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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    "Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature."
    To this day, I wonder if Russia/Putin has buyer's remorse. They went through a lot of effort to help Trump win. Was it worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Ehhh, I don't know anymore. Seeing how badly they wanted everything Trump, "wanting something different" (although with a narcissistic, lunatic, moron, you really do get something different) just doesn't cut it for me. Not anymore.
    Yeah I was willing to believe that in the 2016 election, but not in the 2020 election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Pence should be lucky if he doesn't end up in fucking prison with Trump.
    I think you meant to say "Pence was lucky he wasn't lynched by the mob Trump sent to kill him".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Ehhh, I don't know anymore. Seeing how badly they wanted everything Trump, "wanting something different" (although with a narcissistic, lunatic, moron, you really do get something different) just doesn't cut it for me. Not anymore.
    They became a cult after his election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To this day, I wonder if Russia/Putin has buyer's remorse. They went through a lot of effort to help Trump win. Was it worth it?
    Yes. They are trying to destabilize the US. Its working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To this day, I wonder if Russia/Putin has buyer's remorse. They went through a lot of effort to help Trump win. Was it worth it?
    Really seems like they pissed away a golden opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To this day, I wonder if Russia/Putin has buyer's remorse. They went through a lot of effort to help Trump win. Was it worth it?
    I mean it certainly caused consternation within the US, but Russia seems to perennially forget to actually make itself a better country while bringing others down.

    We’ve booted trump out, and God willing he stays booted, but… is Russia any significantly better off or different than it was in 2016?
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    Kaleredar is right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I'd like your take on MLB moving the all star game out of Atlanta, costing a city mostly populated by black people millions of dollars to Denver, a city mainly comprised of white people who have the exact same voting laws already in place.
    Colorado we do basically the entirety of our voting via Mailed Ballots and have automatic voter registration through the department of motor vehicles. We had around an 85% turnout rate in 2020. So don't try to compare Colorado Voting Laws with Georgia's.

    I haven't had to go physically vote for years, the ballot just shows up at my home, I mark my votes and return it to a vote drop box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Trump didn’t win in 2016 because people thought he was a centrist. He won because people were tired of same old same old and wanted something different. Also, to act like Pence is a centrist while Biden and Hillary aren’t, is about as ass backwards as a person can be on a given topic.
    People didn't want something different. Trump got the same number of votes Romney did if you account for population growth. Dem voters didn't want to show up for Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazkar View Post
    Colorado we do basically the entirety of our voting via Mailed Ballots and have automatic voter registration through the department of motor vehicles. We had around an 85% turnout rate in 2020. So don't try to compare Colorado Voting Laws with Georgia's.

    I haven't had to go physically vote for years, the ballot just shows up at my home, I mark my votes and return it to a vote drop box.
    Shhhhh no one tell @TexasRules that multiple states and countries have done mail in voting for years, even primarily mail in voting, with minimal to no fraud even before the pandemic. He's too busy self owning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    I'd like your take on MLB moving the all star game out of Atlanta, costing a city mostly populated by black people millions of dollars to Denver, a city mainly comprised of white people who have the exact same voting laws already in place.
    I see TexasLies is back in fine form. Your bolded is incorrect, a lie. Let us know if you bother doing the research to link something. We'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    Shhhhh no one tell @TexasRules that multiple states and countries have done mail in voting for years, even primarily mail in voting, with minimal to no fraud even before the pandemic. He's too busy self owning.
    In which Trump's own "commission" on voter fraud found nothing. NOTHING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    People didn't want something different. Trump got the same number of votes Romney did if you account for population growth. Dem voters didn't want to show up for Hillary.
    WADR, that doesn't disprove my point.

    Dems didn't;t come out for Hillary because she was another typical politician. The votes Trump got, from the independents, were protest votes because of the Dens putting up Hillary. Nothing about Trump's platform was centrist or independent. It was batshit crazy and many people used their vote like a firecracker meant to shake things up. Once he was elected and openly embraced racism and nationalism, then the people turned into cultists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Maybe I am misremembering this but didn't Trump's voter fraud commission find so much nothing that they closed the commission and hide the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I mean it certainly caused consternation within the US, but Russia seems to perennially forget to actually make itself a better country while bringing others down.
    I know @Bodakane and @Poopymonster responded, but I like this one the best. The US spent three years in increasing gridlock and chaos, then COVID. And Russia is still in the same place as before: scrambling for the oil industry and treated as a pariah internationally. Trump wanted Russia back in G8 and that faied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    Maybe I am misremembering this but didn't Trump's voter fraud commission find so much nothing that they closed the commission and hide the results.
    The results were not well hidden.

