Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Poopymonster]

Yeah, anyone involved at any level of that scheme should be facing a decade or more in prison. You're the temp who printed the documents out for your boss? 10 years. That's the baseline that you move up from. The person who actually signed them? Unless they can prove it was faked, they should be fucked, legally speaking. Like, "here's the arm-long list of charges" fucked, where seditious conspiracy is just the opening salvo.

Beyond the obvious criminality, a message needs to be sent. That this is an ideological war, and the criminal seditionist fascist are gonna fucking lose it. In the sense that everything they love and support is gonna get burned to ash before this is done, not just that people might realize what petty, abusive, shitty people they are. They want to hearken back to the Civil War? Let's pattern the response after Sherman's March to the Sea campaign. Burn everything down around them.

Hey y'all, don't make fun of their incestors.

[Breccia]

So Trump is giving the playbook away. Telling them screw the votes just appoint people who count the votes the way they see fit.

Simply put, the states in which this would work have enough GOP leadership that it would be allowed to work.

I hope other countries are watching. The EU and Japan, for example, should be prepared to immediately cut off all ties to the US if the US becomes a dictatorship.

EDIT: Also, I would hope (but not expect) even Trump's SCOTUS would be wary of such a thing. If there is a coordinated attempt between states for those states to overrule the will of the people and just appoint Trump dictator, it will land on their doorstep when Biden's DoJ does their job and, well, arrests them for sedition. Because treason is still illegal.

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Rep. McCaul [R-TX] goes on CNN and says the key to blocking Russia from Ukraine was staying in Afghanistan.

McCaul told host Jake Tapper the key to preventing a Russian invasion into Ukraine is deterrence.

“But I'm not seeing a lot of deterrence," McCaul said. "I'm seeing some tough rhetoric, but not a lot of action. I would recommend — I talked to Deputy Secretary Wendy Sherman prior to her negotiations — that you have to put things on the table like sanctions. You have to talk about more arms sales, weapon sales to Ukraine.”

McCaul, a high-ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said the U.S. needed to project strength after its “moment of weakness” last year, when President Biden withdrew troops from Afghanistan and the Taliban quickly took control of the country.

McCaul said world leaders from Russian President Vladimir Putin to North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Chinese President Xi Jinping "all view that as a moment of weakness."

“So we are not projecting strength, as Reagan talked about, but, rather, projecting weakness, which, historically, going back to Hitler and Chamberlain, always invites aggression," McCaul added. "And I think you're going to see a lot more of it."

"Oh, so he also said Trump was wrong to negotiate with the Taliban terrorists to leave Afghanistan?"

No.

"Did he criticize Trump for doing nothing about Ukraine?"

No.

"Did he while Trump was in the WH?"

Well let's see, he was elected while Trump was in the WH, so I'm going with "no".

"...any chance you could check?"

Honestly I think it would be the Trump supporter's job to prove their party isn't full of hypocrites when stuff like this comes up. But fine, whatever. From March 2, 2020:

While a number of GOP defense hawks have raised objections to the agreement — which would lead to the removal of all U.S. forces from Afghanistan over the next 14 months — other key Republicans are tentatively backing the accord, which is a priority for President Donald Trump.

"There's a healthy amount of skepticism, but I think we have to give it a chance to work," said Rep. Michael McCaul (Texas), the ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. "If they [the Taliban] violated the conditions, the deal is off... It's something they have to give a chance."

McCaul added: "We knew the Taliban is not a nice organization, they're pretty ruthless. But what's the alternative?"

So, yeah, hypocrisy. McCaul seems pretty sure the idea was fine until Biden had to follow through.

[Templar 331]

No. 2 Senate Republican John Thune says Trump’s election lies distract GOP from winning

Shame he still sounds very much like a current Republican, though.

I'm sure he'll get a call soon and start parroting Trump's lies again. If any of these people cared about their party or country they'd unequivocally renounce Trump, but they know he's a tool to further their influence.

[draynay]

I'm sure he'll get a call soon and start parroting Trump's lies again. If any of these people cared about their party or country they'd unequivocally renounce Trump, but they know he's a tool to further their influence.

The Republican party is made up exclusively of tools.

[Xyonai]

I'm sure he'll get a call soon and start parroting Trump's lies again. If any of these people cared about their party or country they'd unequivocally renounce Trump, but they know he's a tool to further their influence.

