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    Breaking News: The prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s inquiry into Donald Trump have resigned. The D.A. is said to have doubts about the case.

    FML.

    Paywall but reading other places and no reason specifically given. Idk where this goes, but as I always predicted the powerful and I guess rich get away with shit. It's not over but this puzzling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    It's not over but this puzzling.
    That is odd. But, as the article says, the grand jury's seen plenty of evidence. And there's always the civil trial.

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    I'm willing to bet they resigned due to threats from right-wing extremists towards not only themselves but family members including their children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Breaking News: The prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s inquiry into Donald Trump have resigned. The D.A. is said to have doubts about the case.

    FML.

    Paywall but reading other places and no reason specifically given. Idk where this goes, but as I always predicted the powerful and I guess rich get away with shit. It's not over but this puzzling.
    From the twitter comments, at least, it sounds like they resigned because the new DA had doubts about moving forward.

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    A triple threat out of Texas this morning:

    Greg Abbot, not to be outdone by DeSantis' 'Don't say gay' bill which would legally obligate teachers to out LGBT students to their parents, decides to go ahead with outright Criminalizing Parents supporting their trans children as child abuse Seen Here in the Order itself. Because why try and fix solvable issues when you can just continue to abuse and beat down a scape-goated minority group? Though speaking of failing to fix solvable issues...

    The former chief of Texas' Power Grid testified today that Greg Abbot instructed officials to charge the Maximum Amount for power during last year's winter storm.

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    The former head of the Texas power grid testified in court Wednesday that when he ordered power prices to stay at the maximum price cap for days on end during last year’s frigid winter storm and blackout, running up billions of dollars in bills for power companies, he was following the direction of Governor Greg Abbott.

    Bill Magness, the former CEO of the Electric Reliabilty Council of Texas, said even as power plants were starting come back online former Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker had told him that Abbott wanted them to do whatever necessary to prevent further rotating blackouts that left millions of Texans without power.

    “She told me the governor had conveyed to her if we emerged from rotating outages it was imperative they not resume,” Magness testified. “We needed to do what we needed to do to make it happen.”
    Now as we know now, running prices so high didn't actually do anything to solve the rolling blackouts caused by an unprecedented snowstorm and, in the end, just left Texas citizens holding the bag and left one of the companies involved filing for bankruptcy. Though, speaking of Gregg Abbot apparently not giving a shit about his citizens...

    Gov. Greg Abbot floats pardons for Austin Police officers charged with excessive force in 2020 protests:

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    Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday blasted the indictment of more than a dozen Austin police officers for alleged excessive force during the May 2020 racial justice protests — and dangled the possibility of pardons for them.

    “Those officers should be praised for their efforts, not prosecuted,” Abbott said in a statement. “Time will tell whether the accusations against the courageous Austin police officers is a political sham. Time will also tell whether I, as Governor, must take action to exonerate any police officer unjustly prosecuted.”

    Travis County District Attorney José Garza's office, which brought the indictments, responded to Abbott's statement by defending the decision to pursue charges.

    "Unlike the Governor, we believe that no one is above the law, and that our communities are safer when people see and believe that is true," the office said in a statement...

    ...Each officer faces two counts of aggravated assault, a first-degree felony when committed by a law enforcement officer. The charges are punishable by five to 99 years in prison, or a fine of up to $10,000.
    While this last bit might be more suited for the Police thread - and may have already been posted there by the time I posted this - the rule of three compelled me to tie this post together with this last story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Breaking News: The prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s inquiry into Donald Trump have resigned. The D.A. is said to have doubts about the case.

    FML.

    Paywall but reading other places and no reason specifically given. Idk where this goes, but as I always predicted the powerful and I guess rich get away with shit. It's not over but this puzzling.
    The two prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his business practices abruptly resigned on Wednesday amid a monthlong pause in their presentation of evidence to a grand jury, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The stunning development comes not long after the high-stakes inquiry appeared to be gaining momentum, and throws its future into serious doubt.

