Not all artists are idiots though.
Nor do we all have blue hair and are vegan.
Also, fuck off <3
I see your stereotype and reject it!
/hulksmash

[Ursus]

art teacher

Olson said in the footage: "I feel that it's unconstitutional. I will never, ever, ever inject my body with something that is experimental. It doesn't qualify as a real vaccine. It's gene therapy."
...
Olson, who Newsweek was unable to reach, said in a later clip: "I am willing to lose my job for this because I know that it's unconstitutional and I know that justice is going to be served and I don't think that a lot of these people above me understand that they're committing a crime."

Seeing as how she's an art teacher, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume she has ingested/smoked/injected all sorts of wacky substances into her body over the years, but for some reason this fully-approved vaccine is the one bridge she will not cross.

[bladeXcrasher]

Trump’s America, where anti-mask morons quote “famous politician” Adolf Hitler to justify why they shouldn’t be forced to follow dress codes.

Pakman is correct, this sort of performative shit this father made his daughter do is literally child abuse.

Kid shows up in a mask btw. Kinda shows how BS it all was.

[Breccia]

" it’s not their job to make sure witnesses are credible before using them to build their case"

I would love to hear that as well, in the meantime, I will guess.

If a witness passes every check there is, makes it to the stand, then suddenl on the stand says "Hah hah! Surprise! I was lying and fooled all of you!" I don't think the lawyer would be blamed. This...is not that. Giuliani, Powell, and the like intentionally sought out baseless claims, presenting either "eyewitness" testimony that turned out to be nothing, or actually presenting rumors as evidence. And as the clip says, Giuliani admitted under oath he did no checking at all -- not even meeting the witnesses.

I would assume there's some kind of "smell" test, like with pornography -- the judge knows it when they see it. This is why they're already facing sanctions.

Now, that was general context. The Dominion lawsuit goes further. I took a quick look around, and apparently, "defamation" requires the plaintiff, Dominion, show that
1) Giuliani made a statement of fact that he claimed was true
2) But the statement was false
3) And ignorance is not an excuse (negligence counts as defamation)

Giuliani, by filing those lawsuits, can no longer hide behind "I was quoting someone else" or "I was just joking". He said them as if they were true, he filed a court case based on his claim they were true.

Every single court case failed. No evidence supporting Giuliani's claims survived the harsh light of day.

And he admitted negligence under oath, as the clip shows. Dominion can subpoena communications to try to prove Giuliani knew it was false. And by "can" I mean "they did it months ago". I don't know what they found, but of course, just kidding they found out Giulani knew they were false the whole time.

By the time the news conference occurred on Nov. 19, Mr. Trump’s campaign had already prepared an internal memo on many of the outlandish claims about the company, Dominion Voting Systems, and the separate software company, Smartmatic. The memo had determined that those allegations were untrue.

Read the internal memo here, also NYTimes link.

According to emails contained in the documents, Zach Parkinson, then the campaign’s deputy director of communications, reached out to subordinates on Nov. 13 asking them to “substantiate or debunk” several matters concerning Dominion. The next day, the emails show, Mr. Parkinson received a copy of a memo cobbled together by his staff from what largely appear to be news articles and public fact-checking services.

Even though the memo was hastily assembled, it rebutted a series of allegations that Ms. Powell and others were making in public. It found:

• That Dominion did not use voting technology from the software company, Smartmatic, in the 2020 election.
• That Dominion had no direct ties to Venezuela or to Mr. Soros.
• And that there was no evidence that Dominion’s leadership had connections to left-wing “antifa” activists, as Ms. Powell and others had claimed.

As Mr. Coomer’s lawyers wrote in their motion in the defamation suit, “The memo produced by the Trump campaign shows that, at least internally, the Trump campaign found there was no evidence to support the conspiracy theories regarding Dominion” and Mr. Coomer.

It is highly likely that info will come up, which means Giuliani now faces this triple threat:
1) Sanctions for bringing those cases to court in the first place, and
2) The Dominion lawsuit, which as I explained above (maybe even correctly) Giuliani just forfeit under oath by admitting negligence, but
3) It could be worse, it could be proven he lied under oath -- because he did look into them and did find out the claims were false.

Look, I will admit Giuliani and Powell are in a bad place, even as they get no sympathy because they put themselves in a bad place of their own free will. But just like Alex Jones, because of his words and actions, what choice did he realistically have left?
a) He could claim that he looked into the claims and found them credible, which again, that memo would instantly disprove. Perjury.
b) He could admit he looked into the claims and found them baseless, but he pushed them anyhow. "My client asked me to" is not a legal defense, just like "I was only following orders" or "the nice man on the interwebs said horse dewormer is safer than the vaccine". Those sanctions go up, and Dominion drives home in Giuliani's car with every cent of Giuliani's money.
c) And since both of those are death traps, that leaves claiming he didn't look into them at all. At this point, why not?

If you commit a murder and run home to hide, and the SWAT guys start bashing your door in, your poor choices mean you're down to three options: try to shoot your way out (dead) surrender (jail) or hide, sobbing like a child, cowering in the dark, praying they somehow don't find you while every fluid made by man leaks out of every hole in your body and maybe some new ones.

Knock knock, Giuliani.

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In addition to his lawsuit, Trump files a motion in court asking a Florida judge to remove Trump's ban on Twitter, claiming that Twitter was coerced by Congress.

Not a single word on that document is true, except maybe Trump's name. Not only does Twitter have a contract Trump signed, also, I don't think Florida has any authority here anyhow.

EDIT: Apparently it is a federal judge, so, I don't think the "Florida" part is all that important anymore.

But the best part? In the filing

Over the weeks that followed, Twitter allowed the Taliban to tweet regularly about their military conquests and victories across Afghanistan. The Taliban’s Twitter account is active to this day,

Wow, that...sounds like Trump is admitting the Taliban are bad people. Didn't he negotiate with them directly? On purpose?