Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[cubby]

Bragg is the New York County DA, and that’s the word. So they said fuck this and resigned in protest.

Right - that's why I was asking why you referenced the NY State AG's office.

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Thanks for the catch. I’ll edit my post. It’s such a weird situation, but it’s disheartening to see. I don’t care how many people voted for Trump or how much money he allegedly has. I just want him to be held accountable for the multiple verified felonies he has committed.

It really is - and their resignation might be a indication that formal charges against Trump/TrumpOrg aren't going to happen.

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Not the state AG, the new Manhattan DA.

Yeah, I know - that's why I was asking him to clarify. So far the State AG's office is going full tilt. But the Manhattan DA's prosecutor's resignation is a bad sign regardless.

[Breccia]

Palin, having just lost her lawsuit against the NYTimes, tries a bold strategy: suing them again, without any new evidence.

No, really.

As we already know, the jury was about to throw out the case, the judge said "I'm about to throw out the case". Palin's lawyers claimed that the judge biased the jurors. Of course, the jurors have repeatedly said that's not the case. But, out of an overabundance of caution, the judge is letting Palin try again, basically shrugging and saying "you're going to lose that one too".

[shimerra]

If she wants to waste more money on lawyers good for her.

I hope she does too. This bill will be quite expensive. Courts don't take kindly to wasting their time on purpose and this if anything may give the NYT a case against her.

[Breccia]

Once again, it is not a good day to be Donald Trump.

1) Obviously, top of the list is "Trump praised Putin and Putin's attack on Ukraine". It is hard to act more like a Russian asset, than saying that in public.

Within 24 hours of taking a shot at an MSNBC guest for blaming the invasion on Trump, FOX News decided to interview Trump during Kyslytsya's UN speech.

Ingraham hosted. Because of course she did.

We know how that went. Trump said this was smart and bigly and nice. Then he blamed Biden.

I think he wanted to do something and negotiate it and it got worse and worse. He saw the weakness—when it really started with the weakness in Afghanistan. The way they pulled out of Afghanistan. I really believe that’s where he started to think he could do this.

Then he blamed the "Russia hoax".

It was hurt by the Russia hoax. You see what happened with Durham and those reports and other reports including Mueller. It was a made-up hoax and it hurt our country

Incidentally, how would Trump and Putin's relationship be damaged by a story that was (a) false and (b) they both knew it was false? You'd think they'd both handwave it and move on with their lives.

Then, he blamed the "rigged election".

I think that’s what happened. He was gonna be satisfied with the peace. And now he sees the weakness and incompetence and stupidity of this administration.

As an American, I am angry about it and I’m saddened by it. And it all happened because of a rigged election! This would have never happened!

Incidentally, "the victim was weak" is not an excuse for committing a crime. If anything, it makes the crime worse. If Putin was going to be happy with the peace that was going to happen, why would Biden not doing anything suddenly an excuse to murder innocent Ukrainians? Trump thinks it is.

All of that is bad enough. Then it goes from "Russian agent" to "incompetent Russian agent".

Turning back to Trump for reaction, the Fox News host called the Ukrainian ambassador a “defeated man” while simultaneously swiping at Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for imploring Putin not to attack his country, describing it as a “pathetic display.”

Trump, however, somehow thought Ingraham had reported about “the amphibious attacks by Americans” in Ukraine and that she was giving out classified information.

“You shouldn’t be saying that because you and everybody else shouldn't know about it,” a startled Trump blared. “They should do that secretly and not be doing that through the great Laura Ingraham. They should be doing that secretly!”

Ingraham, in the end, reassured Trump that she wasn't talking about U.S. forces but rather the Russian military in Ukraine, prompting the former president to casually conclude that American military action “will be next.”

Question 1: how they fuck would Ingraham get classified information? I mean now, not under Trump.

Question 2: why would Trump think Ingraham was talking about a US invasion force that somehow she knew about but he didn't, openly in public?

Question 3: why should the US be doing it secretly if it this whole thing was Biden's fault and Putin is being nice and bigly and yuge?

Nothing about that part makes sense. Even by Trump standards, the mix of senile and insane is high.

For what little credit she's due, Ingraham did correct Trump...live on air. Because Trump gave her two choices, both bad. At least she picked the one where she sides with the facts. This time.

