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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/nati...ar-a-lago.html

    One, two, three...FIFTEEN boxes of White House records were illegally taken by Trump to Mar a Lago, and are now back in the hands of the National Archive where they legally belong.

    Yo, what kind of monetary value is associated with these documents? Does this qualify as grand-theft?
    Honestly surprised Trump didn't try to make them NFTs to sell to his sheep base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Honestly surprised Trump didn't try to make them NFTs to sell to his sheep base.
    I'd like to think not even Trump would stoop to lootboxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'd like to think not even Trump would stoop to lootboxes.
    Isn't that what his university gave out as diplomas? Lootboxes. Figure you had as good a chance with a lootbox as you would with a Trump University diploma to land a job somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Isn't that what his university gave out as diplomas?
    No, that's more like buying a kickstarter. You wanted Resident Evil 4 and end up with Amy. But it wasn't a grab-bag, everyone got zilch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/nati...ar-a-lago.html

    One, two, three...FIFTEEN boxes of White House records were illegally taken by Trump to Mar a Lago, and are now back in the hands of the National Archive where they legally belong.

    Yo, what kind of monetary value is associated with these documents? Does this qualify as grand-theft?
    How many of those documents were photocopied and sold to foreign agents you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    How many of those documents were photocopied and sold to foreign agents you think?
    If they're what we're implying, none. Why would Trump sell evidence of his crimes to Russia?

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    https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wir...oilet-clogged/

    Donald Trump’s bizarre obsession with household water pressure, which had the former president complaining that Americans are forced to flush their toilets 10 to 15 times a bathroom session, may finally get the context we did not deserve.

    Maggie Haberman reports in her forthcoming book Confidence Man that White House staffers regularly discovered flushed clumps of paper clogging a White House toilet, a plumbing nightmare that led many to believe that Trump may have been attempting to destroy documents.

    “The engineer would have to come and fix it, and what the engineer would find would be wads of clumped up wet, printed paper—meaning it was not toilet paper,” Haberman told CNN this morning.
    Now "engineer" is a weird term for a plumber but like...does the FBI need to do no-knock warrants on the Trump administration? Because it seems like they were trying to flush documents down the toilet before anyone found out like law enforcement worry about drug dealers doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wir...oilet-clogged/



    Now "engineer" is a weird term for a plumber but like...does the FBI need to do no-knock warrants on the Trump administration? Because it seems like they were trying to flush documents down the toilet before anyone found out like law enforcement worry about drug dealers doing.
    Then maybe he should have invested into a Ferguson Toilet like Al Bundy did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    I think that is the point. Without them, the supply chain screeches to a haul. They hold all the power.
    At least in Canada, the protests didn't do much RE supply chain, so I doubt it'll do in the United States. There are literally millions of truckers in North America, but only a couple thousands are actually going to those protests and staying for a significant amount of time. There would need to be something like 100 000 truckers stopping for the situation to get noticeably worse, and I strongly doubt this'll happen considering most aren't Nurgle cultists and/or don't own their trucks and face dire consequences if they stop working like this.

    I know it's anecdotal, but I work at a Costco supply depot that services more than 30 stores, and our truckers getting COVID/leaving for higher paying jobs during one week is what damaged our chain, and it lasted maybe a week. Now we're actually getting more vans than we can unload since we're short-staffed basically everywhere but all in all the protests didn't amount to much.
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...rds-act-2022-2

    "In actuality, I have been told I was under no obligation to give this material based on various legal rulings that have been made over the years," Trump said in his statement.
    Trump, denying reports taht documents were flushed down the toilet, claims he was unaware of the Presidential Records Act. Sure, but someone in his administration should have known about it...right? It's hardly the first time this has come up, it was a frequent topic during his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...rds-act-2022-2



    Trump, denying reports taht documents were flushed down the toilet, claims he was unaware of the Presidential Records Act. Sure, but someone in his administration should have known about it...right? It's hardly the first time this has come up, it was a frequent topic during his presidency.
    I wonder if he realizes that every single time he denies something he only just confirms it.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ghts-amendment

    Three Republicans senators are urging the U.S. Archivist not to certify the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) amid a campaign by Democrats, who are calling for the decades-old statute to be added to the Constitution.

    Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) and Mitt Romney (R-Utah) penned a letter to U.S. Archivist David Ferriero on Tuesday, asking for his “commitment” that he will not certify the ERA.

    The letter comes as Democrats and advocacy groups are encouraging Ferriero to add the ERA to the Constitution as the 28th amendment before he retires from his post in April.

