Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[beanman12345]

That's a good question. Archie was created, crafted as a character, to represent (and often misrepresent) a previous generation and their general beliefs. One of his most necessary flaws was that he wasn't articulate enough to explain adequately why he believed the things he believed and often just responded emotionally. This was by design. That having been said, however, if the character of Archie Bunker hadn't managed to make both the then-progressive left as well as the then-conservative center-left laugh then the character wouldn't have lasted 13 seasons of television.

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Rickles' jokes, whether they're presented at roasts or other venues, is what it is. Young lefties I show these clips to usually can't figure out what upsets them more... the racial nature of the jokes or the fact that everybody still laughed.

Uh, it's an easy question to answer. Archie was a racist clown. You laugh at clowns, only clowns laugh with clowns.

[Hammerfest]

Archie was a racist clown. You laugh at clowns, only clowns laugh with clowns.

So everybody who laughed at that character for 13 years was a clown themselves, eh? Wow, what insight. You are one stellar individual.

[beanman12345]

So everybody who laughed at that character for 13 years was a clown themselves, eh? Wow, what insight. You are one stellar individual.

That reading comprehension....

[cubby]

So Trump was in court today.

Nah, just kidding. He'd rather die than take the stand. His remaining lawyers were in court, though, asking a federal judge to block Biden from turning over Trump's documents, which Biden wants to do, over to the House, who has been asking about them for some time.

"Is this the same court that suggested they might not even have the authority to block the transfer?"

Yes.

"So what defense did Team Trump use? Because all I've heard is 'because Trump said so' and I've been looking forward to the actual previous cases, or legal standing, or other legal specifics."

Um...

"...they tried 'because Trump said so' in court?"

Yes.

"...did it work?"


-- the judge in the case
(re-reads article)
-- one of the three judges in the case

"But Team Trump brought up the other times this Executive Time of one being waived by another, right?"

It has literally never come up. Trump's actions are unPresidented.

"Does the 1978 law allow for what Trump is asking?"

It does not. And it's exceedingly short, so there's as much wiggle room as Melania's corset when the cameras are rolling.

"Surely Team Trump brought more than one thing to try?"

Well they had three hours of direct, specific grilling on the subject, and it looks like they had one other concern. See, if the current ruling holds, a current/incumbent President like Biden could intentionally reveal embarrassing information about their rival.

"Wouldn't that require the rival to also have been in the WH? That seems really specific."

It is.

"Also what about the possibility that people in the White House act like fucking professional adults and not try to commit crimes or fuck each other's wives?"

I guess Team Trump didn't realize that was an option. Or, were paid enough to make sure that option was covered in case Trump wants to commit more crimes and adultery.

"Isn't this case about Trump plotting an insurrection? I would imagine that someone trying to start an insurrection would 100% be in the nation's interest to learn about."

I...think so? Or it could be about reviewing the taxes Trump fought for years to hide, because he has hundreds of millions in loans to an admitted Russian money launderer. Either way, really.

"Are you going to ping @cubby on this? Because he's gotta be tired of that."

You just did.

"Shit."

My concern is that when it all comes out, publicly, the money laundering and the insurrection planning - the Democrats won't have the balls to prosecute. The taxes issue alone, and the YUGE conflicts of interest therein, are enough to put him out of the WH permanently. But our democracy have the tools to really bring the hammer down on someone who so egregiously violates so many laws/rules/agreements/etc.

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So everybody who laughed at that character for 13 years was a clown themselves, eh? Wow, what insight. You are one stellar individual.

I'm not sure you gleaned the right message for bean's post.

[Poopymonster]

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/30/r...en-ilhan-omar/

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

If we're gonna cower behind our phallic overcompensators with an extended clip about the War On X bullshit that panders to the dumb and insane...

Instead of Merry Christmas we should say All Holidays Matter.

[Ivanstone]

Rickles' humor, whether presented at roasts or other venues, is what it is. Young lefties I show these clips to usually can't figure out what upsets them more... the racial nature of the jokes or the fact that everybody still laughed.