2) According to a recent study, Trump's language in tweets (back when he had those) took a measurable, quantifiable difference when he tells what he thinks is the truth, and when he tells what he knows is a lie. In addition to 23-30% of his tweets being objectively false, when lying he uses more but smaller words, more negation words, and moves from first-person to third-person. We knew that last one, "everybody's saying" is a common Trump lie.

The majority of fact-checked incorrect statements by ex-President Trump were probably not told by accident

3) Melania Trump tried to give money to a startup school in Oklahoma. They rejected it. (We've discussed this tangentally before, when she failed to register in Florida as a fund-raiser as required by Florida law) Melania claims she was trying to donate anonymously...but...

We were approached about a scholarship by her team but never reached an agreement on the logistics of the scholarship

-- the school

She was putting restrictions on who could get the scholarships. Incidentally, while I'm not linking it, Melania was complaining on her own website -- not Trump's, not Trump's social media platform.

4) The defamation lawsuit from Carroll is going forwards. (This is the lawsuit Trump tried to use Barr for) Not only is did Trump lose his countersuit claim, but the accuser no longer needs Trump to testify, but is demanding his DNA. Generally speaking, I don't think you can make that kind of request in court if you don't have something to compare it to. Yes, the parallel is highly ironic.

5) The trucker convoy is off to choke DC...they have one truck. It might have something to do with (a) what happened in Canada making these people realize they might actually face consequences for their crimes, and (b) Biden calling out the National Guard.

[D Luniz]

Truth Social's logo is strikingly similar to that of a British trucking company. The company says it's considering legal action.

Trump stole a family crest for that golf course in Scotland, so stealing logos is par for the course....


I'll see myself out.

[Shadowferal]

...just awful...

[Edge-]

https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvan...-few-vehicles/

The first "trucker protest" in the US is...not off to a great start. 1 truck and 7 other vehicles total.

They've already fucked off to go back home after getting lost in DC.

[gondrin]

https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvan...-few-vehicles/

The first "trucker protest" in the US is...not off to a great start. 1 truck and 7 other vehicles total.

They've already fucked off to go back home after getting lost in DC.

My favorite part is when you get to his list of things he is protesting about.

Bolus said his protest encompasses a slew of grievances against what he said was government overreach. His list of grievances included foreign oil imports, pandemic restrictions, the economy and even critical race theory. Bolus also objects to Scranton changing the names of two roads to honor its native son, Biden.

“You are not taking any more of our rights away,” Bolus said on Tuesday. “You are giving rights to illegals. It’s ok for them to do but not us as American citizens. We want the pipeline put back into service. We want fuel back in our country. We want to go back to where we were before instead of giving the rights to foreign countries to put the screws to us because they are feathering their own nests.”

So, complains about foreign oil imports but demands the opening to one coming from Canada. Changing the names of roads to Biden. Giving rights to illegals, whatever that means(they get the same rights as everyone else in the Constitution).

Typical far right nonsense. Other then fuel prices, nothing concrete and all abstract.

[D Luniz]

https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvan...-few-vehicles/

The first "trucker protest" in the US is...not off to a great start. 1 truck and 7 other vehicles total.

They've already fucked off to go back home after getting lost in DC.

To quote another person promoting a bad idea
"DONT YOU HAVE PHONES?"
How did they get lost in this age of Google maps and such

[Edge-]

To quote another person promoting a bad idea
"DONT YOU HAVE PHONES?"
How did they get lost in this age of Google maps and such

Shit man, Mapquest maps printed out or using a proper GPS device works too. Or like...you know...and actual literal physical map like many folks used to have in their cars.

[postman1782]

https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvan...-few-vehicles/

The first "trucker protest" in the US is...not off to a great start. 1 truck and 7 other vehicles total.

They've already fucked off to go back home after getting lost in DC.

I heard they went there, and got down to a standstill, because the trucker got 2 flat tires.

LOL, Same fucking convoy too. https://wset.com/newsletter-daily/bo...-delayed-start

I hope someone fucking sabotaged him.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-...b0afc668bda3b9

Former Chief of Staff John Kelly is SHOCKED that Trump would praise Putin. SHOCKED!

I mean, I don't know why since it was one of the most obvious things to predict ever. And you didn't even have to literally work closely with Trump to know this.

Fuck your stupid shit, Kelly. Fuck you.

[Fugus]

Tbf, even with navigation DC is confusing for many Americans. The layout is seriously weird and the number of one way streets can make it very difficult to backtrack.

