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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    A lot of groomer defenders in this thread
    Oh wow I was wondering when this nonsense would find its way here, lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
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    Fuckin loser reactionaries. Now they want to make "kids shows" because Disney is "woke".

    The fuckin brainworms in these peoples heads are smarter than they are.
    The NRA tried this already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    That’s a lot of words to say nothing of value.

    Disney has massive clout in Florida. Massive. To pretend they are just an entity to make money is being incredibly dishonest.
    I mean, they -are- just an entity out to make money. It just so happens there's more money in paying lip service to progressive social issues than being an outright bigot - in the West, anyway - so they've tailored their public statements to reflect that, even if a lot of their internal politics are a lot more fucky so they can continue to market themselves in more Conservative countries. Still, it is a big deal that huge corporations are bothering to take this shift to begin with and supporting LGBT issues (even if it's just to get consumer brownie points) goes a long way to normalizing them so we can stop having these fucking debates with troglodytes about whether an entire section of the population deserves the right to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Kinda weird that you think kids and their parents should be having sex. Personally I don’t find calling people by their preferred genders to be offensive. Apparently you do. Why are you opposed to kids calling their teachers Mr., Ms., or Mrs.?
    I meant conversations regarding sex should be between the kid and their parents, not in private without the parents consent, this really isn't a hot take lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I mean, they -are- just an entity out to make money. It just so happens there's more money in paying lip service to progressive social issues than being an outright bigot - in the West, anyway - so they've tailored their public statements to reflect that, even if a lot of their internal politics are a lot more fucky so they can continue to market themselves in more Conservative countries. Still, it is a big deal that huge corporations are bothering to take this shift to begin with and supporting LGBT issues (even if it's just to get consumer brownie points) goes a long way to normalizing them so we can stop having these fucking debates with troglodytes about whether an entire section of the population deserves the right to exist.
    I picked my words specifically to avoid this complaint. The amount of power they wield as a massive amount of tourist revenue to the state makes them much more than just a company making money to Florida, and to treat it as such is dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    I meant conversations regarding sex should be between the kid and their parents, not in private without the parents consent, this really isn't a hot take lol
    Where are these conversations that you're complaining about occurring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    I meant conversations regarding sex should be between the kid and their parents, not in private without the parents consent, this really isn't a hot take lol
    Yeah, can’t give kids the knowledge that the sexual abuse they are suffering at home isn’t normal. Gross as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Yeah, can’t give kids the knowledge that the sexual abuse they are suffering at home isn’t normal. Gross as always.
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    What do you mean?
    Just pointing out how disgusting it is you don’t want teachers/counselors to be able to arm kids with the knowledge that the sexual abuse they may be experiencing at home isn’t normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Just pointing out how disgusting it is you don’t want teachers to be able to arm kids with the knowledge that the sexual abuse they may be experiencing at home isn’t normal.
    Isn't that what the bill is about? Doesn't it just not allow conversations about sex to be held in the classroom between grades K - 3?? Where's this sexual abuse at home angle coming from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    Isn't that what the bill is about? Doesn't it just not allow conversations about sex to be held in the classroom between grades K - 3?? Where's this sexual abuse at home angle coming from?
    You were the one defending it by saying only parents should talk to their kids about sex. Your words.

    Just pointing out the disgusting behavior you want to protect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    You were the one defending it by saying only parents should talk to their kids about sex. Your words.

    Just pointing out the disgusting behavior you want to protect.
    Yeah, I meant like the talk about where babies come from

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ily-wire-kids/

    Fuckin loser reactionaries. Now they want to make "kids shows" because Disney is "woke".

    The fuckin brainworms in these peoples heads are smarter than they are.
    They know they're losing the demographics war.

    Young people growing up aren't getting more conservative; quite the opposite in fact. Liberal adults aren't defecting to the conservative side. They have no population outside of the largely uneducated white male, and that demographic is doing nothing but shrinking in proportion to the overall population.

    Basically, the only way new conservatives are being created is adult conservatives teaching their children. Which is why they fight so hard to stop things like education about LGBTQ people, teaching narratives that actually show the horrors of slavery and racism and its effects on minorities, and so forth. And why they make shows like this.

    Because hating those people are effectively the only platform conservatives have, and if kids grow up not afraid of these people, the conservatives will have nothing to run on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    Yeah, I meant like the talk about where babies come from
    You sure came in swinging and now are trying to weasel your way out of the awful behavior your actions would allow to continue to happen.

    Absolutely disgusting and you should at least show a little shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    A lot of groomer defenders in this thread
    This you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    I picked my words specifically to avoid this complaint. The amount of power they wield as a massive amount of tourist revenue to the state makes them much more than just a company making money to Florida, and to treat it as such is dishonest.
    I don't even disagree with that, and I - too - find it weird that Florida is going to die on the hill of trying to piss off one of its state's largest money makers.

    I think we're on the same page, just with different thought processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I don't even disagree with that, and I - too - find it weird that Florida is going to die on the hill of trying to piss off one of its state's largest money makers.

    I think we're on the same page, just with different thought processes.
    Agreed. I just needed to hammer home that Disney in Florida isn’t just another company and can’t be treated as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    You sure came in swinging and now are trying to weasel your way out of the awful behavior your actions would allow to continue to happen.

    Absolutely disgusting and you should at least show a little shame.

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    someones shook, peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    someones shook, peace
    Someone doesn't even understand his own talking point and is running away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    someones shook, peace
    It’s tough to defend a really fucking awful take, isn’t it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulkeeperx View Post
    Isn't that what the bill is about? Doesn't it just not allow conversations about sex to be held in the classroom between grades K - 3??
    That is not, in fact, what the bill is about. It may be what some of its supporters are saying it's about, but that's not the same thing. What it actually says is this:
    Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
    Note that it doesn't mention anything about sex; it focuses entirely on sexual orientation and gender identity.

    Several amendments to this bill were proposed, based both on opposition to the first half and the fact that the second half is incredibly ambiguous. All of them were rejected by the state senate. Among these rejected amendments were:
    *An amendment that would have altered the wording on state standards requiring schools to teach the benefits of heterosexual marriage, by changing "heterosexual" to "monogamous"
    *An amendment clarifying that the language in the bill would not limit the obligation of school personnel to report suspected abuse or neglect
    *An amendment defining sexual orientation and gender identity
    *An amendment that would specifically only ban instruction about sexual orientation or gender identity that is non age-appropriate
    *An amendment allowing discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity as it pertains to family structures, historical events, and prevention of bullying
    *An amendment clarifying that students are allowed to discuss sexual orientation and gender identity with each other
    *An amendment requiring the Department of Education to create a pamphlet to help parents teach their children about sexual orientation and gender identity

    Another amendment, which I'm listing separately because it directly relates to your assumption about the bill, would have changed "sexual orientation or gender identity" to "human sexuality or sexual activity". This one was directly addressed by the original author of the bill, who said that such a change would fundamentally undermine the intent of the bill. So you see, despite what they may be saying in public, it's quite clear that they're not banning discussions of sex, but discussions of identity.
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