Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[jonnysensible]

quite funny that the republicans are openly saying 'we have no platform, and don't want any debates'. And trump is saying 'its about the people who count the votes'.

Yea they aren't intending on letting a thing like voting get in the way of power.

[gondrin]

Oh, did anyone else know Lindell was there? Because he was a guest speaker.



Yes, Lindell is firmly in Trump's camp. He was an invited guest speaker. Therefore, Lindell's claims now reflect on Team Trump. Trump supporters can and wil be asked about those, too.

Well, every incompetent villain has to have their lapdog. I guess Lindell is his.

[Breccia]

Sen. Cassidy [R-LA-LA-Land] went on national TV and said

Now if you're trying to call the United States of America to unity, trying to get us to where we will come to common ground, you don't end up spreading things that are untrue, are frankly lies, and that's why people think we need to filibuster, otherwise you're just totally rolled by somebody who's willing to sacrifice truth to pursue their agenda

I'll let you guess if he was talking about Biden or Trump.

Either way, he's a hypocrite.

By the way, Cassidy did not specifically say what Biden said that was false. Meanwhile we have over 10,000 things Trump said that were false.

[Taifuu]

In 2018, Trump denied that Stormy Daniels was paid $130,000.
In 2018, Trump admitted to paying Michael Cohen the $130,000 for Stormy Daniels.

The same year. For a scandal that was all over the news. If these people didn't have double standards they'd have nothing at all.

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BTC makes a lot of good points; but I what stood out to me was that Sean Hannity claimed that Biden inherited 3 vaccines. The same vaccines that the entire alt-right is bitching about.

[Breccia]

Yep, I believe Wisconsin is investigating their forged documents for fraud.

Just in case it wasn't said, so it Michigan.

Yeah, Team Trump is doing everything they can to damage faith in elections, by falsifying documents, casting ballots for dead people, and the millions of nonexistant votes they just made up.

[Gorsameth]

I really have to question what those politicians were thinking when they signed a fake election certification. Its one thing to shout the grift and 'support the team' with just empty words. But forging official federal documents? Thats a crime that lands you in jail, and the evidence is hilariously easy with your signed name on the document.

Are they so caught up in their own scam that they thought they could actually get away with it?

[Breccia]

I really have to question what those politicians were thinking when they signed a fake election certification.

We need to know more. I was getting the impression (wrong?) that some joker made a fake, forged cert and mailed it to the correct address.

[cubby]

quite funny that the republicans are openly saying 'we have no platform, and don't want any debates'. And trump is saying 'its about the people who count the votes'.

Yea they aren't intending on letting a thing like voting get in the way of power.

Someone in the GQP read Stalin's attributed quote and Mein Kampf and got inspired. We're looking down the barrel of those two dictator's ideologies coming to fruition, mounted by perhaps the dumbest group of people assembled to "lead" a party, followed by somehow even dumber people.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything," misattributed to Josef Stalin.
AND
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, Joseph Goebbels.

This is the new GQP.

[Forogil]

I remember when he claimed Sessions was the worst person he ever hired.
I remember when he claimed Bolton was the worst person he ever hired.
Now Fauci is the worst person he ever hired.

He doesn't seem to be good at hiring if he so often gets that problem, or to paraphrase:

When Trump hires people, he's not hiring the best,
He is hiring people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems.
They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people.

[Edge-]

A new golden idol of Trump spotted in AZ.

Man, I feel like there's a story about a golden idol, some kind of "bull" that's relevant.

[Twdft]

A new golden idol of Trump spotted in AZ.

Look at his hand...




...and feel the punch on your shoulder lol

[postman1782]

Just in case it wasn't said, so it Michigan.

Yeah, Team Trump is doing everything they can to damage faith in elections, by falsifying documents, casting ballots for dead people, and the millions of nonexistant votes they just made up.

Yep, it is in 7 states now. https://www.americanoversight.org/am...trump-electors

That website, has nearly identical documents from 7 states now. And they got those in March of last year.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/polit...ege/index.html

The fake certificates were created by Trump allies in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico, who sought to replace valid presidential electors from their states with a pro-Trump slate, according to documents obtained by American Oversight.

