1. #76761
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Are you claiming Phaelix is a "rightie"? Because that's wrong. If, however, you're saying that people on the right going ballistic over those deaths is justification for Breccia using hyperbole here I might be more inclined to agree.
    The latter. Since trump, says it like it is deal with it, left office righties have their panties in knots and pearls clutched so hard acting as if they are actually offended these days.

  2. #76762
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Such an increase needs to be shoved in his face at the next debate. Label him as "the Welfare Governor"



    It's mostly done to shove the death toll in the face of those calling for Biden to resign after the bombing, by putting the number in their context. @DarkTZeratul is correct.

    But you're right -- that's pretty heartless of me. I'll stop, and I apologize.
    Exactly.

    Call him a big-government welfare queen. Make it the primary talking point of all his future campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Hell you could work for 3-6 months then take the rest of the year off
    Umm... I don't know. If I were a nurse I don't think I could just up and leave until things were more or less under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    And this is after some Florida cities have cut back on water treatment oxygen. Even that isn't enough. Why are their deaths so low, again? Oh, right, the blatant lying.
    and that makes me wonder if we'll start seeing spikes in diseases you only see when water treatment fails
    ..which would also need the ICU beds that are full....

    well giardiasis shit.
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Just because they ignore the deaths of the "brown-skinned people" doesn't mean that we should. Those Afghans were innocent victims, too.
    Some were, some were not. Reportedly around 30 was Taliban. They are plenty of things, but innocent or victim isn't one of those things.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Hey @Benggaul

    A group of parents sued DeSantis over his mask ban ban and won.

    Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper ruled in favor of a group of parents who sued DeSantis over his executive order, arguing it was unconstitutional. He ruled the order is “without legal authority” and is by definition “arbitrary” and “capricious.”

    Cooper issued an injunction stopping the Department of Education from taking any action against local districts that require masks in schools without a parental opt-out.
    Not just the Kings of Leon district. They can all do this.

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    We'll see how far this goes. The House Murderous Insurrection Panel has asked social media platforms to turn over the records of the murderous insurrectionists.

    I expect the tech giants not to comply, not because they're shielding murderous insurrectionists, but because they'll want to publicly resist what seems to be a slippery slope.

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    Just got home from work to see that Florida has, again, set a new record for new cases. 27,584. I'm sure their 8 reported deaths is really representative of reality.

    But hey, it's okay! They've got those monoclonal antibody centers set up everywhere right? Oh, except not everyone is eligible for them and they're already maxed out anyway.

    Fuck DeathSantis and Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Saw that, and am hoping it's used as ammo against mask mandate bans nation-wide. But I'm betting it'll still be bogged down in endless appeals. Meanwhile, hopefully enough schools flip off governors Abbott, DeathSantis et al and institute mask mandates regardless.

  8. #76768
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Hey @Benggaul

    A group of parents sued DeSantis over his mask ban ban and won.



    Not just the Kings of Leon district. They can all do this.

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    We'll see how far this goes. The House Murderous Insurrection Panel has asked social media platforms to turn over the records of the murderous insurrectionists.

    I expect the tech giants not to comply, not because they're shielding murderous insurrectionists, but because they'll want to publicly resist what seems to be a slippery slope.
    They might publicly resist but they will privately comply. Nothing scares tech giants more then the threat of government intervention in their business and "you shielded murderous insurrectionists so we need to regulate you more" is the last thing they want to hear.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  9. #76769
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    They might publicly resist but they will privately comply. Nothing scares tech giants more then the threat of government intervention in their business and "you shielded murderous insurrectionists so we need to regulate you more" is the last thing they want to hear.
    Yep. Look at the video game industry and the ESRB or the music/movie industry with their rating system. All were because they were afraid the government was going to come in and regulate what kind of content there was.

  10. #76770
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Yep. Look at the video game industry and the ESRB or the music/movie industry with their rating system. All were because they were afraid the government was going to come in and regulate what kind of content there was.
    Uhhhh… the movie rating system replaced the old Hays code which would actually prevent “immoral” movies from being distributed. They switched to the MPAA system so that what morons thought immoral could be distributed while still letting parents know if their kid could see it. Really didn’t have shit to do with worrying about government censorship. Which would have been a pretty easy case to win based on the First Amendment.

