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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    The first 1.5 of those years was the criminal trial, though, and he was only found liable in a civil judgment, not a criminal judgment. The civil trial didn't commence until after the criminal trial was over.
    And there are two trials here, too. But it is true they're basically concurrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Out of curiousity, the other lawyers that signed on with her in those cases, how badly could they be dragged in if (or as it sounds more likely WHEN) she does down
    Sanctions are separate from the suit from which they derive. So the attorneys who signed on with Sydney and Rudy will have to see separate sanctions hearings brought up against them. It will be curious if that is actually done - I hope so. I would think sanctions brought against them at a minimum, perhaps a challenge to their license to practice as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'll also be interested in that, but near as I can tell from the articles I've read, Michigan is dragging them all in. This isn't sniper rifle time, this is MIRV grenade time.

    To me and my untrained lack-of-experience, this feels like the Prisoner's Dilemna. If they all pushed the same case for the same client, they're basically either all culpable or none of them are. (It was a crime or it wasn't) In theory, any of them could turn on the other three...except for Powell. Michigan wants her metaphorically dead. Also, I don't think Dominion has sued the other three.

    I don't nonexpertly see how this could be better for Powell. In fact, this seems to make it worse. But if any of those others say "Ok Mr. DA and/or Your Honor, I admit I pushed a federal election-ending lawsuit with the lack of evidence beyond hearsay and Twitter" they lose their license. Or at least, they should. I don't see any reasonable way they can admit that, under oath, and still be allowed to act in good faith as an officer of the court.
    So, interestingly, sanctions hearings are separate from the civil trial Sydney and Rudy are facing. The sanctions are brought about by the Michigan Bar who regulate the licensing of attorneys. While the civil hearing is through the regular civil judicial system. I don't think any of the attorneys have a way out, vis a vis testifying against their fellow signatories. They might - sanctions hearings are weird, and the general rule is that there isn't one - because they differ from state to state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Sanctions are separate from the suit from which they derive. So the attorneys who signed on with Sydney and Rudy will have to see separate sanctions hearings brought up against them. It will be curious if that is actually done - I hope so. I would think sanctions brought against them at a minimum, perhaps a challenge to their license to practice as well.

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    So, interestingly, sanctions hearings are separate from the civil trial Sydney and Rudy are facing. The sanctions are brought about by the Michigan Bar who regulate the licensing of attorneys. While the civil hearing is through the regular civil judicial system. I don't think any of the attorneys have a way out, vis a vis testifying against their fellow signatories. They might - sanctions hearings are weird, and the general rule is that there isn't one - because they differ from state to state.
    Do the sheer number of rejections have any bearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Do the sheer number of rejections have any bearing?
    What do you mean by rejections? Like the number of lawsuits they filed that were rejected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What do you mean by rejections? Like the number of lawsuits they filed that were rejected?
    Yeah. /10char

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah. /10char
    Gotcha - they will probably take into account the number of suits filed that were rejected, and although that in itself isn't the determination of frivolous, I would it will be a major consideration. Also, and this just occurred to me, each separate filing can bring their own sanctions. I'm not sure how many separate suits were filed in each state, but if there were multiple, expect to see sanctions for each suit - which would ultimately lead to harsher penalties, including but not limited to suspension or revocation of license. IMO, the key will be the fact no evidence was ever brought to bear in these suits - still to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    the key will be the fact no evidence was ever brought to bear in these suits - still to this day.
    The media are "required" to get headlines and stories out quickly, following what evidence is available. Even FOX News is protected by this when they say things like "Trump said this horrible falsehood that we're reporting on because Trump said it".

    Lawyers can't do this. Saying things like "we thought it was true" isn't evidence. And Powell wasn't some random defense attorney trying for reasonable doubt. They were pushing a lawsuit, a bigly yuge one, and as such needed to get beyond the 50/50 mark. And she had nothing.

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    Trump claims he made Juneteenth very famous and wonders why "the Blacks" hate him.

    No, really.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/tucke...061847413.html

    Tucker Carlson Outed As Secret Source: Reportedly Dished On Trump, Fox News

    “Mr. Carlson, a proud traitor to the elite political class, spends his time when he’s not denouncing the liberal media trading gossip with them,” wrote media columnist Ben Smith. “He’s the go-to guy for sometimes-unflattering stories about Donald J. Trump and for coverage of the internal politics of Fox News (not to mention stories about Mr. Carlson himself).”

    He wrote that Carlson’s willingness to dish is an “open secret” in Washington.

