Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[s_bushido]

I really could not give one shit less what your country does. I cannot even articulate how much I don't care what Canada does on this front. In the United States, the nation that you so very much want to subvert for some reason that you don't quite articulate, a jury trial is a clearly defined constitutional right. American vassal states can make different choices, I don't really care.

I really enjoy how, when called out on your obvious horseshit, you resort to further garbage like this instead of actually trying to rebut any of the objective facts that are being pointed out to you. Facts like..."racist juries convict black people and acquit white people because they're racists."

But I never understood how paranoid right-wing dipshits ever thought that accusations of "subversion" like this were remotely convincing. Yes, people who want to change systems for the better pretty much have to "subvert" how those systems operate in order to make positive change. Because how those systems operate is wrong, or broken. Obviously.

[Jastall]

I really could not give one shit less what your country does. I cannot even articulate how much I don't care what Canada does on this front. In the United States, the nation that you so very much want to subvert for some reason that you don't quite articulate, a jury trial is a clearly defined constitutional right. American vassal states can make different choices, I don't really care.

I didn't, you're lying. Again. I stated plainly that all systems have flaws.

What you're referring to as a "small mob" is a core principle of the justice system of my country. That you desire to subvert that says a lot about you and nothing about it's legitimacy. You're a subversive liar and I'm never going to treat you as though you're acting with even the slightest bit of good faith.

Mere discussion of issues can only possibly be counted as subversion in an authoritarian state. Plus, "America's vassal state"? I really wouldn't throw stones from your glass houses about "mask off" moments after saying stuff like that.

[Edge-]

What you're referring to as a "small mob" is a core principle of the justice system of my country.

It's wild how defensive some people get when criticisms are levied like this. This is a democracy, we should be celebrating and encouraging this kind of critical look at our system of government in a constant effort to strive to improve it: Hence the mechanism of Amendments to alter the Constitution as a living document.

I absolutely think, especially given the long history of explicit racism with juries in US history (hence why it's now illegal to explicitly single jurists out by race), that critical discussion of "is this system of justice is actually achieving justice for all Americans? If not then how can we improve it?" is a good thing.

[unfilteredJW]

I really could not give one shit less what your country does. I cannot even articulate how much I don't care what Canada does on this front. In the United States, the nation that you so very much want to subvert for some reason that you don't quite articulate, a jury trial is a clearly defined constitutional right. American vassal states can make different choices, I don't really care.

I didn't, you're lying. Again. I stated plainly that all systems have flaws.

What you're referring to as a "small mob" is a core principle of the justice system of my country. That you desire to subvert that says a lot about you and nothing about it's legitimacy. You're a subversive liar and I'm never going to treat you as though you're acting with even the slightest bit of good faith.

Fucking hilarious.

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Mere discussion of issues can only possibly be counted as subversion in an authoritarian state. Plus, "America's vassal state"? I really wouldn't throw stones from your glass houses about "mask off" moments after saying stuff like that.

They went full Murica fucking fast.

[Gorsameth]

I sure prefer it to the alternatives. I can't say I expected that we'd shuffle the deck on what's racist today and come up with "juries need to go, they're bigoted".

The alternative being that your fate is decided by a professional who has studied and trained for the job for years, who knows how to critically examine evidence and see through bullshit?

I know if I'm innocent I prefer the professional over some random people pulled off the street every day of the week.

I find the notion that a 'jury of your peer' is more qualified then a Judge to be as silly as suggesting you pull your own teeth with a piece of string and a door.
Just because America does it doesn't make it good. America does a lot of very stupid shit.

[Glorious Leader]

The alternative being that your fate is decided by a professional who has studied and trained for the job for years, who knows how to critically examine evidence and see through bullshit?

I know if I'm innocent I prefer the professional over some random people pulled off the street every day of the week.

I find the notion that a 'jury of your peer' is more qualified then a Judge to be as silly as suggesting you pull your own teeth with a piece of string and a door.
Just because America does it doesn't make it good. America does a lot of very stupid shit.

Their is a deep strain of anti intellectualism in the United States.