    The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations after the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said.

    Mr. Pomerantz confirmed in a brief interview that he had resigned, but declined to elaborate. Mr. Dunne declined to comment.

    Without Mr. Bragg’s commitment to move forward, the prosecutors late last month postponed a plan to question at least one witness before the grand jury, one of the people said. They have not questioned any witnesses in front of the grand jury for more than a month, essentially pausing their investigation into whether Mr. Trump inflated the value of his assets to obtain favorable loan terms from banks.

    The precise reasons for Mr. Bragg’s pullback are unknown, and he has made few public statements about the status of the inquiry since taking office. In a statement responding to the resignations of the prosecutors, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bragg said that he was “grateful for their service” and that the investigation was ongoing.

    Time is running out for this grand jury, whose term is scheduled to expire in April. Prosecutors can ask jurors to vote to extend their term, but generally avoid doing so. They also are often reluctant to impanel a new grand jury after an earlier one has heard testimony, because witnesses could make conflicting statements if asked to testify again.

    And without Mr. Dunne, a high-ranking veteran of the office who has been closely involved with the inquiry for years, and Mr. Pomerantz, a leading figure in New York legal circles who was enlisted to work on it, the yearslong investigation could peter out.

    The resignations, following the monthlong pause, mark a reversal after the investigation had recently intensified. Cyrus R. Vance Jr., Mr. Bragg’s predecessor, convened the grand jury in the fall, and prosecutors began questioning witnesses before his term concluded at the end of the year. (Mr. Vance did not seek re-election.)

    In mid-January, reporters for The Times observed significant activity related to the investigation at the Lower Manhattan courthouse where the grand jury meets, with at least two witnesses visiting the building and staying inside for hours.

    The witnesses were Mr. Trump’s longtime accountant and an expert in the real estate industry, according to people familiar with the appearances, which have not been previously reported. Mr. Dunne and Mr. Pomerantz also made regular appearances at the courthouse.

    The burst of activity offered a sign that Mr. Bragg was forging ahead with the grand jury phase of the investigation, a final step before seeking charges.

    But in recent weeks, that activity has ceased, and Mr. Dunne and Mr. Pomerantz have been seen only rarely.

    The pause coincides with an escalation in the activity of a parallel civil inquiry by the New York state attorney general, Letitia James, whose office is examining some of the same conduct by Mr. Trump.

    Ms. James, who last week received approval from a judge to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath, has filed court documents describing a number of ways in which the Trump Organization appeared to have misrepresented the value of its properties.

    She concluded that the company had engaged in “fraudulent or misleading” practices, and although she lacks the authority to criminally charge Mr. Trump, she could sue him.

    Mr. Bragg’s office must meet a higher bar to bring a criminal case and has encountered a number of challenges in pursuing Mr. Trump, including its inability thus far to persuade any Trump Organization executives to cooperate.

    Mr. Trump has disputed the notion that he inflated his property values or defrauded his lenders, and has accused Mr. Bragg and Ms. James, both Democrats who are Black, of being politically motivated and “racists.”

    “I’ve been representing Donald Trump for over a year in this case and I haven’t found any evidence that could lead to a prosecution against him, or any crimes,” said a lawyer for Mr. Trump, Ronald P. Fischetti. “I hope Mr. Bragg will now look again at all the evidence in the case and make a statement that he is discontinuing all investigation of Donald Trump.”

    As Mr. Bragg’s grand jury presentation has come to a halt, another serious criminal inquiry into the former president has been gaining steam. In recent weeks, a district attorney in Atlanta asked a judge to convene a grand jury for an investigation into Mr. Trump’s attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

    Another criminal investigation, in New York’s Westchester County, is examining Mr. Trump’s financial dealings at one of his company’s golf courses.

    The Manhattan investigation, which proceeded in fits and starts for years, was the most developed of the three criminal inquiries into Mr. Trump. It resulted in the indictments last summer of The Trump Organization and its long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, on separate tax-related charges.