  11. #76771
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Uhhhh… the movie rating system replaced the old Hays code which would actually prevent “immoral” movies from being distributed. They switched to the MPAA system so that what morons thought immoral could be distributed while still letting parents know if their kid could see it. Really didn’t have shit to do with worrying about government censorship. Which would have been a pretty easy case to win based on the First Amendment.
    The First Amendment does not protect you when you try to organise a murderous insurrection.

    The big fear for social media platforms is being held responsible for the speech others put on their platform.
    Look at the moves from twitter, facebook, ect in the wake of Trumps election to try and combat 'fake news' and foreign troll accounts. They don't care if people are lying to you on their platform, they love those folks because they are some of their best customers. But the danger is that the government steps in and makes them do it in much more restrictive ways then their own efforts.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  12. #76772
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Uhhhh… the movie rating system replaced the old Hays code which would actually prevent “immoral” movies from being distributed. They switched to the MPAA system so that what morons thought immoral could be distributed while still letting parents know if their kid could see it. Really didn’t have shit to do with worrying about government censorship. Which would have been a pretty easy case to win based on the First Amendment.
    And once again, the Hays code was something the movie industry came up with to prevent the government from coming in with their own regulations that would more then likely be more restrictive(like how old someone can be before being able to view something). Outside of some laws pertaining around pornography, everything else is a self-enforced set of standards.

    The whole reason for any self enforced rating system(either in movies, music of video games) is so the government doesn't come in and do it. And yes, the government can regulate speech to a certain extent. They do it with television(cannot show certain materials on non premium channels, cannot show any form of nudity(outside of a topless male) at anytime between 6AM and 10PM due laws pertaining around obscene material). And yes, certain "obscene" materials don't pertain to the first amendment and can be restricted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    And once again, the Hays code was something the movie industry came up with to prevent the government from coming in with their own regulations that would more then likely be more restrictive(like how old someone can be before being able to view something). Outside of some laws pertaining around pornography, everything else is a self-enforced set of standards.

    The whole reason for any self enforced rating system(either in movies, music of video games) is so the government doesn't come in and do it. And yes, the government can regulate speech to a certain extent. They do it with television(cannot show certain materials on non premium channels, cannot show any form of nudity(outside of a topless male) at anytime between 6AM and 10PM due laws pertaining around obscene material). And yes, certain "obscene" materials don't pertain to the first amendment and can be restricted.
    The hays code isn’t the movie ratings system and the reason the ratings system exists has nothing to do with fear of government intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    The First Amendment does not protect you when you try to organise a murderous insurrection.
    This is true. It also does not protect other crimes, like "stick 'em up, this is a robbery!"

    My concern in this case, hopefully unwarranted HARDEE HAR HAR, is that the House will do something, erm, "less recommended" like send Google a Post-It note saying "we need your records". Facebook has no desire to just turn over everyone's records of everything Jan 5-7. And they do have every right, plus a profit-based reason, to say "no, that's not how this works".

    The House needs to play this smart. Ask for specific people's communications, then follow the bread crumbs from there. If the Jan 6th panel handles this like a trial, rather than a circus, they might get what they want. If they make a big flashy public spectable, Apple doesn't need to attend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The hays code isn’t the movie ratings system and the reason the ratings system exists has nothing to do with fear of government intervention.
    Well, this states different. Yes it is Wikipedia but it is there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion..._the_Hays_Code

    Jack Valenti, who had become president of the Motion Picture Association of America in May 1966, deemed the Motion Picture Production Code – in place since 1930 and rigorously enforced since July 1, 1934 – as out of date and bearing "the odious smell of censorship". Filmmakers were pushing at the boundaries of the Code with some even going as far as filing lawsuits against the Hays Code by invoking the First Amendment, and Valenti cited examples such as Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, which contained the expressions "screw" and "hump the hostess"; and Blowup, which was denied Code approval due to nudity, resulting in the MPAA member studio releasing it through a subsidiary. He revised the Code to include the "SMA" (Suggested for Mature Audiences) advisory as a stopgap measure. To accommodate "the irresistible force of creators determined to make 'their films'", and to avoid "the possible intrusion of government into the movie arena", he developed a set of advisory ratings which could be applied after a film was completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, this states different. Yes it is Wikipedia but it is there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion..._the_Hays_Code
    The main point of that is they were worried about losing lawsuits to creators regarding censorship. The government intervention was an afterthought and mainly was with regards to making sure the government didn’t get pissed they were rating movings in a manner that would trick parents into allowing their kids to see something they didn’t want them seeing. They weren’t worried about the government saying movies couldn’t be exhibited.

