Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[solinari6]

Trump's lawyer. It was Trump's lawyer saying that. He just happened to be saying it on CNN.

Are you fucking kidding me?
Nice fucking post @solinari6 - jesus slap-dancing-christ, talk about burying the lede.

No, it was not Trump's lawyers. I'm not THAT stupid. It was Ellie something (kinda sexy guy with a nice jaw). He's a fairly straight shooter and he just said that Trumps claims MAY have some merit. The only reason I posted that was to prepare people for the worst, because god knows it happens often.

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No, it was not Trump's lawyers. I'm not THAT stupid. It was Ellie something (kinda sexy guy with a nice jaw). He's a fairly straight shooter and he just said that Trumps claims MAY have some merit. The only reason I posted that was to prepare people for the worst, because god knows it happens often.

The thing is, there isn't "some possible merit". Literally no one has suggested misusing the justice system for political ends, except Republicans.

This is like if Matt Gaetz was publicly running an interstate brothel named "PedoTraffickers" that sold underage girls across state lines to pedorapists, but he wasn't being prosecuted because the AG was a Republican who refused to lay charges, and the new incoming AG said openly that they would be targeting and prosecuting Gaetz to the fullest extent of the law.

That's not because he's Republican. It's because he's a pedorapist who runs a service for other pedorapists. It's about the law-breaking, not politics.

Same deal with Trump and family. It's got nothing to do with politics, and anyone with an ounce of gray matter in their heads knows this. It's about prosecuting lawbreakers. Refusing to give the Trumps a pass because of their political might is the absence of bias or corruption, not a declaration of such.

This is just more of CNN's garbage "both sides of the issue" apologism.

[solinari6]

The thing is, there isn't "some possible merit". Literally no one has suggested misusing the justice system for political ends, except Republicans.

This is like if Matt Gaetz was publicly running an interstate brothel named "PedoTraffickers" that sold underage girls across state lines to pedorapists, but he wasn't being prosecuted because the AG was a Republican who refused to lay charges, and the new incoming AG said openly that they would be targeting and prosecuting Gaetz to the fullest extent of the law.

I think that Ellie's point is that for someone running for AG, they normally stick to things like "No one is above the law, and we will work tirelessly to convict ALL pedo's no matter their party or social status". Otherwise, it can bring up impartiality questions. Is that enough to sway a judge? probably not, but then it depends on the judge, doesn't it?

This sub seems to swing wildly between "Trump and his ilk will never see any time, because rich people always find a way to get out of this shit" and "OOH, subpoenas are flying! Trumps doing down for sure!" I'm much more pessimistic about this stuff, because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than utterly disappointed.

[Edge-]

Otherwise, it can bring up impartiality questions.

But this remains a fairly empty strawman. Prior to 2018 when she ran, we'd already seen the Trump family and their businesses caught up in illegal behavior with a lot of serious questions about their broader interests and behaviors.

During her campaign, from what I can tell, her message was, "I will investigate", focusing on that she would, despite Trump being president, treat him like any other person and investigate accordingly within the state of NY. One could try to argue that's politically motivated, but one could more easily argue that her promise to investigate rather than prosecute was simply her clarifying that in the state of NY she didn't view anyone as "above the law".

[Gorsameth]

Trumps lawyers can claim the subpoena's are politically motivated but the judge will simply ask the same thing they presumably always ask when a subpoena is challenge a simply 'what basis does the prosecution have for the subpoena' and then said prosecution point to an existing mountain of evidence and that's that.

[DarkTZeratul]

I think that Ellie's point is that for someone running for AG, they normally stick to things like "No one is above the law, and we will work tirelessly to convict ALL pedo's no matter their party or social status". Otherwise, it can bring up impartiality questions. Is that enough to sway a judge? probably not, but then it depends on the judge, doesn't it?

The prosecutor doesn't have to be impartial. They almost shouldn't be, even, because their whole job is to make a case against someone. For the same reason, the defense should also be biased towards their client, rather than defending them impartially. Only the judge needs to be impartial, because they're the one actually deciding the case.

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I think that Ellie's point is that for someone running for AG, they normally stick to things like "No one is above the law, and we will work tirelessly to convict ALL pedo's no matter their party or social status". Otherwise, it can bring up impartiality questions. Is that enough to sway a judge? probably not, but then it depends on the judge, doesn't it?