    After announcing those charges, the prosecutors zeroed in on a subject that has spurred much debate over the years: Mr. Trump’s net worth.

    They have questioned whether Mr. Trump defrauded his lenders — sophisticated financial institutions like Deutsche Bank — by routinely inflating the value of his assets, The New York Times has previously reported.

    In particular, the prosecutors have focused on annual financial statements Mr. Trump provided the lenders, scrutinizing whether he overvalued his various hotels, golf clubs and other properties to score the best possible loan terms.

    Mr. Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, compiled the statements based on information provided by the Trump Organization, leading the prosecutors to question whether the company had given its accountants bogus data.

    Early this month, Mazars notified the Trump Organization that it would no longer serve as its accountant and that it could no longer stand behind a decade of Mr. Trump’s financial statements.

    Mazars said it had not, “as a whole,” found material discrepancies between the information the Trump Organization provided and the true value of Mr. Trump’s assets.

    But given what it called “the totality of circumstances” — including its internal investigation and Ms. James’s court papers — Mazars instructed the company to notify anyone who had received the statements that they “should not be relied upon.”

    Even with Mazar’s retraction, a criminal case would likely be difficult to prove. The documents, known as statements of financial condition, contain a number of disclaimers, including acknowledgments that Mr. Trump’s accountants had neither audited nor authenticated his claims.

    And the prosecutors have thus far been unable to convince Mr. Trump’s long-serving chief financial officer to cooperate with the investigation, depriving them of the type of insider witness whose testimony can be crucial to complicated white collar criminal cases.

    The origins of the inquiry. The investigation started after Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer, testified to Congress that Mr. Trump and his employees had manipulated his net worth to suit his interests.

    The findings. Ms. James detailed in a recent filing what she said was a pattern by the Trump Organization to inflate the value of the company’s properties in documents filed with lenders, insurers and the Internal Revenue Service.

    The potential impact. Because the investigation is civil, the attorney general cannot file criminal charges and would have to sue Mr. Trump. Ms. James could seek financial penalties and try to shut down certain aspects of Mr. Trump’s business.

    Mr. Trump’s lawsuit. In December Mr. Trump sued Letitia James, the New York attorney general, seeking to halt the inquiry. The suit argues that the attorney general’s involvement in the inquiry is politically motivated.

    Pushing back. Lawyers for the Trump family had sought to prevent Ms. James from obtaining documents as part of the inquiry and interviewing Mr. Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump under oath. But a State Supreme Court judge in Manhattan has rejected the efforts.

    Mr. Trump’s lenders might also not make for sympathetic victims with a jury. The lenders, which made millions of dollars in interest from Mr. Trump, conducted their own assessments of his assets.

    Despite the challenges, the prosecutors had been moving forward.

    In the fall, Mr. Vance convened what is known as a special grand jury, a panel of 23 Manhattan residents, chosen at random, to hear complex cases like the one involving Mr. Trump. Over the course of months, the jurors were expected to meet in secret to hear testimony from witnesses and examine other evidence put forward by the prosecutors.

    Special grand juries last six months, and at the end of these presentations, prosecutors typically direct the jurors to vote on whether there is “reasonable cause” to believe that the person could be guilty. While it is not a foregone conclusion that a grand jury will indict the target of an investigation, such panels routinely vote to bring the charges that prosecutors seek.

    Late last year, the grand jury heard testimony from Mr. Trump’s accountant at Mazars about Mr. Trump’s annual financial statements, The Times previously reported. Soon after, the prosecutors questioned two editors for Forbes Magazine, which has estimated Mr. Trump’s net worth over the years for its billionaires list.

    The accountant testified again last month, people with knowledge of the appearance said.

    A day later, the prosecutors questioned a real estate expert who specializes in property valuation, according to people with knowledge of that appearance. The witness works for the consulting firm FTI, which the district attorney’s office hired in 2020 to help analyze Mr. Trump’s financial documents.

    In the days after this testimony, the prosecutors lined up at least one other witness to appear before the grand jury. But late last month, they postponed the testimony, according to one of the people with knowledge of the matter.

