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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    I suppose the snake swallowing its own tail could also refer to Jormungandr, the world serpent, but perhaps apocalyptic analogies are also something we'd want to avoid where Republicans are concerned.
    I mean, Jörmungandr is an ouroboros. And Ragnarok is supposed to begin when it releases its tail from its mouth, not the other way around.


    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    Wasn't talking about the mythical Ouroboros. Snakes when overheated and disoriented will mistakenly begin to eat their own tails mistaking them for food literally killing themselves by trying to eat itself.

    https://www.wideopenpets.com/why-do-...at-themselves/
    This, however, is news to me. Weird.


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    https://apnews.com/article/trump-urg...2d4c739bd18a5d

    Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen,” Trump said at one point to then-Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, according to notes taken by Richard Donoghue, a senior Justice Department official who was on the call.
    Not surprising, but at least we've got pretty explicit notes confirming that yes, Trump did try to pressure the DoJ into overturning the election/declaring it fraudulent, and that he was all to happy to volunteer the Republican party and his administration to sell the lie.

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    I'm seeing whispers of something come across media. Namely, this.

    The KKK Act of 1871.

    "Yeah yeah, all Republicans are racists, bla bla bla."

    No, that's not it. Detailed here, 42 USC 1983-1986 was, yes, created to enforce the whole "yes, African Americans are actually people" Constitutional Amendments and baaaaaaaaasically said
    1) You're not allowed to interfere with the federal government doing their duty, and
    2) If you're in charge and supposed to act, and don't, you're liable

    But. It doesn't spell out "with regard to black people". It just says "do your fucking job". It was intended to keep the South from looking at the new American rules that prevent slavery and saying "Nah". In 1871 Grant basically used it to say "Don't make me come down there a second timel, fuckwits".

    *ahem*

    But.
    @Endus has been saying things about aid and comfort recently, this is right up his alley. We've know people told Trump "stop the riot" and he didn't. The Jan 6th committee could call, oh I don't know, some Rep or Senator who called Trump and order them to disclose under oath what they said. Or some Trump family member.

    Maybe Trump is a KKK member, maybe he just wishes he was. But the KKK Act taking a swing at him would be hilariously on point.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/trum...-doj-says.html

    And DoJ has greenlit Congress reviewing Trump's taxes, agreeing that they have made a legitimate request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    And DoJ has greenlit Congress reviewing Trump's taxes, agreeing that they have made a legitimate request.
    Only five years too late on that one.

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    This is my shocked face, but apparently the presidential salary that Trump promised to donate during his tenure was even a lie

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rce=reddit.com

    A new report has raised questions about whether former President Donald Trump really donated his salary toward the end of his time in office, as he repeatedly did earlier in his term. Mr Trump pledged to make the donations during his campaign, in an effort to demonstrate his supposed vast wealth and that he couldn’t be bought off as a politician.

    Like clockwork, Mr Trump made a spectacle of donating his salary, including cutting a check emblazoned with his bold-lettered signature. In February 2018, then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao accepted the check in the White House briefing room. In March of the same year, Mr Trump boasted of the donations, calling it “a lot of money”.

    But as The Washington Post reported on Friday, it’s unclear whether the money kept flowing at the end of the Trump administration.

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    Just saw a clip of Lara Trump on Fox claiming she is thrilled whenever her kids get sick. This family is so fucked up.

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    .NEW: DOJ officials told Trump that the department had no power to change the outcome of the election. He replied that he did not expect that:
    “Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me."
    https://t.co/bpl2o2W7bq
    https://twitter.com/ktbenner/status/...121981953?s=19

    More damning evidence of Trump’s attempt insurrection.

    This was prior January 6th, with 'leave the rest to me', no doubt him wanting his followers to lead an attempt on the Capitol.
    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States…. [It is] nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

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    New cases in @Benggaul 's post aren't going to be pretty. At the end of June, the seven-day USA rolling average was 12,500. Florida now has that alone -- having over 14,200 cases/day by themselves, roughly nine times what they had at the end of June. The country is about five times as bad, overall, so states that are six times as bad like New York and Illinois aren't doing great, but still are doing much better when compared to Florida.

    Well back to the news...

    Florida reports one hundred ten thousand cases in a week, +50% from what they got last week, which was +60% more than the week before, which was +210% more than the week before. Positivity rate increases from 15 to 18 percent. (There's a county-by-county in the link if you want to read)

    Patients are surging Florida ICUs. More than one thousand hospitalizations per day, 1450 on Tuesday alone.

    Front-line workers in Florida say current COVID-19 surge 'feels like it's an impending storm'.

    More fact checking sites are going overtime, smashing down the claims that Florida is doing okay. Even within the context of the United States' increase, no they're not.

    And my favorite:

    DeSantis to order EO saying parents don't have to send their kids to school with masks if they don't feel like it.

    In Florida, there will be no lockdowns, there will be no school closures, there will be no restrictions and no mandates in the state of Florida
    Remember how Trump tried to withhold federal aid to cities or states he didn't like? I'm starting to understand why. But the people of Florida are going to need a lot of help, soon. Due to their even-in-context skyrocketing rates and their size, they're safely one of the worst, if not the worst, states in the country in COVID terms.

