Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lewand...im-to-the-curb

fuckin lol

Lewandowski tried to get them to pay him hundreds of thousands to resign from and go away quietly, thinking he had leverage. Fuckin nope, they didn't even leave that loser on read. They just fuckin dropped his ass.

At least now we know where the "Make America Great Again, Again!" PAC bullshit came from.

God these people are fuckin pathetic.

[Breccia]

Lewandowski tried to get them to pay him hundreds of thousands to resign from and go away quietly, thinking he had leverage.

Technically he did, $6.5 million, wow that's a lot lower than I would have guessed. He was asking for a finder's fee.

They refused.

They would rather leave $6.5 million in a box nobody can open, than give him even 10% of the money he technically raised.

[Kaleredar]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...governor-ducey

*sigh*



Republicans hate kids. Period.

The democrats have made themselves the party of masks, vaccines, and listening to doctors.

Clearly, the republicans have to adopt the opposite stance, no matter the cost. Can't be seen as agreeing with the democrats.

[Breccia]

Chris Hayes predicts Tucker Carlson will quit FOX News.

The theory, is that Tucker Carlson has been showing so many people that quit a job rather than get vaccinated as that job requires and hailing them as heroes, because he's trying to make it look like he's a hero when he leaves. FOX News has a vaccine mandate.

Of course, the obvious response is "Carlson is just a lying hypocrite", which of course he is. But this could be his back door if FOX News is worried about any lawsuits and threatens to fire him -- he could pretend he was being the bigger man and quit "in protest of the vaccine mandate". You know, months after it was applied.

[Kaleredar]

Chris Hayes predicts Tucker Carlson will quit FOX News.

The theory, is that Tucker Carlson has been showing so many people that quit a job rather than get vaccinated as that job requires and hailing them as heroes, because he's trying to make it look like he's a hero when he leaves. FOX News has a vaccine mandate.

Of course, the obvious response is "Carlson is just a lying hypocrite", which of course he is. But this could be his back door if FOX News is worried about any lawsuits and threatens to fire him -- he could pretend he was being the bigger man and quit "in protest of the vaccine mandate". You know, months after it was applied.

Most of these conservative blowhards who are just in it for the money seem to actually get themselves vaccinated. I'd have assumed that Carlson did as well, and just conveniently never told his viewers that he did so that he could keep tossing out scurrilous information about vaccines for easy content.

[Breccia]

I'd have assumed that Carlson did as well, and just conveniently never told his viewers

You appear to be correct. He continues to work at FOX News which has a vaccine mandate, or more realistically, you have to tell FOX News you're vaccinated and they'll take your word for it. Or, you get daily testing. So it's possible Carlson lied to his boss, claimed he had the vaccine when he didn't. If he is caught lying, he'll be fired and sued. He's not that stupid. I suspect he also knows that, if he tests positive, he'll never hear the end of it. Then be fired.

[beanman12345]

Eh, tbh, Tucker isn't really all that special. If he quits they'll just replace him and nothing much will change. I'm surprised they haven't already, they could make so much more ad revenue money by replacing his dumbass.

[Gorsameth]

The democrats have made themselves the party of masks, vaccines, and listening to doctors.

Clearly, the republicans have to adopt the opposite stance, no matter the cost. Can't be seen as agreeing with the democrats.

It sounds like your saying it sarcastically but that is basically what it comes down to.

[DingDongKing]

Eh, tbh, Tucker isn't really all that special. If he quits they'll just replace him and nothing much will change. I'm surprised they haven't already, they could make so much more ad revenue money by replacing his dumbass.

He's extremely influential. I know lots and lots of people who swear by every word of his.

[Gorsameth]

You appear to be correct. He continues to work at FOX News which has a vaccine mandate, or more realistically, you have to tell FOX News you're vaccinated and they'll take your word for it. Or, you get daily testing. So it's possible Carlson lied to his boss, claimed he had the vaccine when he didn't. If he is caught lying, he'll be fired and sued. He's not that stupid. I suspect he also knows that, if he tests positive, he'll never hear the end of it. Then be fired.