They have the same layout, the same look on copy paper, the only differences is the voters and electoral college votes. And if anyone has seen actual electoral college papers from these states, all of them do it very differently.

Here is an example of the ones from Arizona: https://www.archives.gov/files/ascer...nt-arizona.pdf
Or Wisconsin: https://www.archives.gov/files/elect...-wisconsin.pdf

They don't look like copy and pasted documents, and they have the official state seals and come from the Governor's of each state, not from probably Steve Bannon's fucking copy machine.

[Poopymonster]

Yep, it is in 7 states now. https://www.americanoversight.org/am...trump-electors

That website, has nearly identical documents from 7 states now. And they got those in March of last year.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/12/polit...ege/index.html


They have the same layout, the same look on copy paper, the only differences is the voters and electoral college votes. And if anyone has seen actual electoral college papers from these states, all of them do it very differently.

Here is an example of the ones from Arizona: https://www.archives.gov/files/ascer...nt-arizona.pdf
Or Wisconsin: https://www.archives.gov/files/elect...-wisconsin.pdf

They don't look like copy and pasted documents, and they have the official state seals and come from the Governor's of each state, not from probably Steve Bannon's fucking copy machine.

All are the same except names and numbers. All sent for the same purpose. UnCanny, it's almOst as if a persoN or perSons cooPerated In a way to Remove the ACtual federal paperwork required to tallY their electoral votes...

Falsifying Federal paperwork is Federal offense. Across multiple states, working together? Who knows what charges they'll file. Might have to ask our friend Gerardo.

[postman1782]

All are the same except names and numbers. All sent for the same purpose. UnCanny, it's almOst as if a persoN or perSons cooPerated In a way to Remove the ACtual federal paperwork required to tallY their electoral votes...

Falsifying Federal paperwork is Federal offense. Across multiple states, working together? Who knows what charges they'll file. Might have to ask our friend Gerardo.

Yep, I hope every single one of those electors, the morons that signed those documents besides those people, and the people that put them up, go to prison for a LONG FUCKING TIME.

[Kaleredar]

All are the same except names and numbers. All sent for the same purpose. UnCanny, it's almOst as if a persoN or perSons cooPerated In a way to Remove the ACtual federal paperwork required to tallY their electoral votes...

Falsifying Federal paperwork is Federal offense. Across multiple states, working together? Who knows what charges they'll file. Might have to ask our friend Gerardo.

Hopefully they can move on arresting and charging the proper people responsible.

News of more of these idiot trumpers being taken down for conspiracy is always an uplifting headline. One that will hopefully serve to scare off future attempts at such brazen idiocy.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump tells PA GOP why he is placing an emphasis on Supervisor of Elections races in 22: “We have to be a lot sharper the next time when it comes to counting the vote .. Sometimes the vote counter is more important than the candidate. They have to get a lot tougher and smarter.” https://t.co/WdzStuLxFH

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...zZpyeOOaQ&s=19

Video in link.

So Trump is giving the playbook away. Telling them screw the votes just appoint people who count the votes the way they see fir.

I read highlights of his Arizona rally, continuing to say the election was false.

[Endus]

All are the same except names and numbers. All sent for the same purpose. UnCanny, it's almOst as if a persoN or perSons cooPerated In a way to Remove the ACtual federal paperwork required to tallY their electoral votes...

Falsifying Federal paperwork is Federal offense. Across multiple states, working together? Who knows what charges they'll file. Might have to ask our friend Gerardo.

Yeah, anyone involved at any level of that scheme should be facing a decade or more in prison. You're the temp who printed the documents out for your boss? 10 years. That's the baseline that you move up from. The person who actually signed them? Unless they can prove it was faked, they should be fucked, legally speaking. Like, "here's the arm-long list of charges" fucked, where seditious conspiracy is just the opening salvo.