    Also, you and @cubby both left out the part where one of the members was arrested, and one of them died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    Maybe I am misremembering this but didn't Trump's voter fraud commission find so much nothing that they closed the commission and hide the results.
    Hid and attempted to destroy, if reports are to be believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I know @Bodakane and @Poopymonster responded, but I like this one the best. The US spent three years in increasing gridlock and chaos, then COVID. And Russia is still in the same place as before: scrambling for the oil industry and treated as a pariah internationally. Trump wanted Russia back in G8 and that faied.
    Sure, but 600,000+ dead and the country is about as close to being fully destabilized as ever, outside the Civil War. The Biden election didn't take us out of the storm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To this day, I wonder if Russia/Putin has buyer's remorse. They went through a lot of effort to help Trump win. Was it worth it?
    There is an intelligence leak issue that we, as the public, even if it's wholly discovered and analyzed, will NEVER know about. Manafort and Flynn were just the people we knew about who worked with the Eastern Front, along with Giuliani's stooges. It's possible nothing substantial was leaked to Putin but if you'll recall, @Skroe's analysis on the FIRST person Trump put into place in his new cabinet - the Director of the CIA (not the cabinet post of National Intelligence, not SecDef, not SecState - you get the idea). And the DCI holds ALL the cards.

    Pompeo was his pick, and this guy, amongst his many short comings, failed to disclose the links between his company in Kansas and a Chinese government owned firm.

    So, buyer's remorse? Probably, but the one thing we do know is that we'll never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Sure, but 600,000+
    Russia isn't doing great either, but despite some "genuine" posters' comments, the US handled COVID proportionately far worse than other first-world countries. I doubt Putin helped install Trump saying "well Trump is such a proven anti-vaxxer and so blindingly stupid at any form of listening to experts, that a lethal outbreak will kill their country and Trump will cheer its death" but that's 100% what he said afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The results were not well hidden.

    Also, you and @cubby both left out the part where one of the members was arrested, and one of them died.
    You can only dunk so much on one person for one subject, and TexasLives has enough trouble keeping up with the major events of reality, I feared the minutiae would cause an unrelenting tumble.

    However, yeah, that part was fucking hysterical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    Maybe I am misremembering this but didn't Trump's voter fraud commission find so much nothing that they closed the commission and hide the results.
    Indeed, along with Breccia's outstanding points. The whole thing was a complete shitshow, aside from essentially confirming reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    WADR, that doesn't disprove my point.

    Dems didn't;t come out for Hillary because she was another typical politician. The votes Trump got, from the independents, were protest votes because of the Dens putting up Hillary. Nothing about Trump's platform was centrist or independent. It was batshit crazy and many people used their vote like a firecracker meant to shake things up. Once he was elected and openly embraced racism and nationalism, then the people turned into cultists.
    Or the racist bootstrapper vote didn’t change at all. Sure he might’ve grabbed a few independents but there are people who will vote against the incumbent party because that’s what they do. A racist business man running for office isn’t new or radical.

    The Dems need to do the work and make sure people get up and vote. Obama was good at that. Stacy Abrams is also good at that. Hillary was not. She thought she was going to run a victory lap because her opponent was a clown and many people didn’t want to get off the coach because they thought she wouldn’t need their vote. 2016 just showed you can’t take anything for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Russia isn't doing great either, but despite some "genuine" posters' comments, the US handled COVID proportionately far worse than other first-world countries. I doubt Putin helped install Trump saying "well Trump is such a proven anti-vaxxer and so blindingly stupid at any form of listening to experts, that a lethal outbreak will kill their country and Trump will cheer its death" but that's 100% what he said afterwards.
    I'm not sure why you're thinking I'm saying that was the plan. The plan was to put the worst person possible in charge, because it would do damage to the stability of the US. I'm sure he also hoped it would directly benefit him with some of things you're talking about, but ultimately, the US is far worse off from having 4 years of trump than just about any other 2016 republicans candidate that had a shot. It wasn't a total flawless victory for Putin, but it was a victory.
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