No doubt in my mind he is vaccinated. These people are generally not stupid, they know they are peddling lies and don't believe their own bullshit. He will have gotten vaccinated in the first wave.

[DingDongKing]

No doubt in my mind he is vaccinated. These people are generally not stupid, they know they are peddling lies and don't believe their own bullshit. He will have gotten vaccinated in the first wave.

He's 100% vaccinated. The only people who aren't vaccinated - other than for legitimate medical reasons - are just planks.

I mean, think about it. If the vaccine is giving you 5G rays in your blood stream, who wouldn't want network access underground?

[gondrin]

He's 100% vaccinated. The only people who aren't vaccinated - other than for legitimate medical reasons - are just planks.

I mean, think about it. If the vaccine is giving you 5G rays in your blood stream, who wouldn't want network access underground?

Hell, I'll take it over my current cell coverage. T-Mobile is really spotty at times where I live. However, I won't switch because they don't have a contract unless you do payments on a new phone.

[DingDongKing]

Hell, I'll take it over my current cell coverage. T-Mobile is really spotty at times where I live. However, I won't switch because they don't have a contract unless you do payments on a new phone.

I'm in the UK. My contract is £12 per month for 30GB of 5G data. I've taken out the phone with Apple directly.

Got the iPhone 13 Pro. Was due an upgrade this year, my phone was 4 years old. So in total I'm paying £52 for the phone and contract.

If I do the same deal with Vodafone, they charge me £67. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Bodakane]

How do we know Tucker hasn't been vaccinated?

Honestly, what seems more likely:

- A whiney, entitled and pastey coward makes a stand so strong he risks losing millions of dollars at his cushy job?

or

- A whiney, entitled and pastey coward who is so known for lying that his own network says "don't believe him", is lying?

[Beefhammer]

It sounds like your saying it sarcastically but that is basically what it comes down to.

Key and Peele had a great Obama skits about this exactly.

[Levelfive]

It sounds like your saying it sarcastically but that is basically what it comes down to.

They're iron filings automatically polarizing against anything Democrats say or support.

ETA: Of course the vaccine stuff is particularly sinister and inhumane, even for Republicans, since the goal is political advantage through deliberate chaos and death, and then transferring blame for it to Biden.

[Levelfive]

It’s just getting sad seeing them meekly suggest vaccines to crowds that tell them covid isn’t real.

I think that's to feed their "Biden caused vaccine hesitancy so this is all Biden's fault" charade, so they say it once or twice, weather the inevitable boos, and then say, "look, we tried to tell people but Biden and Harris poisoned the well." I think McConnell, polio survivor, has been one of the few consistent voices on the right encouraging people to get vaccinated.

[Breccia]

I think that's to feed their "Biden caused vaccine hesitancy so this is all Biden's fault" charade

This was such a strange strategy to roll with. Nobody is saying "the Democrats tricked me personally, I was a dupe, I was foold and mislead" because, if they said that, they would then have to say "so naturally I got the vaccine, rather than to let the trick continue to work". This is what Republicans are saying, as an excuse for why the Party of Trump is killing themselves. "You tricked them" seems to be the claim, "you Democrats tricked them into not getting the vaccine by proving objectively it was safe and saved lives".

"But Breccia! Surely these same Republicans could just say 'hey get the vaccine, I got it and it's safe and saves lives'. Problem solved."

They...have been. It's possible part of the "you tricked them" that Republicans thought up when they needed a reason their attempts were failing. When they show up at speeches and say "get the vaccine" and get booed, they needed a reason to say "this is somehow not my fault". Or, maybe more reaslitically, "this is Trump's fault but I'll be killed if I say that out loud so I need someone else".

