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    Interesting Trump quote from the past, lol.

    The indictment was brought by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani. Then-businessman Trump blamed Leona Helmsley — who'd been dubbed "the queen of mean" — for her husband's troubles in a letter that was obtained by the New York Post.

    "Without the veil of Harry Helmsley, you would be a non-entity. You would not be able to randomly fire and abuse people in order to make yourself happy," Trump wrote of Leona Helmsley. "What has happened to the legendary Helmsley reputation is indeed sad."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...tent=algorithm

  2. #74142
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Where are you seeing that? Because it was my understanding that Trump was that person.
    https://twitter.com/stridinstrider/s...78279367954433
    Tom Winter via MSNBC:
    "Unindicted coconspirator #1 is NOT Donald Trump."
    but really, who knows?

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    I noticed the are advertising gettr with pictures of young attractive women. Is the full name of the social network gettr by the p*ss*?
    Last edited by Kryctos; 2021-07-01 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That kind of tax evasion includes enough jail time to Weisselberg incarcerate until death. I hope he turns, as some of those checks written were signed by Trump himself, which means Trump is already culpable.

    More updates:


    Now, its possible that Weisselberg is falling on his sword for Trump, to protect the rest of Weisselberg's family from Trump's wrath if Weisselberg flips. If W does that, falls on his sword for Trump, he might be able to argue that he lied to Trump and told Trump that nothing was wrong, thereby preventing Trump from sharing culpability in the crimes. I am guessing here, just to be clear.


    Yeah, and this is exactly what they were up against with Enron. They needed the money man to flip, and flip he did. But as you said, Trump signed the checks, there is some culpability here, and this is a multi step process, they've gone through the taxes, this is just a taste of what they have against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Yeah, and this is exactly what they were up against with Enron. They needed the money man to flip, and flip he did. But as you said, Trump signed the checks, there is some culpability here, and this is a multi step process, they've gone through the taxes, this is just a taste of what they have against Trump.
    Good point re Enron. And yeah, the SoL's are going to be an issue. I assume the Manhattan DA and the NYAG both have a small subset of their team focused on this, so none are missed.

    And those filings get the prosecutors office access to everything in the Trump Org now - if they didn't already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryctos View Post
    I noticed the are advertising gettr with pictures of young attractive women. Is the full name of the social network gettr by the p*ss*?
    I look forward to the GettrTakes twitter account screen shotting these nutters.

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    So gettr is using the friend finder strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solinari6 View Post
    I like his follow up tweet pointing out DJTJ’s position in the Org.

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    I just saw the Gettr logo. Seems a bit on the nose with the torch carrying white hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I just saw the Gettr logo. Seems a bit on the nose with the torch carrying white hand.
    From the wikipedia article at time of writing:

    "Some Twitter users speculate that GETTR is an acronym for Get Trump Reinstalled. Others suggest GRFTR and GUTTR were taken."
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    All I can think of when I see "GETTR" is Larry the Cable Guy.

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    Michael Cohen has been making the rounds. Mostly, it's him laughing hysterically, But he mentioned three things I found interesting.
    1) He's willing to testify.
    2) The last day Cohen talked to Trump was the day he was raided. Cohen believes that Trump is cheering in private that Weaselberg was charged but not him -- because his lawyers, desperate not to be fired, keep lying to Trump that this is good news. Cohen believes Trump is in just as much trouble as everyone except Trump thinks he is, but believes Trump does not know this.
    3) Cohen not only believes that Trump will ditch and sell out Weaselberg, but also would ditch and sell out his own children. But speaking of which, Cohen believes Weaselberg will flip because, well, duh who wouldn't? But also because the NY AG will go after Weaselberg's children. And even Weaselberg loves his children more than he loves going to jail for Trump, for which he wouldn't be paid anyhow.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So what else do we know?]

    We know that [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/Trump was depositioned in a 2007 case[/url] and while doing so, said that nothing financial happened in his company without his knowledge and consent. This may make it difficult to sell out Weaselberg and claim ignorance.

    We know the case spans 15 years and millions of dollars, but those millions of dollars required false/forged documents. Filing false tax returns is a really bad idea. Falsifying records is also obstruction.

    We know prosecutors don't go after former White House residents unless they're damn sure they have something.

    We know that grand juries can be extended.

    We know that Weaselberg isn't really the target. Trump is. Weaselberg just has info on Trump. We also know Weaselberg called NY's bluff and as a result, was perp-walked into a courthouse with his hands cuffed behind his back.

    We also know prosecutors have a lot of checks signed by Trump in the various raids they undertook with legal warrants.

    And the big one -- we know all of this hasn't even mentioned Trump's personal taxes, his misvaluing his own properties for tax purpose vs. loans, campaign finance violations (that's Cohen's thing) or any acts he took while in the White House (which, yes, he can be charged with, he does not have absolute immunity from, say, launching investigations against reporters because they said mean things about him) which the DoJ might get into later.