I know you’re banned again but:
Key difference between Rickles and Boebert is one is a beloved improvisational insult comic with a 50+ year career who had a wisecrack for anyone and the other is a failed actor cosplaying as politician. Furthermore, one has a long, long history of supporting progressive causes and the other supports a variety of regressive policies and cheats on their election finances.

[Machismo]

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/30/r...en-ilhan-omar/

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

I'm not sure why you insist on defending blatant racism.

[shimerra]

I'm old enough to remember when jokes didn't need a defense... because everybody knew they were just jokes.

Yeah that point in time never existed. Because morons with selective memories don't remember that during that same time shows like All in the Family weren't allowed to be on prime time because the show was too vulgar. Game of Thrones? Yeah no way your nostalgia ridden golden era ever would have let that be aired.

George Carlin was arrested, yes arrested and I repeat this because you have issues with comprehension, for performing his 7 dirty words routine. Pretty sure that was just a joke. This happened oh about 3 years before your first example of a time when people knew what a joke was.

Also funny how a lot of jokes conservatives make tend to be threats. Like when Sarah Palain was just joking putting crosshairs on a Democratic Rep who was then shot in the head.

[postman1782]

On a related note...

You might as well just state that you don't believe in evidence, especially since the Republican Led Senate Intel Committee in 2020 already stated with evidence in their report that Paul Manafort, Trump Jr, Kushner, and others in the Trump administration did collude with Russia. And the mere fact that you have to go to a fucking bullshit Youtube video from the dumbasses at biased "LibertyPen" is fucking hilarious when they were proven wrong over a fucking year ago.

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https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/30/r...en-ilhan-omar/

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

Yes, lets keep linking bullshit from Tucker Carlson's shitrag. Might as well link stuff from the Onion, at least they have credibility for being a fucking satire site.

[Edge-]

"LibertyPen"

"Liberty" "Patriot" and "Freedom" in the name are usually very good indicators if a channel/site/whatever is just virtue signaling to the extreme right.

[postman1782]

"Liberty" "Patriot" and "Freedom" in the name are usually very good indicators if a channel/site/whatever is just virtue signaling to the extreme right.

Yep. I will add 1776 to that as well, almost everyone that has that in their name with patriot or conservative or anything like that, is usually 100% bullshit and lying.

[gondrin]

How is that related to anything having to do with conspiracy theories around Maurene Comey?

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ski-ip-vpx.cnn

Oh look, more video of Boebert calling Omar a terrorist and saying she's "black hearted" and "evil".

Censure her ass and kick her off committees. What ever happened to decency? To decorum? To civility? I remember Republicans complaining about that a lot.

The expectation is basic professionalism, and she's failing to meet that bar. Make her an empty floor vote until she decides to start acting like a professional, otherwise her and her husband who loves to expose his penis to underage girls can fuck off.

Because yes, as you all know, her husband exposed his penis to underage girls at, I believe, a bowling alley.

Someone should tell Boebert that she looks like she could be the kid that play the banjo in Deliverance. Someone should ask her to produce evidence that her mother and father aren't directly related by blood.

[cubby]

The Michigan office of US Rep. Dingell was broken into and vandalized.

Not doubt the Trump inspired asshats. She and her staff have been the victim of violent threats for awhile now.

[gondrin]

Yeah that point in time never existed. Because morons with selective memories don't remember that during that same time shows like All in the Family weren't allowed to be on prime time because the show was too vulgar. Game of Thrones? Yeah no way your nostalgia ridden golden era ever would have let that be aired.

George Carlin was arrested, yes arrested and I repeat this because you have issues with comprehension, for performing his 7 dirty words routine. Pretty sure that was just a joke. This happened oh about 3 years before your first example of a time when people knew what a joke was.

Also funny how a lot of jokes conservatives make tend to be threats. Like when Sarah Palain was just joking putting crosshairs on a Democratic Rep who was then shot in the head.

Or you know, the same conservatives that wanted to outright ban various music groups for vulgarity (2 Live Crew is one of them). Sued Hustler magazine for an obvious parody (Jerry Falwell). Tried to get Dungeons & Dragons banned because it promoted satanism. Literally have started "wars" on numerous vices that have cost trillions of dollars only to make things far worse for nearly all people involved.

The only people who don't know how to take a joke are Conservatives. They were the original Karens before anyone used the term.