    Both the Manhattan district attorney and the New York attorney general have been investigating whether Mr. Trump and his company inflated the value of their properties to obtain favorable loan terms.

    If Mr. Bragg ultimately closes the investigation, he could face political fallout in Manhattan, where Mr. Trump is generally loathed. And the district attorney has already had a rocky start to his tenure, after a memo he released outlining his policies for the office was met with furious pushback from local officials, small businesses and the public.

    Mr. Bragg — who was sworn in on Jan. 1 — is a former federal prosecutor and veteran of the New York State attorney general’s office, where he oversaw civil litigation against Mr. Trump and his administration under Ms. James’s predecessor.

    The district attorney’s criminal investigation into Mr. Trump began in the summer of 2018 under Mr. Vance, who initially looked into the Trump Organization’s role in paying hush money to a pornographic actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

    The inquiry grew out of a federal case against Mr. Trump’s former fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who pleaded guilty to arranging the hush money and said he did so at the direction of Mr. Trump.

    The focus of the investigation shifted after Mr. Vance, in 2019, subpoenaed Mazars for copies of Mr. Trump’s tax returns. Mr. Trump sued to block the subpoena, sparking a bitter 18-month legal battle that saw the former president take the case to the United States Supreme Court, where he lost twice.

    Mr. Dunne, who served as Mr. Vance’s general counsel and stayed on to help Mr. Bragg with the Trump investigation, argued the case before the Supreme Court. And around the time that the prosecutors received Mr. Trump’s tax documents, Mr. Vance recruited Mr. Pomerantz, a prominent former prosecutor and defense lawyer, to help lead the investigation.

    Around this time, the prosecutors turned their attention to Mr. Weisselberg, pressuring him to cooperate. But he refused, and in July, they announced an indictment against him and the Trump Organization.

    The case accused Mr. Weisselberg and the company of a 15-year scheme to pay for luxury perks for certain executives, like free apartments and leased Mercedes-Benzes, off the books.

    Mr. Weisselberg pleaded not guilty and his lawyers filed court papers this week seeking to dismiss the charges. A judge has tentatively scheduled a trial for late summer.
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    https://www.kentucky.com/news/politi...258667388.html

    Two legislators in the state’s Capital Projects and Bond Oversight Committee have apologized after using anti-Semitic language when commenting on a state lease agreement on Tuesday.

    Rep. Walker Thomas, R-Hopkinsville, and committee chairman Sen. Rick Girdler, R-Somerset, both used the phrase “Jew them down” in reference to bargaining for a lower price on a lease.

    Thomas made the first use of the phrase following a brief presentation from Scott Aubrey, Director of the Division of Real Properties. Aubrey informed the committee of the Department of Corrections’ $1 lease from a company in Mayfield – needed due to the devastating Dec. 10 storms – and another $1 lease there from the same company for the Cabinet of Health and Family Services.

    Girdler then asks if there are any questions on the matter. Thomas is heard faintly on a hot mic laughing after asking if the state could “jew them down on the price.”

    The committee chairman then repeats Thomas’ words, shortly thereafter recognizing their impropriety.

    We’ve got a representative up here (asking) if you could Jew them down a little bit on the price,” Girdler said, pausing briefly. “That ain’t the right word to use. ‘Drop them down,’ I guess.

    Thomas said he has heard the phrase “throughout” his life and offered an apology to anyone harmed by his use of it.

    I sincerely regret using that term and apologize to anyone harmed by my use of it. This is not who I am, nor is it what my faith leads me to be,” Thomas said. “It is a phrase I have heard throughout my life, but this experience has provided me with an opportunity to reflect on the impact that words have and the fact that we must be smarter today than we were yesterday.
    In which Republicans think that racism is just "standard" and not actually racism. Whoops.

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    Ivanka in talks to voluntarily talk to Jan 6th panel.

    "Really, it's my pleasure to comply since my involvement is publicly known anyhow," she basically said. "Getting arrested for this just before Trump Org gets sued to the ground would just be stupid."