    Trump's entire business just got arrested. Next up, individual employees. Even if Trump was willing to help them out (all evidence says he is not) most of his lawyers are not able to help him anyhow.

    It is possible Weaselberg will on the sword, although I have no idea why he'd do that. That's not the entire issue. With the sheer amount of records NY already has plus the ability to get more, it seems highly unlikely they'll stop with him. While Weaselberg might be the highest non-Trump up the ladder, others were involved -- I don't see Weaselberg as being the one who forged every document without anyone else's hands involved. Anyone else involved will have the evidence shoved in their face before the cuffs clank closed. Then Trump Org itself gets taken to task, not just by NY AG but by anyone they still owe money.

    I don't see how Weaselberg gets out of this one. There's objective evidence he got benefits, there's objective evidence he didn't pay taxes on it (he even got $120k in refunds he didn't deserve because he lied on his taxes so hard) and there's objective evidence someone in his position should know you can't do that. Not that ignorance over 15 years of felonies is an excuse. Weaselberg is going to be convicted for larceny, fraud, and a few other things that will give him an effective life sentence.

    The end.

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    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not surprised that anyone with weasel in their name was up to no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not surprised that anyone with weasel in their name was up to no good.
    What? You mean Wormtongue is the bad guy or that a character named Evil Lyn (Evelyn) is the villain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Michael Cohen has been making the rounds. Mostly, it's him laughing hysterically, But he mentioned three things I found interesting.
    1) He's willing to testify.
    2) The last day Cohen talked to Trump was the day he was raided. Cohen believes that Trump is cheering in private that Weaselberg was charged but not him -- because his lawyers, desperate not to be fired, keep lying to Trump that this is good news. Cohen believes Trump is in just as much trouble as everyone except Trump thinks he is, but believes Trump does not know this.
    3) Cohen not only believes that Trump will ditch and sell out Weaselberg, but also would ditch and sell out his own children. But speaking of which, Cohen believes Weaselberg will flip because, well, duh who wouldn't? But also because the NY AG will go after Weaselberg's children. And even Weaselberg loves his children more than he loves going to jail for Trump, for which he wouldn't be paid anyhow.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So what else do we know?]

    We know that [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/Trump was depositioned in a 2007 case[/url] and while doing so, said that nothing financial happened in his company without his knowledge and consent. This may make it difficult to sell out Weaselberg and claim ignorance.

    We know the case spans 15 years and millions of dollars, but those millions of dollars required false/forged documents. Filing false tax returns is a really bad idea. Falsifying records is also obstruction.

    We know prosecutors don't go after former White House residents unless they're damn sure they have something.

    We know that grand juries can be extended.

    We know that Weaselberg isn't really the target. Trump is. Weaselberg just has info on Trump. We also know Weaselberg called NY's bluff and as a result, was perp-walked into a courthouse with his hands cuffed behind his back.

    We also know prosecutors have a lot of checks signed by Trump in the various raids they undertook with legal warrants.

    And the big one -- we know all of this hasn't even mentioned Trump's personal taxes, his misvaluing his own properties for tax purpose vs. loans, campaign finance violations (that's Cohen's thing) or any acts he took while in the White House (which, yes, he can be charged with, he does not have absolute immunity from, say, launching investigations against reporters because they said mean things about him) which the DoJ might get into later.

    Trump's entire business just got arrested. Next up, individual employees. Even if Trump was willing to help them out (all evidence says he is not) most of his lawyers are not able to help him anyhow.

    It is possible Weaselberg will on the sword, although I have no idea why he'd do that. That's not the entire issue. With the sheer amount of records NY already has plus the ability to get more, it seems highly unlikely they'll stop with him. While Weaselberg might be the highest non-Trump up the ladder, others were involved -- I don't see Weaselberg as being the one who forged every document without anyone else's hands involved. Anyone else involved will have the evidence shoved in their face before the cuffs clank closed. Then Trump Org itself gets taken to task, not just by NY AG but by anyone they still owe money.

    I don't see how Weaselberg gets out of this one. There's objective evidence he got benefits, there's objective evidence he didn't pay taxes on it (he even got $120k in refunds he didn't deserve because he lied on his taxes so hard) and there's objective evidence someone in his position should know you can't do that. Not that ignorance over 15 years of felonies is an excuse. Weaselberg is going to be convicted for larceny, fraud, and a few other things that will give him an effective life sentence.

    The end.
    Oh man, I believe I saw this before. In the movie Casino right? Where they arrest everybody?

    You know, this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0oVkgMHT0


    Or is it going to be like this where they all show up as really sick old people in court before going to prison to die?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    So gettr is using the friend finder strategy.
    Gettr sounds like a redneck version of Grindr...

