Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Twdft]

The question was:

So as per usual, I'd like to see the resident Trump supporters weigh in on this. I think that's fair, don't you? So let's see, @YUPPIE and @Hammerfest you two have been active recently and are both known Trump supporters. I'd like to hear what you think of this official WH document/plan that Meadows turned over. But actually read it first. Don't handwave it without reading it, that would be disingenuous. And you want to be taken seriously, don't you? So actually read it first.

You know what, @tehdang why don't you weigh in too? I think your opinion would also make sense here.

@YUPPIEs deflecting/derailing worked really well.

[tehdang]

I did put you in a separate line.

I know you did. I also know others would rhetorically place me there, as did happen two posts later in this very thread. This was more for the benefit of those people than you.

He's fighting every inch of the way. Anything he handed over was basically volunteered.

We might get some good supreme court jurisprudence on what sorts of things are subject to executive privilege, when not directly concerned with a special council or impeachment. I remember reading that Bannon also is challenging subpoenas, but has much less legal argument to do that than Meadows does.

Not just people in his circle, but Trump himself is still pushing the election fraud with no proof angle and making up shit as he goes along. Trump also maintains that his VP didn't carry out his duties.

I don't dispute any of this.

[Breccia]

Oh Really!?!

We have a little more info now, but not much.

Among the people issued a subpoena is Max Miller, who worked as a senior adviser to Trump and is now running for a House seat.


The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol announced Friday that it has issued six new subpoenas, including to an aide to former President Trump who is now a congressional candidate.

Lawmakers on the panel are seeking information from associates of Trump who allegedly met with him to discuss preparations for the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" rally that preceded the mob attack on the Capitol, as well as individuals who helped organize the rally.

Among the people issued a subpoena is Max Miller, who worked as a senior adviser to Trump and is now running for a House seat.


Miller received Trump's endorsement in launching a primary challenge against GOP Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (Ohio), who voted to impeach the former president for his role in the Jan. 6 riot. Gonzalez has since announced he will not run for reelection, but Miller's candidacy is still active.

It's not clear if Miller will agree to testify before the panel. Miller tweeted Thursday that he "will accept service of this subpoena, but I will defend my rights just as I will defend the rights of my constituents when elected."

Miller also vowed that he would vote to disband the Jan. 6 committee if he is elected to the House.

The panel also issued a subpoena to Robert "Bobby" Peede Jr., who allegedly also met with Trump in the private dining room off the Oval Office on Jan. 4 along with Miller to discuss the rally and lineup of speakers.

Other individuals issued subpoenas on Friday are Brian Jack, Trump's former director of political affairs who allegedly reached out to numerous members of Congress to ask them to speak at the Jan. 6 rally; Bryan Lewis, who the committee says obtained a permit for a rally outside the Capitol on Jan. 6 to urge lawmakers against certifying the election results; Ed Martin, a "Stop the Steal" organizer; and Kimberly Fletcher, an activist with the organization Moms for America who was involved in pro-Trump rallies on Jan. 5 and 6.

Just a reminder, Executive Time does not cover random people off the street. The rally organizers can't use that as an excuse. They can take the Fifth of course, which in turn, is an invitation to have their email and phones subpoena'd.

[PhaelixWW]

Again, I was paywalled so I stated I dont have all the context of the site.

The post immediately after the one you quoted was me stating that the survey was from 2018, so the necessary context was absolutely available to you when you made your post.

[Paranoid Android]

We have a little more info now, but not much.



Just a reminder, Executive Time does not cover random people off the street. The rally organizers can't use that as an excuse. They can take the Fifth of course, which in turn, is an invitation to have their email and phones subpoena'd.

I don't know if I give Trump for being lazy or incompetent in his coup attempt. While he gets no pass of course his haphazard approach of having many people do the work is a sign that Trump is Trump. Maybe my perception of 3rd world Banana Republic coups of say having the Ministry of Transportation being promised or manipulated into the plot gives more credence to those people who say "put in the effort".

Yet, the scary thing is this lazy, incompetent idiot almost did it. The easy answer is in our 2 party system one party decided to follow a fascist and become fascist themselves. The calling around and saying "hey can u find some votes" or "lets get rid of some votes" almost worked. Now the Fascist Party has learned and made laws taking away power from Sec. of States and stop gaps of just in case a Dem is in office.

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The post immediately after the one you quoted was me stating that the survey was from 2018, so the necessary context was absolutely available to you when you made your post.

