1. #73721
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Tell her it's quite alright that she doesn't get the vaccine, that was the Democrats plan all along. Democrats know that everything is political nowadays so by saying vaccines are important they knew Republicans will not take them. Now that half the country is fully vaccinated guess who is not. Guess who will die in greater numbers from now on. The dude who came up with that magnetizing was a Democrat too, it's all part of the plan to only have Dems vaccinated and Republicans dead so they don't even have to cheat in election because there won't be any Republicans anyway.

    /s
    if you can get this theory to fox it may do the country some good as they try to foil the dems‘ plan

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    By all accounts the evidence we’ve got shows it was started before Barr’s time, but I think I also saw that he was pressing for these investigations to wrap up before Trump left office… All three are going to have to face questions about their competency at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Imagine being forced to read a manuscript actually authored by Trump. It’s like some weird form of torture.
    Will it be on par with Vogon Poetry?


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    why would Barr be terrified? Unless he has broken an actual law the best Congress can do is shake their finger at him.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    why would Barr be terrified? Unless he has broken an actual law the best Congress can do is shake their finger at him.
    Well, he could easily be forced into the situation where he must
    1) Tell the truth under oath about all that stuff he did, or
    2) Lie under oath

    I don't believe the WH will protect him from testifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Well, he could easily be forced into the situation where he must
    1) Tell the truth under oath about all that stuff he did, or
    2) Lie under oath

    I don't believe the WH will protect him from testifying.
    Let's say he lies under oath. Then what? Nothing's going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Well, he could easily be forced into the situation where he must
    1) Tell the truth under oath about all that stuff he did, or
    2) Lie under oath

    I don't believe the WH will protect him from testifying.
    4 magic words.
    I
    Do
    Not
    Remember

    And ignoring that, so what if he tells about all the stuff he did?
    Nothing he did is actually illegal. Extremely unethic and unbefitting of a Attorney General but again, so what? Congress has no power over citizen Barr and nothing to forward to the DoJ without a law being broken.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    why would Barr be terrified? Unless he has broken an actual law the best Congress can do is shake their finger at him.
    Depravation of rights under the color of law. Carries up to life sentence. Depends how far they consider the consequences of barr's actions, but it's likely a year prison sentence as no one was harmed or killed directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    4 magic words.
    I
    Do
    Not
    Remember
    Those 4 words aren't as magic as you seem to think. If it can be argued persuasively that you do remember, claiming you don't remember can also be perjury.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Depravation of rights under the color of law. Carries up to life sentence. Depends how far they consider the consequences of barr's actions, but it's likely a year prison sentence as no one was harmed or killed directly.

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    Those 4 words aren't as magic as you seem to think. If it can be argued persuasively that you do remember, claiming you don't remember can also be perjury.
    Except from what I understand the DoJ has the right to subpoena those records. They shouldn't do so lightly, especially for members of congress but they have the right to do so.

    And trying to prove someone does actually remember facts from 3+ years ago in court to get a perjury conviction is going to be a nightmare.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Except from what I understand the DoJ has the right to subpoena those records. They shouldn't do so lightly, especially for members of congress but they have the right to do so.

    And trying to prove someone does actually remember facts from 3+ years ago in court to get a perjury conviction is going to be a nightmare.
    Read what I linked. You can do things that otherwise would be legal, for ill-gotten reasons, and they become illegal.

    Edit: For a different example, a police officer has the right to look up people's information when they pull them over. If they look up that information, then copy it down so they can call them later to try to hit on them, that's illegal. The act of looking it up, an otherwise legal part of their occupation, becomes illegal.

    Double Edit: I'm not saying he's going to be convicted. I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Let's say he lies under oath. Then what?
    Lying to Congress is a felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.
    I cannot imagine how many friends/allies Barr lost while forcing Trump's illegal investigations. He should not expect any professional courtesy when he showed none himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Read what I linked. You can do things that otherwise would be legal, for ill-gotten reasons, and they become illegal.

    Edit: For a different example, a police officer has the right to look up people's information when they pull them over. If they look up that information, then copy it down so they can call them later to try to hit on them, that's illegal. The act of looking it up, an otherwise legal part of their occupation, becomes illegal.

    Double Edit: I'm not saying he's going to be convicted. I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.
    But, we don't have any information about what they did with those records right? Unless they used them for something they shouldn't, like blackmail, there is no crime.

    "We looked hoping to find something but we didn't, the end" is not a crime when the reason for looking (trying to find the leaks) is 'good enough'.

    And Barr is an slimebag devoid of morals, but I don't see him as someone stupid enough to actually break the law for Trump.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Depravation of rights under the color of law. Carries up to life sentence. Depends how far they consider the consequences of barr's actions, but it's likely a year prison sentence as no one was harmed or killed directly.

    Those 4 words aren't as magic as you seem to think. If it can be argued persuasively that you do remember, claiming you don't remember can also be perjury.
    I hope this is the impetus for Garland/Biden to clean house of any/all Trump appointees and hires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Lying to Congress is a felony.

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    I cannot imagine how many friends/allies Barr lost while forcing Trump's illegal investigations. He should not expect any professional courtesy when he showed none himself.
    We know its illegal, I think most are disillusioned any real punishment would come of it.
    "When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    We know its illegal, I think most are disillusioned any real punishment would come of it.
    We've seen repeatedly that Congress doesn't care when people lie to them. Unless it's about getting a blowjob. In which case, "IMPEACH HIM!!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    We know its illegal, I think most are disillusioned any real punishment would come of it.
    Normally, and maybe this time, yes. But remember, Barr could be forced to admit, to Congress, that he was spying on Congress. Even Democrats might take action, considering they were the victims.

  18. #73738
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Even Democrats might take action, considering they were the victims.
    That would require them to be something beyond paper tigers when they have power, a really tall order for them to do. If they actually grow a spine for once in my lifetime, I will be at a loss for words.
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Unfortunately, nothing is going to happen. This Trump appointee who literally investigated political enemies of Trump is ending his term when he would have anyways - end of June. And the rest can pretend they didn't know.

    Felonious actions. Zero accountability. Zero prosecutions. The Trump way. MAGA.

  20. #73740
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Unfortunately, nothing is going to happen.
    Sadly, this is my take. We have at least a handful of Trump officials who have objectively lied and been shown to have lied to Congress over the years but Congress, specifically the Democrats in congress, are too afraid to go after them. Likely because of "bad optics", which is a load of horse shit.

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