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Tried to get Dungeons & Dragons banned because it promoted satanism.

And He-Man because...uh...surprisingly, if memory serves, they weren't upset about the fairly overt homosexuality in the cartoon. It was things like "it promotes the occult" that triggered them.

The closest leg they have for an argument on this front would be something like Tipper Gore and trying to get vulgar music banned, which ended up blowing up in their faces as the "explicit content" label that ended up getting slapped on tapes/CD's was unintentionally one of the strongest marketing tools any album could have.

Plus, you know, they're still trying to burn books.

[Poopymonster]

And He-Man because...uh...surprisingly, if memory serves, they weren't upset about the fairly overt homosexuality in the cartoon. It was things like "it promotes the occult" that triggered them.

The closest leg they have for an argument on this front would be something like Tipper Gore and trying to get vulgar music banned, which ended up blowing up in their faces as the "explicit content" label that ended up getting slapped on tapes/CD's was unintentionally one of the strongest marketing tools any album could have.

Plus, you know, they're still trying to burn books.

Communism, then hippies, then drugs, porn, gays, heavy metal, dungeons and dragons, rap, beavis and butthead, muslims, online games, anime, gay marriage, brown people, liberals.
And that concludes Poopy's brief noncomprehensive chronological trip through "Boogymen who are ruining america and it's children" bullshit extravaganza.

[Edge-]

Man, I know I'm guilty of this and all but...I wish media would stop rewarding the bad behavior of Republicans.

Seriously, retards like Cawthorn, Boebert, Greene, and Gosar all largely have careers thanks to the continued media coverage of their every insane, offensive, and retarded utterance. Calculated and crafted and uttered with the intent to "trigger" media and get a wave of articles written about them to enjoy the free press.

Because it's good press for them.

"Mainstream/liberal" media falling over themselves to write breathless think pieces about how awful they are? Cha-ching. Conservative media covering the "liberal media outrage" and further signal boosting the message and official? Cha-ching.

They really need to start giving these idiots the Ann Coulter treatment: Ignore them, starve them of the oxygen they need to continue having careers and raising money, and lower their national profiles back to "literally who?" once more.

Just saw some breathless piece on WashPo rightfully calling out the "exhausting, soul-sapping meanness" of Boebert and like...yeah it is, but also like...shut the fuck up. We all know this about her already. So does her voters. This isn't informing anyone about something "new" or different, it's not furthering a discussion, it's not bringing up anything new to analyze. It's just giving her far more attention than she deserves.

[Edge-]

If the “left-wing” media says nothing it just gives them the opportunity to say, “See? Even MSNBC can’t refute my points! Clearly I’m right!” Which isn’t far off from where we are now, but I refuse to surrender.

Ok...and? My point is that it doesn't change anything for them and their constituents/fans, they're gonna do that no matter what. This just starves them of oxygen and the national platform they so desire, since they're remarkably unproductive members of Congress and some like Cawthorn and Gaetz doesn't even have legislative directors because doing their jobs as Reps. isn't their priority.

I'm not saying never cover them by any means. But covering the petty bullshit and obvious begging for attention just rewards that behavior. Stop worrying about what "Republicans will do if we do X" because they're gonna do what they're gonna do no matter what.

[Edge-]

No, it doesn’t. Because OAN, Fox, Newsmax… you know, the places their fans actual watch. The rest just keep everyone else up to date.

Except that it does, because they can't portray themselves as the "victims" of mainstream media coverage.

Again, I'll point to Ann Coulter. Conservative media alone isn't enough to keep her career humming. She needs that mainstream media "hate" coverage for that.

[Lenonis]

Sometimes, in fact often, a joke is just a joke... no matter how tasteless it may seem.

I know you are banned but maybe you'll still read this....but I want to help you learn something.

A joke is just a joke. But when you add racist to the joke you find that a joke is just racism.

Is it still a joke? Sure. Is it still racism? Sure.

But by exclusively focusing on the joke part you are defending racism. Are you sure you want to be the guy who is defending racism?

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You’re seriously comparing Boebert’s open bigotry with roasts? Seriously?

You don't honestly expect a conservative to understand context do you?