    “In light of the calls for you to disregard your duty and certify the ERA, we write to ask for your commitment that you, and the acting Archivist who will take over in April, will not certify or publish the ERA, which failed to achieve ratification by the states and is no longer pending before them,” the senators wrote.
    Reminder: There are no good Republicans, not even Mit Romney.

    This Amendment was passed by Congress, and now has the required approval from 38 states, it can legally be added to the Constitution as an Amendment. Republicans are arguing that it should not be - despite it having cleared every requirement - because it's "redundant" which seems a bit like an odd criticism.

    Apparently, Republicans don't think women deserve equal pay for equal work, legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "I have been told--"
    Trump uses "someone told me" all the time, to lie. This is just another example.

    I tell you what: if a single Trump WH employee comes forward and says "Yes, I told him he could do that", Trump gets a pass. Of course, whoever that poor soul is immeidately gets arrested, so there's that.

    I would expect dozens of WH staff to have not just told Trump he can't do that, but then to have told others they saw him do it anyhow. Yes, he should have been arrested when he kept doing it, but I'm guessing there's work emails that cover 2017 to 2020 that will back "We told Trump and he did it anyhow".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump uses "someone told me" all the time, to lie. This is just another example.

    I tell you what: if a single Trump WH employee comes forward and says "Yes, I told him he could do that", Trump gets a pass. Of course, whoever that poor soul is immeidately gets arrested, so there's that.

    I would expect dozens of WH staff to have not just told Trump he can't do that, but then to have told others they saw him do it anyhow. Yes, he should have been arrested when he kept doing it, but I'm guessing there's work emails that cover 2017 to 2020 that will back "We told Trump and he did it anyhow".
    Pretty sure there is no clause in that law saying, “If the person violating the law didn’t know they were breaking the law, or didn’t intend to break the law, then it’s OK and they won’t be held accountable.” Feel free to look and tell me if I’m wrong, but I’ve got a hunch that particular law doesn’t care about those lies or intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftowner View Post
    Pretty sure there is no clause in that law saying, “If the person violating the law didn’t know they were breaking the law, or didn’t intend to break the law, then it’s OK and they won’t be held accountable.” Feel free to look and tell me if I’m wrong, but I’ve got a hunch that particular law doesn’t care about those lies or intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...rds-act-2022-2

    Trump, denying reports taht documents were flushed down the toilet, claims he was unaware of the Presidential Records Act. Sure, but someone in his administration should have known about it...right? It's hardly the first time this has come up, it was a frequent topic during his presidency.
    Thankfully, that isn't a defense, it's just a description of the particular negligence he's responsible for that will justify a conviction.

    It's essentially a confession of wrongdoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
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    Reminder: There are no good Republicans, not even Mit Romney.

    This Amendment was passed by Congress, and now has the required approval from 38 states, it can legally be added to the Constitution as an Amendment. Republicans are arguing that it should not be - despite it having cleared every requirement - because it's "redundant" which seems a bit like an odd criticism.

    Apparently, Republicans don't think women deserve equal pay for equal work, legally.
    Well, "good" Republicans are on a sliding scale, where the "good" ones just want to maintain the white supremacist and oligarchic status quo for the benefit of themselves and their allies, at the expense of anyone not in the 1% or not white.

    But they're not Nazis, and don't want to step it right up to death camps. Unlike the majority of their leadership and base these days.

    It's very much "hey, Stalin was a monster, sure, but he wasn't Hitler" levels of rationalization.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Well, "good" Republicans are on a sliding scale, where the "good" ones just want to maintain the white supremacist and oligarchic status quo for the benefit of themselves and their allies, at the expense of anyone not in the 1% or not white.
    I'd wager that the "good" Republicans just call themselves Independents to distance them from the rest of Rupublicandom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I'd wager that the "good" Republicans just call themselves Independents to distance them from the rest of Rupublicandom.
    Frankly, I've yet to meet an "independent" who wasn't a staunch conservative. It's always "I vote Republican in every election but I'm ashamed of it".

    Meanwhile, people like myself who rarely vote the same party twice in a row get called "partisans".


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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftowner View Post
    Feel free to look and tell me if I’m wrong
    Nah, I'll let the Trumpers do that to defend their chosen leader. Or, more realistically, not say anything and admit you're right.

    But, what I'd like is still proof that Trump was told and did it anyhow. Evidene that could be used against him in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Depends entirely on the law. Some require intent.
    That's about intent regarding your actions, not their legality. You can potentially do something illegal and not get in trouble because it was an accident, but I don't think there's any situation where you can intentionally do something that's illegal and not be in trouble because the thing you deliberately did was something you thought was legal.
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