    Smith said he trades messages with Carlson himself, and said 16 other journalists from outlets other than the Times had all said Carlson has been a source, with three calling him a “great source.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/tucke...061847413.html

    Tucker Carlson Outed As Secret Source: Reportedly Dished On Trump, Fox News
    Oh please let the Trumpsters turn on him. Let one good thing happen this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Tucker Carlson Outed As Secret Source: Reportedly Dished On Trump, Fox News


    This shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. Carlson always felt more like a calculated schemer than an actual conspiracy nutjob. Hannity...did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post


    This shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. Carlson always felt more like a calculated schemer than an actual conspiracy nutjob. Hannity...did not.
    I just fucking hate anyone that would help and try and usher the death of the country just so he can have a TV show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I just fucking hate anyone that would help and try and usher the death of the country just so he can have a TV show.
    Money is a big motivator for people. Don't underestimate it. Look at the cottage industry that started up around Trump and making trinkets or w/e with "Trump" on it to sell. There were entire pop-up stores of Trump merch. You could buy Trump pencils, pro-Trump toilet paper, literally anything. The cult-effect was strong, and a lot of people took advantage of it financially by slapping Trump on any merch they could sell, even people that were politically opposed to him just wanting to make an easy buck. Carlson is just another schiller, who knows if even he believes half of what he puts out, for them it's more about ratings and $ than content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I just fucking hate anyone that would help and try and usher the death of the country just so he can have a TV show.
    Which is worse: someone who sets the world on fire because they want to watch it burn, or someone who was paid to strike the match?

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    In a straw poll of 2024 potential runners DeSantis beats Trump amongst members of a conservative conference.

    There's nothing shocking here, except how logical it is. Trump is too old, fat, and sick to run. He'll be mired in lawsuits or criminal cases. His run was a 3600+ page Shitshow. He murdered 600,000 Americans and counting, which is about 2,000 per day on the golf course. DeSantis has run a large state, and not into the ground (he is running it into the water). Florida isn't the best state in terms of COVID or economy or anything, but it's not the worst either. And while DeSantis has minimal experience, Trump had none.

    So why is this a big deal?

    Trump supporters aren't logical.

    He leads a cult of the rabid fanbase who would rather, in some cases, kill or die rather than admit they were wrong. They act as if he's right about everything even when he objectively lies or fails. His followers stormed the Capital in a murderous insurrection.

    And yet, DeSantis won.

    Now, this could be because this was a conference in which Trump was not attending, skewing the results to more classic Republican. Or, it could be Trump's weakening grip with no Twitter, FB or even that half-quarter-tenth-hearted blog to keep telling his shamen what to do and how to think.

    This isn't a death blow. DeSantis had 75% approval, 71% for Trump. That's low for Trump, but not, like, Cruz low. But any sign that the GOP is moving away from Trump is good for the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump supporters aren't logical
    You don't say?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    But any sign that the GOP is moving away from Trump is good for the country.
    Except this isn't a sign they're moving away from Trump. DeathSantis has been a loyal Trumper the past four years and went all-in for him during the 2020 election and having him in office would be like having Trump again except likely worse. We dodged a bullet with Trump because he's a fucking moron whose narcissism and undeserved arrogance led him from failure to failure his entire term. We've said for a while now that the next GOP candidate will be Trump but with a brain, and DeathSantis is pretty much that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. Carlson always felt more like a calculated schemer than an actual conspiracy nutjob. Hannity...did not.
    The thing about Carlson is he doesn't need the money. So why do it? Fame certainly but I also think he has certain beliefs and those beliefs must be shared with everyone else. Some of that self-righteousness isn't a mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglog View Post
    Money is a big motivator for people. Don't underestimate it.
    Money is THE motivator for people, and everything in existence on this planet. Money is always the main factor/reason for almost anything and everything, especially in the US.

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    Presented without further comment, because, really, what else could I say?

    Trump asked whether COVID-infected Americans abroad could be sent to Guantánamo Bay, book says

    Former President Donald Trump pondered whether COVID-positive Americans abroad could be sent to Guantánamo Bay in the early days of the pandemic, according to a forthcoming book by two Washington Post reporters.

    "Don't we have an island that we own?" Trump queried officials assembled in the Situation Room in February 2020 as COVID-19 was tearing through Asia and Europe. "What about Guantánamo?"

    As Trump explained it to his staff, according to the book: "We import goods...We are not going to import a virus."

    The United States operates the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base and the infamous Guantánamo detention camp, where terrorist suspects are held in austere conditions, in the Caribbean nation of Cuba.

    The officials in the room were shocked at the suggestion to quarantine Americans in Guantánamo, according to the book, and scrapped the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Except this isn't a sign they're moving away from Trump.
    We'll disagree a little on this. Anyone who is not Trump, is not Trump. Cults don't have vice-leaders. DeSantis won't have the draw Trump will by his name alone.

    Yes, if DeSantis gets in power, it's going to be worse, as DeSantis was at least competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Presented without further comment, because, really, what else could I say?

    Trump asked whether COVID-infected Americans abroad could be sent to Guantánamo Bay, book says
    Expose title: "Affliction Rendition: The Pandemic Edition".


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