  17. #76777
    Friday's report:

    190,370 new cases; about 7.5k more than last Friday.

    Top 10:

    Fuck Florida (27.5k according to worldometers; new record)
    Texas: 18,785 new cases; 294 deaths
    California: 15,928 new cases; 115 deaths
    Georgia: 11,084 new cases; 61 deaths
    North Carolina: 8,105 new cases; 47 deaths
    Tennessee: 7,635 new cases; 41 deaths
    South Carolina: 6,830 new cases; 39 deaths
    Illinois: 4,942 new cases; 19 deaths
    Ohio: 4,855 new cases; 24 deaths

    If it seemed before that Florida's cases were plateauing, today's numbers make that less likely. Until DeathSantis starts focusing more on prevention than "lookee here we got this expensive treatment!" cases will probably remain high--and regardless of those expensive treatments, high case counts means high death counts. Georgia posted their highest total since early this year. Not their highest overall, but it made their top 5 ever. Meanwhile cases are also exploding throughout the rest of the South. South Carolina in particular posted their second-highest total ever. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and South Carolina are all listed as "severe" risk. South Dakota is now up to 22.4% positivity. Washington, however, is currently at the top of that list with 27.5%--broken down to the county level you can guess which parts are driving that jump.

    1,304 deaths is about 130 more than last Friday and brings the total to 653,405. Florida, Texas and California had the most, as usual. Texas is pushing 300, but hey, apparently they've been anticipating things being this bad for weeks now. Keep on "mastering" the pandemic, Texas.

    Related news:

    Eric Clapton sings 'enough is enough' on new COVID policy protest song 'This Has Gotta Stop'--Welp, fuck Eric Clapton then. I'm sure his superspreader tours through the South in September will go swimingly.

    More COVID-19 shots, studies offer hope for US schools
    The Biden administration said half of U.S. adolescents ages 12-17 had gotten at least their first COVID-19 vaccine, and the inoculation rate among teens is growing faster than any other age group.
    ...
    A study of COVID-19 cases from the winter pandemic peak in Los Angeles County found that case rates among children and adolescents were about 3½ times lower than in the general community when schools followed federal guidance on mask wearing, physical distancing, testing and other virus measures, officials said.
    Because I think we could all use a little glimmer of hope.

    Stay safe, folks.

  18. #76778
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    This is true. It also does not protect other crimes, like "stick 'em up, this is a robbery!"

    My concern in this case, hopefully unwarranted HARDEE HAR HAR, is that the House will do something, erm, "less recommended" like send Google a Post-It note saying "we need your records". Facebook has no desire to just turn over everyone's records of everything Jan 5-7. And they do have every right, plus a profit-based reason, to say "no, that's not how this works".

    The House needs to play this smart. Ask for specific people's communications, then follow the bread crumbs from there. If the Jan 6th panel handles this like a trial, rather than a circus, they might get what they want. If they make a big flashy public spectable, Apple doesn't need to attend.
    Its weird your afraid of the committee shooting randomly when the article you yourself linked goes into that.
    The companies are being asked to turn over a large trove of information, including internal and external reviews of 2020 election misinformation or violent extremism, all content given to law enforcement related to those subjects and all relevant internal communications.
    Its also weird that you feared they would not comply when it says
    Spokespersons for Reddit and Facebook confirmed receipt of the letter and pledged to cooperate with the committee, as did Google, speaking on behalf of itself and YouTube.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Its weird your afraid of the committee shooting randomly
    I still am, yes. But I did miss that bit about cooperation -- that's really good news.

  20. #76780
    Florida Mother and Daughter, Both Unvaccinated School Workers, Die of COVID

    If DeathSantis wants to keep ignoring basic safety measures like mask mandates for schools then we'll just keep reading these stories.

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