Beyond the obvious criminality, a message needs to be sent. That this is an ideological war, and the criminal seditionist fascist are gonna fucking lose it. In the sense that everything they love and support is gonna get burned to ash before this is done, not just that people might realize what petty, abusive, shitty people they are. They want to hearken back to the Civil War? Let's pattern the response after Sherman's March to the Sea campaign. Burn everything down around them.

[Corvus]

So Trump is just copying Stalin now

Well, he did always love his Russian dictators.

[Poopymonster]

Yeah, anyone involved at any level of that scheme should be facing a decade or more in prison. You're the temp who printed the documents out for your boss? 10 years. That's the baseline that you move up from. The person who actually signed them? Unless they can prove it was faked, they should be fucked, legally speaking. Like, "here's the arm-long list of charges" fucked, where seditious conspiracy is just the opening salvo.

Beyond the obvious criminality, a message needs to be sent. That this is an ideological war, and the criminal seditionist fascist are gonna fucking lose it. In the sense that everything they love and support is gonna get burned to ash before this is done, not just that people might realize what petty, abusive, shitty people they are. They want to hearken back to the Civil War? Let's pattern the response after Sherman's March to the Sea campaign. Burn everything down around them.

Hey y'all, don't make fun of their incestors.

[Breccia]

So Trump is giving the playbook away. Telling them screw the votes just appoint people who count the votes the way they see fit.

Simply put, the states in which this would work have enough GOP leadership that it would be allowed to work.

I hope other countries are watching. The EU and Japan, for example, should be prepared to immediately cut off all ties to the US if the US becomes a dictatorship.

EDIT: Also, I would hope (but not expect) even Trump's SCOTUS would be wary of such a thing. If there is a coordinated attempt between states for those states to overrule the will of the people and just appoint Trump dictator, it will land on their doorstep when Biden's DoJ does their job and, well, arrests them for sedition. Because treason is still illegal.

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Rep. McCaul [R-TX] goes on CNN and says the key to blocking Russia from Ukraine was staying in Afghanistan.

McCaul told host Jake Tapper the key to preventing a Russian invasion into Ukraine is deterrence.

“But I'm not seeing a lot of deterrence," McCaul said. "I'm seeing some tough rhetoric, but not a lot of action. I would recommend — I talked to Deputy Secretary Wendy Sherman prior to her negotiations — that you have to put things on the table like sanctions. You have to talk about more arms sales, weapon sales to Ukraine.”

McCaul, a high-ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said the U.S. needed to project strength after its “moment of weakness” last year, when President Biden withdrew troops from Afghanistan and the Taliban quickly took control of the country.

McCaul said world leaders from Russian President Vladimir Putin to North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Chinese President Xi Jinping "all view that as a moment of weakness."

“So we are not projecting strength, as Reagan talked about, but, rather, projecting weakness, which, historically, going back to Hitler and Chamberlain, always invites aggression," McCaul added. "And I think you're going to see a lot more of it."

"Oh, so he also said Trump was wrong to negotiate with the Taliban terrorists to leave Afghanistan?"

No.

"Did he criticize Trump for doing nothing about Ukraine?"

No.

"Did he while Trump was in the WH?"

Well let's see, he was elected while Trump was in the WH, so I'm going with "no".

"...any chance you could check?"

Honestly I think it would be the Trump supporter's job to prove their party isn't full of hypocrites when stuff like this comes up. But fine, whatever. From March 2, 2020:

While a number of GOP defense hawks have raised objections to the agreement — which would lead to the removal of all U.S. forces from Afghanistan over the next 14 months — other key Republicans are tentatively backing the accord, which is a priority for President Donald Trump.

"There's a healthy amount of skepticism, but I think we have to give it a chance to work," said Rep. Michael McCaul (Texas), the ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. "If they [the Taliban] violated the conditions, the deal is off... It's something they have to give a chance."

McCaul added: "We knew the Taliban is not a nice organization, they're pretty ruthless. But what's the alternative?"

So, yeah, hypocrisy. McCaul seems pretty sure the idea was fine until Biden had to follow through.