    The only "good" news about Florida is they're not in the top ten ranked by "most percentage increase in the last 14 days". But
    1) They are still #1 in number of cases. Like, by a lot. Their rolling average is 14,200 and that's almost as much as #2 California and #3 Texas combined.
    2) They are still a piece of #2 in cases per capita
    3) They are #1 in hospitalizations
    4) They have pulled ahead of Nevada and are #1 in hospitalizations per capita
    5) They are #4 in increase in percent in hospitalizations, so they're not just bad, they're getting worse
    6) They are #1 in COVID deaths.
    7) They are #7 in COVID deaths per capita.

    I'm mostly interested in the per capita results. California will always have more deaths than, say, South Dakota. Florida being high on all three of those per-capita lists is particularly damning if, say, someone were trying to defend Florida.

    Not in the top ten in any of those lists: Illinois. Anyone trying to deflect with "But Illinois" is being disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Georgia: 4,612 new cases; 11 deaths
    I started a new job in Valdosta this month and last week half the shop was sent home because one of the workers tested positive. Him and several others attended a pool party where I'm guessing other goers also tested positive. Today four more in another department were sent to be tested because one of them also tested positive.

    I think me and a hand full others there have been vaccinated. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar 331 View Post
    I think me and a hand full others there have been vaccinated. :/
    Stay safe, man.

    Georgia might not be Florida, but they're not doing great even in USA context. They're in the top 10 per capita cases and hospitalizations, but not deaths. Yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Just saw a clip of Lara Trump on Fox claiming she is thrilled whenever her kids get sick. This family is so fucked up.
    I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.

    EDIT: I should be clear, I'm not defending Lara Trump. She was likely using chicken pox as a parallel to COVID in that clip I didn't see. If so, then she's a sociopath. If not, well, I owe her an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.
    And even THEN, you shouldn't be hoping your kid gets chicken pox anymore because there's a vaccine for it now AND it causes shingles later in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Stay safe, man.

    Georgia might not be Florida, but they're not doing great even in USA context. They're in the top 10 per capita cases and hospitalizations, but not deaths. Yet.

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    I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.

    EDIT: I should be clear, I'm not defending Lara Trump. She was likely using chicken pox as a parallel to COVID in that clip I didn't see. If so, then she's a sociopath. If not, well, I owe her an apology.
    It was over a cold in fact, but in context about covid letting the immune system naturally do it's thing, instead of letting kids wear masks in order to, prevent trying to get it in the first place, so yeah, complete sociopathic in this case, which always is the case when it's someone with that last name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    there's a vaccine for it now
    I love living in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Stay safe, man.

    Georgia might not be Florida, but they're not doing great even in USA context. They're in the top 10 per capita cases and hospitalizations, but not deaths. Yet.

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    I imagine Lara Trump was talking about nonlethal diseases like chicken pox, which is still fucked up but not sociopathic. Hoping it happens with COVID is, because that shit kills people. Also, while most adults have caught chicken pox, most adults haven't caught COVID. Your kid comes home with chicken pox and you're fine. Your kid comes home with COVID and you're not fine.

    EDIT: I should be clear, I'm not defending Lara Trump. She was likely using chicken pox as a parallel to COVID in that clip I didn't see. If so, then she's a sociopath. If not, well, I owe her an apology.
    fun fact: the CDC have been saying today that Delta is as contagious as the chicken pox

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...lta-masks.html
    C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox
    The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    Ok, not really fun, but going "GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!!" seemed worse.
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    fun fact: the CDC have been saying today that Delta is as contagious as the chicken pox

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...lta-masks.html


    Ok, not really fun, but going "GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!!" seemed worse.
    So basically everyone who isn't immune is gonna get this thing, and just like chickenpox can fuck you up later in life too!

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    From Nevada:

    Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

    You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

    Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

    I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    out of concern for the side effects
    Man, I see this shit so much. How fuckin soft are people, seriously? Like, ain't nobody ever had the flu before? Got punched in the arm hard and had a nasty bruise for a day or two? I just don't fuckin get it, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    From Nevada:

    Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

    You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

    Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

    I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.
    If you're not sure about the vaccine, then intentionally jump into the unwashed masses of humanity for a vacation...here's your sign.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    From Nevada:

    Father of 5 Dies After Texting Fiancée, 'I Should Have Gotten the Damn Vaccine'

    You can click to read the article if you like but the headline pretty much says it all.

    Now, before anyone says something they might regret, their reason for not getting the vaccine was out of concern for the side effects and they had planned on getting it "within a year". They weren't an outright "anti-vaxxer"; I can understand people being abundantly cautious about that--however, he works in a casino and just went to San Diego for a two-week vacation during an ongoing pandemic, so...yeah.

    I've said it before--and linked experts saying it--and I'll say it again: the side effects from the vaccine are far, far milder than the side effects of COVID. Don't let the fear-mongering assholes from the GQP talk you out of it. Get your jabs.
    Yeah, I have a couple of friends I have played WoW and other games with that are now both nurses, at a VA hospital in Kentucky, they literally just told me about a 33 year old guy that was begging for the vaccine, as he was about to be sedated and put on a ventilator. Really fucking sad seeing or hearing about these people, begging as they are struggling to breathe and not knowing they are already too late to be saved.

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