Republicans only seem to find their spines to denounce the obvious bullshit when they're either already out the door or in a super safe seat. And even then the rebuttals are so nothing that it amounts to simply saying 'Being mean is bad' and then just prance on their merry way.

[postman1782]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hours...d-trump-rally/

So, apparently some people were required to wait upwards of 4 hours to leave the rally. Claiming that Trump and the Secret Service were keeping everyone there until Trump left. A video compilation of Tiktoks showed that one woman was a first time Trump rally attendee and she wanted to leave early to beat traffic, and listen to the rest on the Nazi platformers Right Side Broadcasting, but she was denied exit til Trump left. Some people even pissed their pants, because there were no bathrooms/porta-potties in the parking lot.

This isn't the first time that Trump has screwed his rally attendees though. He left people stranded in Nebraska because he didn't pay the bus company to pick people up after his rally, in the freezing cold.

[Shadowferal]

Conservative pundit Ann Coulter says Trump 'is done'

"Trump is done," Coulter, a onetime Trump booster turned critic, wrote in an email to The New York Times. "You guys should stop obsessing over him."

Coulter's comments came in an article published in the Times on Sunday about the mounting tensions between Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) amid speculation of a potential showdown for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

While DeSantis has so far sought to tamp down rumors that he's angling for a possible White House bid, his rise within the GOP and growing national profile have irked Trump, who sees the Florida governor as owing his political success to him.

Trump has privately griped about DeSantis's refusal to publicly commit to foregoing a 2024 run if the former president chooses to mount another bid for the White House.

Trump also appeared to take a swipe at DeSantis during a recent interview with the conservative One America News Network in which he slammed politicians who won't say whether they received a COVID-19 booster shot as "gutless." DeSantis has repeatedly dodged questions about his booster status.

Coulter pounced on Trump over those comments in a tweet last week calling the former president a "liar and con man."

"EXCLUSIVE: Trump is demanding to know Ron DeSantis's booster status, and I can now reveal it," Coulter wrote. "He was a loyal booster when Trump ran in 2016, but then he learned our president was a liar and con man whose grift was permanent. I hope that clears things up."

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Beating each other up...a bit.

[Xyonai]

Skeletor has been attacking Jabba for a while now. It’s entertaining to watch.

The Wicked Witch of the South is just annoyed Trump wasn't better at enacting the hyper-regressive agenda monsters like her have been calling for, and now feels that his rampant unpopularity will just hang as an albatross on the necks of the more tactful regressives hoping to backpedal us into the worse parts of the 1950s. So all she's doing is hoping she can rally whatever audience she has left into turning on him.

[Edge-]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hours...d-trump-rally/

So, apparently some people were required to wait upwards of 4 hours to leave the rally. Claiming that Trump and the Secret Service were keeping everyone there until Trump left. A video compilation of Tiktoks showed that one woman was a first time Trump rally attendee and she wanted to leave early to beat traffic, and listen to the rest on the Nazi platformers Right Side Broadcasting, but she was denied exit til Trump left. Some people even pissed their pants, because there were no bathrooms/porta-potties in the parking lot.

This isn't the first time that Trump has screwed his rally attendees though. He left people stranded in Nebraska because he didn't pay the bus company to pick people up after his rally, in the freezing cold.

I'll wait for more verification, but given the prior track record as you reference, I wouldn't be remotely surprised.

Drinking piss and pissing their pants, maybe not willingly, to own the libs.

[Endus]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/hours...d-trump-rally/

So, apparently some people were required to wait upwards of 4 hours to leave the rally. Claiming that Trump and the Secret Service were keeping everyone there until Trump left. A video compilation of Tiktoks showed that one woman was a first time Trump rally attendee and she wanted to leave early to beat traffic, and listen to the rest on the Nazi platformers Right Side Broadcasting, but she was denied exit til Trump left. Some people even pissed their pants, because there were no bathrooms/porta-potties in the parking lot.

This isn't the first time that Trump has screwed his rally attendees though. He left people stranded in Nebraska because he didn't pay the bus company to pick people up after his rally, in the freezing cold.

Pretty sure that's unlawful detainment, if they aren't lying and if they have the gonads to lawyer up. That it's Secret Service (supposedly) doing it doesn't change that.

[Breccia]

because there were no bathrooms/porta-potties in the parking lot

Why would there be? There was enough shit on the stage.

[Breccia]

Huh. Here's something I didn't think would happen.