I don't see how it brings up impartiality questions at all.

You're focusing on the misbegotten idea that the only reason an AG could possibly press charges is political bias. And that there could not be some other reason, like actual criminality.

If you want to demonstrate such a bias, that's on you, to the preponderance of the evidence, and "I pulled it right out of the depths of my own biased asshole" is not gonna qualify as evidence at all.

This sub seems to swing wildly between "Trump and his ilk will never see any time, because rich people always find a way to get out of this shit" and "OOH, subpoenas are flying! Trumps doing down for sure!" I'm much more pessimistic about this stuff, because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than utterly disappointed.

Because the AG filing charges is just the start of the process. And the process is inherently and incontrovertibly political, in the USA, not rooted in principles of justice and the law.

The pushback you're getting isn't because of some inconsistency, it's because you made claims that don't really hold up. Is it possible a Trump-favoring judge might not give a shit about the law or basic ethical principles and kick this AG in the ass? Sure. That's the kind of shitshow you get when judges are political appointees or even elected. Does that mean the decision with have legal strength that will resist appeal? Probably not, for the same reasons.

The whole thing is just an attempt to slander a new AG, and try to essentially blackmail them into not doing their jobs. Literally, corruption.

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The prosecutor doesn't have to be impartial. They almost shouldn't be, even, because their whole job is to make a case against someone. For the same reason, the defense should also be biased towards their client, rather than defending them impartially. Only the judge needs to be impartial, because they're the one actually deciding the case.

Seriously, prosecutors are obliged to be incredibly partial. They are not supposed to give a single shit about the accused. That's the defense lawyer's job. That's how an antagonistic system functions; prosecutors are intended to bring charges against suspects if they think they can land a guilty verdict, and the only reason that caveat really even exists is just to ensure the AG's office isn't engaging in either harassment or in wasting government funding on wild goose chases.

[Edge-]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...-accuses-jews/

CEO of company, who had previously paid off Utah Republican debts in an unsuccessful challenge to the states signature-gathering process for candidates and also accused a Republican state lawmaker of paying a woman $1M to accuse the CEO of sexual harassment - a claim which was investigated and there wasn't a shred of evidence to support - sends unhinged email to Utah lawmakers complaining about DER JUDEN.

Covid is all the fault of the Jews, the vaccine is going to sterilize people to "euthanize" the American people. Includes all the usual Bill Gates and George Soros bogeymen.

Why is it that vile, hate-filled, retarded, antisemetic, empty headed conspiracy theorists seem to drawn to the Republican party?

It's almost like the hate, dishonesty, bigotry, and retardation is a core feature of the Republican platform and base.

[cubby]

I think that Ellie's point is that for someone running for AG, they normally stick to things like "No one is above the law, and we will work tirelessly to convict ALL pedo's no matter their party or social status". Otherwise, it can bring up impartiality questions. Is that enough to sway a judge? probably not, but then it depends on the judge, doesn't it?

This sub seems to swing wildly between "Trump and his ilk will never see any time, because rich people always find a way to get out of this shit" and "OOH, subpoenas are flying! Trumps doing down for sure!" I'm much more pessimistic about this stuff, because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than utterly disappointed.

An elected prosecutorial official who is running for office doesn't need to worry about "impartiality". We KNOW they aren't impartial, they are literally paid to NOT be impartial. She's going to be paid to sway a judge.

[No Kings Voter]

"Your Honor, this prosecution is a personal attack on my client ..." said no criminal attorney ever before /s




Ya, only TV or movie lawyers think this is a real defense.

[beanman12345]

Exactly. This was purely a propaganda visit by Trump's attorneys to muddy the waters. It's impressive CNN let them on at all.

Not really all too impressive to me. CNN is home to a lot of Trumpers and just general morons.

[Breccia]

only TV or movie

So, Trump then.

Hey, has anyone seen Giuliani recently? He's been scarce since his non-attorney aide couldn't use privilege and has documents suggesting Trump just flat-out seize evidence under National Security Lol.

"No, really, what did he turn over?"

DRAFT LETTER FROM POTUS TO SEIZE EVIDENCE IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE 2020 ELECTIONS

Kerik is claiming privilege. Which...yeah, he just flat-out can't do that. Oh, that letter was written 12/17 so we already knew at the time he'd lost.