I can vouch for this from personal experience, honestly surprised I didn't end up with $500 in traffic tickets from how jacked up their stuff is there.

Only place I have ever been where a solid green light with an arrow on it doesn't mean you have the right of way in turning that direction and still have to watch for traffic.

Also, their lights are half the size of my local lights and instead of having them hung up over the streets, they were like 5-10 foot off to the right handside of the road and they liked to put trees and signs in front of them so you couldn't see them until you were close.

Also loved how they would have roads that veer to the right until you have an intersection than it would shoot back over to the left as you crossed it. And all the one way roads....

Can definitely tell that place wasn't planned out in the slightest and they went with a "Get in where you fit in" approach to building. Anyone who plans for a layout like that earns their place in the deepest pits of hell. It's like something you would put on a simulation game when you felt like being a dick to you populace.

[Poopymonster]

Shit man, Mapquest maps printed out or using a proper GPS device works too. Or like...you know...and actual literal physical map like many folks used to have in their cars.

FREEDOM PHONES don't use commie google maps, socialist mapquest, or any of that shit. GPS? Goverment PEEKING service device. They'll know where I'm at.

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I remember tracing our path across the US when we moved around years ago. Those old school map books were great.

I still have a Rand McNally road atlas in the backseat of my car, just in case.

[DarkTZeratul]

If you look at a map you can see it was planned out, just with more artistic intent of layout than logistics. Then we went to cars and lordy lordy.

I was given to understand it was intentionally laid out in that manner so as to confuse invading armies.

[Breccia]

Former Chief of Staff John Kelly is SHOCKED that Trump would praise Putin. SHOCKED!

Which time?

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Yet another murderous insurrectionist sentenced to prison time. 75 days is light, considering.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1496941034303107077

Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville, making a compelling argument against democracy, claims that Russia is invading Ukraine because...communism. Because he thinks Russia is still an agrarian communist society. Despite the fact that Russia is the largest exporter of grain in the world.

Republicans elect deeply, astoundingly stupid people.

[draynay]

https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1496941034303107077

Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville, making a compelling argument against democracy, claims that Russia is invading Ukraine because...communism. Because he thinks Russia is still an agrarian communist society. Despite the fact that Russia is the largest exporter of grain in the world.

Republicans elect deeply, astoundingly stupid people.

Headfootballcoach isn't that bright? Who knew?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN/st...44220619354122

Unprovoked, Ukraine is under attack from a brutal Russian Dictator. As Americans, we pray for the people of Ukraine. The U.S. must demonstrate our strength by reclaiming our energy independence and securing our southern border.

Republicans continue plumbing the intellectual depths. The latest: We need to 'secure' the southern border because I guess they think Mexico is going to invade us or something. Or maybe Puerto Rico. They don't have a military, but I hear they have a lot of turtles.

Note the lack of any post on his broader feed condemning former president Trump for his effusive praise of Putin's invasion of Ukraine: https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN

Russian Republicans are a really weird thing.

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN/st...44220619354122



Republicans continue plumbing the intellectual depths. The latest: We need to 'secure' the southern border because I guess they think Mexico is going to invade us or something. Or maybe Puerto Rico. They don't have a military, but I hear they have a lot of turtles.

Note the lack of any post on his broader feed condemning former president Trump for his effusive praise of Putin's invasion of Ukraine: https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN

Russian Republicans are a really weird thing.

If we presuppose that republican politicians are generally going to react to things in a profoundly stupid and uninformed way, I'd at least prefer that in this situation their stupidity is at least somewhat useful, in that they come down on the side of being against Russia's actions, unlike Trump who is being profoundly stupid and supporting Putin. Perhaps they can be useful in helping Biden and the democrats draft up plans that might actually have some effect in knocking Russia down a few pegs, instead of mindlessly deciding they support Russia and being their normal stick in the mud selves opposing everything Biden and the dems do. I'd imagine "*insert conservative politician here* opposes newest round of sanctions against Russia amidst their aggression in Ukraine" would be a pretty damning sentiment for them to show publicly.

Honestly this seems like the kind of thing Trump will eventually fold on, and then claim he never supported Putin and was tougher on Putin than anyone in the history of ever. Trump's in it for himself, and the second he perceives that Putin is dragging him down he'll ditch him, just like he ditches everyone else.