So a 71-year-old Trump cultist was sentenced for being part of the murderous insurrection. Another Trump cultist, citing other Trump cultists as character witnesses, said that this Trump cultist should get leniency.

All standard stuff...except it was a NY sentence in a NY court.

Incidentally the guy asking for leniency is screaming into the wind. One, the sentence was 50 days in jail and $1,000 -- the lightest we've seen so far. Two, the dude pled guilty. Three, it's a misdemeanor. In most countries, being part of a (checks Oath Keepers situation) armed insurrection attempting to overthrow a fair and legal democratic election is a little more than a misdemeanor. Submitting a few church letters saying "he was a nice guy when he wasn't committing treason" shouldn't really affect things.

"Surely the issue here is really he was a peaceful, caring, 71-year-old family man who doesn't deserve prison time for an honest mistake. Surely he was just there to express his frustration and was swept up with the mob, I mean tour group, by accident."

I'll let the prosecution take that one.

Tryon is one of a much smaller group of rioters because he was expressly told by law enforcement officers that he could not enter the Capitol Building. He stood at the front of a mob that faced off with law enforcement officers at the entry to the Capitol. Tryon intentionally disregarded the officers because his intent to either interfere with or disrupt the Congressional proceedings was greater than compliance with the instructions given to him.

Once outside the Capitol, Tryon encouraged other rioters and attempted to rally the crowd on the grounds of the Capitol by standing atop a vehicle with a microphone and chanting the lyrics of the song 'We're Not Gonna Take It' by rock group, Twisted Sister. He also celebrated the riot by posing for a video.

So no, "please spare the confused and helpless poor old man, he didn't know what he was doing" is summarily rejected. I'm ever caught for lobbing Molotovs at a Dairy Queen, I don't expect my students saying "he seemed perfectly nonviolent during class hours" to be a valid defense. Especially considering the distance I would have to travel to lob Molotovs at a Dairy Queen. No joke, the closest one is over an hour away in a different country. Pretty sure that counts as premeditation.

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You don't have to watch this Rachael Maddow clip, nor do you need to read this text as it was caught that day, but in it, she shows every Vice President since 1992 announcing the counting of election votes.

They all said the same thing...except Pence. Pence added about +100% extra words to the "script" saying there was only one correct legal submission per state.

The suggestion, then, was that Pence knew there were going to be multiple documents this time. Which, gee, seems to be the case now.

There are three possible ways this could happen.
1) That assumption is incorrect. Pence was just being Pence and adhering to the rules 100% and making it absolutely clear that's what he was doing. And possibly, predicting that such a plot would hatch without knowing it was there.
2) Pence knew ahead of time there were fake election forms because he was around when that conspiracy was announced.
3) Pence knew ahead of time there were fake election forms because someone tipped him off.

It seems more and more likely Pence will need to speak on the record about this. I realize he doesn't want to -- he already had one lynch mob try to murder him.

[Endus]

You don't have to watch this Rachael Maddow clip, nor do you need to read this text as it was caught that day, but in it, she shows every Vice President since 1992 announcing the counting of election votes.

They all said the same thing...except Pence. Pence added about +100% extra words to the "script" saying there was only one correct legal submission per state.

The suggestion, then, was that Pence knew there were going to be multiple documents this time. Which, gee, seems to be the case now.

There are three possible ways this could happen.
1) That assumption is incorrect. Pence was just being Pence and adhering to the rules 100% and making it absolutely clear that's what he was doing. And possibly, predicting that such a plot would hatch without knowing it was there.
2) Pence knew ahead of time there were fake election forms because he was around when that conspiracy was announced.
3) Pence knew ahead of time there were fake election forms because someone tipped him off.

It seems more and more likely Pence will need to speak on the record about this. I realize he doesn't want to -- he already had one lynch mob try to murder him.

Frankly, it was Pence setting the groundwork so that he could declare pre-emptively which documents were the "correct legal submission", to support the coup, if the insurrectionists had succeeded. He's priming the public to be aware of the "incorrect" ones (which support Biden's election), so when he dismisses them in favor of the actual fakes, it's not shocking.

Can they prove that in court? Unlikely. But I'd eat my hat if that's not what was going on.

[Edge-]

https://bangordailynews.com/2022/01/...alse-electors/

Supporters of Donald Trump privately discussed ways they could gain access to the Michigan Capitol on Dec. 14, 2020, when the battleground state’s presidential electors met, according to four sources with knowledge of the planning.