"But Breccia! Trump took great pride in making the vaccine! He made it himself out of Jesus tears and Doritos. This can't be Trump's fault, can it?"

It 100% can. Trump was an anti-vaxxer most of his life, changing his public tune only when there was a deadly outbreak on his tenure. Oh, and then COVID happend after that. However, bear in mind he's been harboring conspiracy theorists and spewing factual misinformation on purpose for some time. He attracted anti-vaxxers who think the government is completely evil, except for Trump, and Trump's not in charge.

Trump very rarely says "get the vaccine" and got booed when telling a crowd of his own followers that. Therefore, because Trump's ego is the most important thing to Trump, he'll stop saying it. He knows he's lost this one, and would rather have people say they love him, than have people be alive due to his own efforts.

He neutered what he could have claimed was his greatest achievement. The Wall? Fell over. Tax cut for the rich? Nobody saw anything. Murderous insurrection? People are going to jail and he's still off Twitter and FB. He took credit for the vaccine which he probably shouldn't have, but, he could have taken more credit. Remember earlier on, where Trump claimed he saved millions of lives? He didn't, he botched every single aspect of the situation and was comparing his numbers against "do nothing" plus 700,000 dead. But saving a few million lives is something he could have pushed on his own rabid fanbase. But...only if they were willing to believe it. They aren't.

The Pew Research Center conclusively demonstrated that those Americans who rely on Trump for news, are the least likely to get the vaccine. Even if it's not causation, that correlation is 100% because of Trump cultivating an audience of the insane.

And what's left of the Republican Party is too afraid to say this. Because even if they could survive the vote loss, they might get murdered. Their only option is to aim the rabid fanbase, proven advocates of violence in politics yes that's terrorism, at someone else.

[Benggaul]

Wednesday's report:

107,987 new cases; about 17k fewer than last Wednesday.

Top 10:

Fuck Florida.
Texas: 11,412 new cases; 364 deaths
Ohio: 6,296 new cases; deaths not reported
New York: 5,854 new cases; 34 deaths
California: 5,698 new cases; 192 deaths
Pennsylvania: 5,058 new cases; 112 deaths
Michigan: 4,835 new cases; 53 deaths
Virginia: 3,919 new cases; 44 deaths
Minnesota: 3,883 new cases; 40 deaths
Wisconsin: 3,613 new cases; 1 death

Texas remains the only state in the nation with over 10k cases, as expected (I keep Florida at the top for being pants-on-fire lying for so long; I'll remove them once they drop out of the top 10) and nationally cases continue declining. As mentioned earlier this week the Great Lakes and Northwest regions are still seeing increases but nothing on the level of Florida/Texas at this point, though the Northwest (Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming) is listed as "Severe" risk along with Alaska. Those are all states with the highest cases per 100k ranging from 76 from Idaho to 124 in Alaska. California, by comparison, remains one of the lowest at around 17 per 100k.

2,102 deaths is around 250 fewer than last Wednesday and brings the total to 727,710. Texas once again broke 300 while Georgia and California came in just shy of 200. Some of that is likely the normal correction from the weekend/early week that usually happens middle of the week, but not all. Things may be getting better but they're still pretty awful.

Related news:

The children left behind: 140,000 kids lost a caregiver to Covid--Likely an underestimation. We continue to see more and more problems arising from the pandemic and they aren't going to go away anytime soon. Get your jabs. Unless you're a member of the GOP and don't give a fuck about kids once they're out of the womb, I guess.

Fired for refusing a Covid vaccine? You likely can’t get unemployment benefits--Get your jabs.

Heart damage plagues COVID survivors a year after infection, study shows--Get your jabs.

Stay safe, folks.

[beanman12345]

He's extremely influential. I know lots and lots of people who swear by every word of his.

It's the timeslot on Fox that's influential, not the person giving the message, since the message is basically the same from whoever gives it. O'Reilly was extremely influential, till he lost that time slot.