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    i think i learned from the mueller report that nothing will happen to the trump clan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Hey @cubby what's the rule about things you tell a prosecutor? Even ignoring the highly likely assumption Weaselberg was Miranda'd, someone in the business of doing shady shit for generations should know better than to talk to prosecutors without your lawyer. Hell, I know that and I've only been to court for speeding tickets because they haven't found the bodies yet oh shit did I type that?

    This is more of the same, but it bears mentioning, because Team Trump keeps doing stuff that doesn't work over and over. Maybe because they're stalling, maybe because they don't have a valid defense.
    Lol - there are actually some things you can tell a prosecutor that can't be used against you, however, that's only after and then with your lawyer negotiating and then being present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Breaking News: The prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s inquiry into Donald Trump have resigned. The D.A. is said to have doubts about the case.

    FML.

    Paywall but reading other places and no reason specifically given. Idk where this goes, but as I always predicted the powerful and I guess rich get away with shit. It's not over but this puzzling.
    This is very odd - not because the Manhattan DA isn't going for charges, because they might be working in tandem with the NYAG's office, and the AG's office might be taking point. It's very odd because they resigned, suddenly, and are the two lead prosecutors on the case.

    Nothing, absolutely nothing, good will come from this development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    i think i learned from the mueller report that nothing will happen to the trump clan.
    Yup laws don't apply to these types of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’m willing to bet they were paid off…
    worse than that, structural problems in americans justice system that no body wants to fix yay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’m willing to bet they were paid off…
    The AG doesn't want to move forward, so the prosecutors resign in protest and you think its the prosecutors that were paid off? If anyone was payed off its the new AG.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Really? All the reporting I’ve seen is that they want to prosecute but AG Bragg doesn’t. So they quit.
    It was the Manhattan DA Prosecutor's that resigned. Just clarifying - you're seeing they quit because the State AG doesn't want to prosecute?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    It was the Manhattan DA Prosecutor's that resigned. Just clarifying - you're seeing they quit because the State AG doesn't want to prosecute?
    Not the state AG, the new Manhattan DA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Not the state AG, the new Manhattan DA.
    And he is absolutely fucking delusional if he thinks there is no crime there. They have all of the evidence they could ever need to put him away for any financial crimes they would ever need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Bragg is the New York County AG, and that’s the word. So they said fuck this and resigned in protest.
    I think you mean DA, but yes, they resigned in protest, saying they have enough evidence to charge him. Which they clearly do. So what happened to Bragg? Was he paid off? Threatened by Republicans? Russians? Who knows. I hope James is like nope, fuck off, we will take it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Bragg is the New York County DA, and that’s the word. So they said fuck this and resigned in protest.
    Right - that's why I was asking why you referenced the NY State AG's office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Thanks for the catch. I’ll edit my post. It’s such a weird situation, but it’s disheartening to see. I don’t care how many people voted for Trump or how much money he allegedly has. I just want him to be held accountable for the multiple verified felonies he has committed.
    It really is - and their resignation might be a indication that formal charges against Trump/TrumpOrg aren't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Not the state AG, the new Manhattan DA.
    Yeah, I know - that's why I was asking him to clarify. So far the State AG's office is going full tilt. But the Manhattan DA's prosecutor's resignation is a bad sign regardless.

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    Palin, having just lost her lawsuit against the NYTimes, tries a bold strategy: suing them again, without any new evidence.

    No, really.

    As we already know, the jury was about to throw out the case, the judge said "I'm about to throw out the case". Palin's lawyers claimed that the judge biased the jurors. Of course, the jurors have repeatedly said that's not the case. But, out of an overabundance of caution, the judge is letting Palin try again, basically shrugging and saying "you're going to lose that one too".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    If she wants to waste more money on lawyers good for her.
    I hope she does too. This bill will be quite expensive. Courts don't take kindly to wasting their time on purpose and this if anything may give the NYT a case against her.
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