The conversations reveal how Trump’s Michigan backers were considering further escalating their unsuccessful effort to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s victory by getting inside the building where the state’s true 16 electors were scheduled to meet to solidify the result. The building was closed that day to the public.

Multiple sources said a group of Trump supporters contemplated working with a Republican lawmaker who had a Capitol office to get the 16 Trump electors inside or finding a way inside before the building was sealed off. The idea was to attempt to comply with a legal requirement that Michigan’s presidential electors meet inside the Capitol at 2 p.m. on Dec. 14.

But state GOP leaders were not on board with the scheme, according to the sources, and it ultimately didn’t happen.

“[W]e convened and organized in the state Capitol, in the city of Lansing, Michigan, and at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the 14th day of December 2020,” said an inaccurate certificate signed and submitted to the National Archives by the 16 Trump electors in Michigan.

The 16 Republicans who signed the document also inaccurately claimed they were the “duly elected and qualified electors.”

Yo, when do we start tossing folks in jail? Can we bring back the public stockades so we can throw rotten produce at these anti-democratic fucks?

[Gorsameth]

https://bangordailynews.com/2022/01/...alse-electors/



Yo, when do we start tossing folks in jail? Can we bring back the public stockades so we can throw rotten produce at these anti-democratic fucks?

Oh look, 16 people that falsified federal documents.

Throw
The
Book
At
Them

10 years prison, every single one.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...21902551007234

Child questions Dan Crenshaw's faith, Dan Crenshaw isn't having it. And neither is the audience. Given his inability to respond respectfully to a 10 year old child, which isn't surprising given the conservative "Combat" mindset, I'm not surprised at the response. He's been going after Greene, so he's on their shitlist.

Amusingly, 10 year old girl isn't happy with his response yet he continues to try to explain himself, accusing her of "twisting" his words which sounds really familiar.

And then, inexplicably, we have a few "Let's go Brandon" comments because...I honestly don't know anymore. I assume this is like a mating call for birds, it's how conservatives identify each other if they're not all peacocked out with the red MAGA hat.

[Drutt]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...21902551007234

Child questions Dan Crenshaw's faith, Dan Crenshaw isn't having it. And neither is the audience. Given his inability to respond respectfully to a 10 year old child, which isn't surprising given the conservative "Combat" mindset, I'm not surprised at the response. He's been going after Greene, so he's on their shitlist.

Amusingly, 10 year old girl isn't happy with his response yet he continues to try to explain himself, accusing her of "twisting" his words which sounds really familiar.

And then, inexplicably, we have a few "Let's go Brandon" comments because...I honestly don't know anymore. I assume this is like a mating call for birds, it's how conservatives identify each other if they're not all peacocked out with the red MAGA hat.

Wow, that is some spectacularly unnecessary assholery on display there. Who treats kids like that? Incredible.

[Edge-]

Wow, that is some spectacularly unnecessary assholery on display there. Who treats kids like that? Incredible.

I mean, it's a shitty question from the kid - and I can get the immediate frustration with having your faith questioned. But this is what happens when you live the "combat mindset" of modern conservatism in the US - it's always on and you can forget to turn it off. Everything is a battle. There is a winner and a loser in everything. And if you're not "winning", then you're "losing", whatever the hell that even means in a situation like this.

[Drutt]

I mean, it's a shitty question from the kid - and I can get the immediate frustration with having your faith questioned. But this is what happens when you live the "combat mindset" of modern conservatism in the US - it's always on and you can forget to turn it off. Everything is a battle. There is a winner and a loser in everything. And if you're not "winning", then you're "losing", whatever the hell that even means in a situation like this.

Kids will always ask awkward questions. It's part of them being kids and should be expected. What matters is how you handle it, and Crenshaw failed spectacularly. He was the adult in the conversation.

It's not like it was a hard question to handle, either, and speaks volumes about his character.

[Edge-]

It's not like it was a hard question to handle, either, and speaks volumes about his character.

Agreed. And remember, he's positively centrist/establishment compared to many in his party like Greene and Gomar and Trump. When even your moderates can't stop being shitty for 10 seconds to answer a question from a literal child, maybe your "ideology" (quotes because the Republican party legit doesn't have a coherent ideology) is only capable of producing folks like Gaetz, Cruz, and Crenshaw that maybe something is amiss.