And I didn't read your post or give 2 effs about your post. Bye!

[PhaelixWW]

And I didn't read your post or give 2 effs about your post. Bye!

Willful ignorance is a disgusting habit.

If that's your thing, the GoP is probably looking for people for a future attack on democracy.

Toodles!

[Kaleredar]

*some nonsense*

*some nonsense*

Good lord what are you two quibbling about?

There's more than enough derision to levy at Trump and his ilk. No need for arguing over pointless semantics with one another over some poll done some time ago about ranking just how terrible Trump is.

[Kaleredar]

So… how about Rand Paul asking for federal assistance for his state after repeated votes against that shit for everyone else?

Well you see, when he (or republicans in general) need it, it's because they're hard working, upstanding citizens who have just fallen on hard times who need a bit of money to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

But when anyone else needs it, it's because they're lazy wellfare queens trying to avoid working by taking other people's money who really should just get a job.

[Orange Joe]

I feel like we should pass something along the line of "if you vote no on a aid/extra spending bill you are not allowed any extra funds from said bill."

[Azadina]

I feel like we should pass something along the line of "if you vote no on a aid/extra spending bill you are not allowed any extra funds from said bill."

Rather make them pay for their idiocy. Let them have the dollars; on the condition that it's a loan that is to be paid back ten fold the following year.

[s_bushido]

I feel like we should pass something along the line of "if you vote no on a aid/extra spending bill you are not allowed any extra funds from said bill."

Unfortunately these scumbags can get away with shit like this because they know the people whose politics aren't based entirely on spite will act to support those in need...regardless of their willingness to vote for said scumbags.

[Breccia]

Pretty much seems to have just decided to not renew his contract.

He didn't seem to say why. This doesn't seem to be resigning in protest or disgust. And yet, he wants another job. Hmm.

Honestly anywhere else would be glad to have him.

[Breccia]

Now they're 100% just entertainment.

They're not going to get a 2024 debate without him, that's for sure. Yes, technically they could replace him with a logical, experienced journalist...but they won't.

[Fugus]

They're not going to get a 2024 debate without him, that's for sure. Yes, technically they could replace him with a logical, experienced journalist...but they won't.

Any logical and experienced journalist knows that accepting that job kills any credibility they have.

Fox deserves to honestly be forced to admit with disclaimers before and after each piece that they aren’t news and shouldn’t have anything they say be interpreted as honest or accurate.

Would love to have the regulations changed so that any non news show that wants to comment on them must clarify before and after each bit that important piece.

[Breccia]

Any logical and experienced journalist knows that accepting that job kills any credibility they have.

So the options are
1) pay a very large amount of money to get a respected journalist, or
2) Get Tucker Carlson Jr.

[Fugus]

So the options are
1) pay a very large amount of money to get a respected journalist, or
2) Get Tucker Carlson Jr.

Yeah, but then the question for #1 becomes, "How much is enough to destroy your entire future as being anything respected"?

Anyone who accepts that post is one who accepts that they just got themselves type cast as a lying shock jock due to the employer that they willingly chose. They also know if they ever try and break that mold and show any integrity they will be fired for doing so as they don't have the name cognition of Wallace and I doubt Fox would allow them to get that recognition either for anything with any integrity.

[PhaelixWW]

Any bets on where he'll end up?

Well, he definitely "switched sides", as he's now working for CNN+.

[Elenos]

Well, he definitely "switched sides", as he's now working for CNN+.

At some point people really can't take the crap that comes out of "conservatives" these days ( I use quotation marks because conservatives is not and should not be equal to the deluded cretins on the right these days ).

An example is the crusade against Fauci. Fauci's latest sin? He declared we might need boosters every year for COVID to deal with the Pandemic, a fact of life by the way things are looking, but for "conservatives" he's a tyrant.

Just madness. The Pandemic has really shown what some people really are.

[Breccia]

( I use quotation marks because conservatives is not and should not be equal to the deluded cretins on the right these days ).

You're describing the reason I separated Republicans from the Party of Trump.

[Kaleredar]

( I use quotation marks because conservatives is not and should not be equal to the deluded cretins on the right these days ).

You're describing the reason I separated Republicans from the Party of Trump.

Personally, until a major political figure from the GOP comes out and says "we don't want you white supremacists, neo-nazis, or 'election fraud' insurrection-supporting, anti-science clods in our party, get the hell out" I'm still going to lump them all together and assume they're happy to have their support.


Judge them by the company they keep, and all...