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    Hoo boy. It's time again for Guess the Speaker! The topic, of courser, is the arrest of Weaselberg.

    This is the political persecution of a political enemy. This is what Vladimir Putin does.

    This is banana republic stuff and if our press was even a little bit intellectually honest, they would be calling it that
    "Too nuanced for Trump, but clearly someone so far up his ass they could shampoo with Burger King fries."

    It's Donnie Dum-Dum Jr.

    "Wait, didn't Don Jr. meet with Russians in Trump Tower? Ones he thought were working with Putin?"

    Yes.

    "Hasn't Trump praised and/or defended Putin many times?"

    Yes.

    "Also, didn't Trump promise to prosecute Clinton, at a public debate, to the massive applause of his fans?"

    Yes.

    Once again I'll call upon Trump's supporters to "break the tie" as it were. Should Trump be condemned for threatening to prosecute a political opponent? Or should the current NY investigation and arrests be called fair and just? As always I'll give you 24 hours before your submission is overdue and I get to pick for you.

    Also, Mary Trump thinks Trump's children are all willing and able to flip. I've always said they don't love Trump, they love his money. Mary Trump apparently agrees.

    Also, hey @cubby we've known Trump hides his taxes even to the point of locking them in an IRS vault he had constructed. Is this what he was hiding? Or is it something much bigger, such as "Trump is poor"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Hoo boy. It's time again for Guess the Speaker! The topic, of courser, is the arrest of Weaselberg.



    "Too nuanced for Trump, but clearly someone so far up his ass they could shampoo with Burger King fries."

    It's Donnie Dum-Dum Jr.

    "Wait, didn't Don Jr. meet with Russians in Trump Tower? Ones he thought were working with Putin?"

    Yes.

    "Hasn't Trump praised and/or defended Putin many times?"

    Yes.

    "Also, didn't Trump promise to prosecute Clinton, at a public debate, to the massive applause of his fans?"

    Yes.

    Once again I'll call upon Trump's supporters to "break the tie" as it were. Should Trump be condemned for threatening to prosecute a political opponent? Or should the current NY investigation and arrests be called fair and just? As always I'll give you 24 hours before your submission is overdue and I get to pick for you.

    Also, Mary Trump thinks Trump's children are all willing and able to flip. I've always said they don't love Trump, they love his money. Mary Trump apparently agrees.

    Also, hey @cubby we've known Trump hides his taxes even to the point of locking them in an IRS vault he had constructed. Is this what he was hiding? Or is it something much bigger, such as "Trump is poor"?
    I'm going to go with the second option along with the receipt for that rug on his head. It would be the chef's kiss if it came out that he had Gallaghar hairstyle along with him being poor.

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    More and more sources are weighing in, and like this NBC News article, most are saying the same thing: this case is black and white, textbook, blatant. There is no legal defense.

    Simply put, the NY AG took their time and built up an airtight case before taking a swing at Trump Org. Fortunately, Trump Org is filled with criminals who left a paper trail.
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    I'm still not sure why Weaselberg would plead guilty, other than hoping the case gets dismissed on a technicality. Even stalling for time doesn't help him here. Nobody will loan money or do business with a company that's in court for theft, fraud, obstruction and not paying taxes. Well, not openly. I suppose it could be that Weaselberg thinks that even a reduced prison sentence will kill him, so why not at this point. But from what we've seen, he has zero chance on the merits, other than saying "Trump did it" which he's not doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    More and more sources are weighing in, and like this NBC News article, most are saying the same thing: this case is black and white, textbook, blatant. There is no legal defense.

    Simply put, the NY AG took their time and built up an airtight case before taking a swing at Trump Org. Fortunately, Trump Org is filled with criminals who left a paper trail.
    f
    I'm still not sure why Weaselberg would plead guilty, other than hoping the case gets dismissed on a technicality. Even stalling for time doesn't help him here. Nobody will loan money or do business with a company that's in court for theft, fraud, obstruction and not paying taxes. Well, not openly. I suppose it could be that Weaselberg thinks that even a reduced prison sentence will kill him, so why not at this point. But from what we've seen, he has zero chance on the merits, other than saying "Trump did it" which he's not doing.
    Apropos of nothing, what are your feelings on the largest real estate company bankruptcy in US history being declared within the next few months?

    Also, how do you feel about leading questions?
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Apropos of nothing, what are your feelings on the largest real estate company bankruptcy in US history being declared within the next few months?
    It'll take longer than that, I think.

    The monetary judgement against the company, for these current charges, won't be enough to kill them, or enough to declare bankruptcy to try to avoid them (not that it would work). The bankruptcy comes when Deutsche Bank says they want their money now, NY says we'd like those back taxes from mis-valued buildings, or my personal favorite both. Neither of which are on the schedule yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Also, how do you feel about leading questions?
    YOU STOLE MY LINE

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