[Edge-]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...-accuses-jews/

CEO of company, who had previously paid off Utah Republican debts in an unsuccessful challenge to the states signature-gathering process for candidates and also accused a Republican state lawmaker of paying a woman $1M to accuse the CEO of sexual harassment - a claim which was investigated and there wasn't a shred of evidence to support - sends unhinged email to Utah lawmakers complaining about DER JUDEN.

Covid is all the fault of the Jews, the vaccine is going to sterilize people to "euthanize" the American people. Includes all the usual Bill Gates and George Soros bogeymen.

Why is it that vile, hate-filled, retarded, antisemetic, empty headed conspiracy theorists seem to drawn to the Republican party?

It's almost like the hate, dishonesty, bigotry, and retardation is a core feature of the Republican platform and base.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...ot-by-the-jews

Update on a text that Batemen sent to a journalist who contacted him to extra clarify that he did send this email (despite receiving confirmation from multiple recipients) -

"Yes. I sent it. I have nothing but love for the Jewish people. Some of my closest friends are Jews. My heart breaks for their 2500 years they’ve been mistreated by nearly every country on earth. But I do believe Scottish Rite Freemasons are behind the pandemic (overwhelmingly Jewish)," he wrote. "And I fear billions of people around the globe right now are being exterminated."

I bet he's got a Black friend who says it's totes ok if Bateman uses the N-word as well.

[postman1782]

LOL, Trump is now doing everything he can to stay out of the limelight.

For those that missed it today. The January 6th committee requested Sean Hannity, of Fox Entertainment, not news, to testify in front of their committee.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/04/polit...ity/index.html

A few weeks ago, they released some of his texts along with some other Fox personalities, and they released more today, where he KNEW that the Trump administration was planning this January 6th stealing of the election, and were planning the insurrection.

The committee asked Hannity for his voluntary cooperation with their investigation, noting it had received "dozens" of his text messages sent to and from former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that indicate that he had "advance knowledge regarding President Trump's and his legal team's planning for January 6th." It sought Hannity's communications with Trump, White House staff and his legal team between December 31, 2020, and January 20, 2021, when President Joe Biden was inaugurated.

And now, with this news today, Trump was planning a January 6th anniversary event, where he was going to celebrate the life of a traitor in Ashlii Babbitt, and blame Antifa and the FBI, and not his supporters for the attack.

Don't know why the Sports section of Yahoo has this story, but here we got. https://sports.yahoo.com/trump-janua...131501370.html
It's linking to a Business Insider article.

Well, now, we know that Trump isn't holding that event any longer. After the news today about Sean Hannity, Trump has decided to cancel his insurrection celebration event. The news was just broken on MSNBC, so I can't seem to find a report that Trump cancelled it yet.

[Edge-]

Well, now, we know that Trump isn't holding that event any longer. After the news today about Sean Hannity, Trump has decided to cancel his insurrection celebration event. The news was just broken on MSNBC, so I can't seem to find a report that Trump cancelled it yet.

https://www.wnct.com/top-stories/tru...ss-conference/

In a statement, Trump blamed the House select committee charged with investigating the Jan. 6 riot for the cancellation. He said he would instead touch on many of the themes he had planned to discuss at the news conference during a rally in Arizona set for Saturday.

Because he was trying to combat

*checks notes*

A prayer service at the Capitol for the victims of the attack.

[postman1782]

https://www.wnct.com/top-stories/tru...ss-conference/



Because he was trying to combat

*checks notes*

A prayer service at the Capitol for the victims of the attack.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ot-anniversary
Yeah, I just found the articles, they wrote them really fast as I was watching the news.

[DarkTZeratul]

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...ot-by-the-jews

Update on a text that Batemen sent to a journalist who contacted him to extra clarify that he did send this email (despite receiving confirmation from multiple recipients) -

Wow, Jews AND Freemasons? What is this, the 1930s?

[Edge-]

Wow, Jews AND Freemasons? What is this, the 1930s?

"The Good Old Days"(TM)

[postman1782]

"The Good Old Days"(TM)

They traded in their swastikas and white hoods, for their red hats.

[Masark]

Wow, Jews AND Freemasons? What is this, the 1930s?

Nah, it's also the 1830s.

One decade just doesn't contain enough bad ideas to satisfy the modern Republican party. They have to scavenge from multiple decades across at least two centuries to get all the bad ideas they need.

you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s, and the economic policies of the 1920s.