As a man who currently lives in an "American Vassal state" its nice having a marginally higher standard of living. Its nice to live in a country that tracks better on virtually every single positive social measure you can think of. Its nice that this particular American vassal state has national health care and doesn't have a huge prison industrial complex.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

They went full Murica fucking fast.

You NEVER go full murica

[Breccia]

"Government ethics experts say they are stunned after the US State Department said records are missing of the gifts Donald Trump received while he was president."

Those fucking liars. This surprised nobody.

[Gorsameth]

I more wonder what the punishment is for failing to register gifts. I assume its disappointingly nothing

[zorkuus]

I more wonder what the punishment is for failing to register gifts. I assume its disappointingly nothing

I doubt there are punishments for anything anymore. Republican politicians might aswell just blatantly admit criminal activity and get away with it.

[Breccia]

I doubt there are punishments for anything anymore. Republican politicians might aswell just blatantly admit criminal activity and get away with it.

You're probably right.

But I'm guessing there are legal written-down results in actual law books. Biden doesn't have to be biased to apply them -- even if they're rarely applied. He could be especially vindictive and slap them down during a rally or debate. Perhaps that's a reason Trump doesn't want to run again. Biden has the DoJ loaded and ready to fire. Trump might decide the risk of humiliation's not worth it. Or, he could call Biden's bluff, fuck around, and find out.

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Trump has until April 19 to invent a reason he's not in contempt of NY's request for documents. If he fails, or if his excuse is just that bad, that $10,000 a day fine kicks in.

I realize $10,000 a day isn't much to someone as rich as Trump claims to be, but there's a followup. What if Trump doesn't pay? Well, if you don't pay your traffic tickets, you could lose your license. NYState could revoke Trump Org's right to do business.

"Isn't Trump Org losing money? Wouldn't shutting them down help?"

No. Trump Org has to pay fixed values regardless, such as salaries (I guess he could fire everyone, I'm sure firing employees while under investigation will go exactly as expected), leases, insurance and loans. Losing the ability to gain income would be a severe problem.

"Surely he'll pay, then."

Yes, but even contempt only lasts so long before it becomes obstruction. Trump paying the fines would be an admission of guilt.

There is a third option. Trump can, and I expect will, make a partial turnover, in the ongoing effort to stall this out. I can't imagine NY isn't prepared for that. Refusing to comply is going to get his doors kicked down.

[Ripster42]

Biden doesn't have to be biased to apply them -- even if they're rarely applied.

Just gonna say, selective application of law is definitely biased, but that's not what's happening here. They're only rarely applied because they're rarely violated. The last time a stink was raised about it, after clinton left office, they ended up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and returning some things.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2055869.html

Bitcoin millionaire Bruce Fenton

Oh this is gonna be good!

who joined the New Hampshire Republican primary four days ago, told WMUR that "there's so many parallels right now between Ukraine and the Taliban."

"Remember, as Zelensky is a hero now, Osama bin Laden was once considered a hero," he said.

Well, he'll fit right in with the Republican party, then. I guess it's no surprise where shady crypto-grifters fall on the political spectrum. Anything else interesting?

He claimed that articles were talking about "leading his army on a road to peace" and that the James Bond film The Living Daylights was based on him. All of his claims are inaccurate.

Wait...about him?!

It appears the article he is referencing was published by The Independent in 1993 under the headline "Anti-Sovier warrior puts his army on the road to peace," but the "road to peace" element was actually tongue in cheek. The content of the article highlights bin Laden's naked attempts to cover up his warmongering by cloaking it in a civic engineering project in Sudan.

Well alright that's the first one, but what about the James Bond thing?!

As for the James Bond film, the story pits Bond against the Soviets in Afghanistan, but the mujahideen fighters in the movie appear to be based on the real life mujahideen fighters that the US supported and not specifically bin Laden.

Huh, another conservative who has trouble distinguishing between cinematic fiction (or written fiction) and reality.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...er-aide-2022-4

In his interview with the Times, Kupperman said it was clear this — and manufacturing dirt on the Biden family — was the extent of his interest in Ukraine.

"If one were to ask him to define 'balance of power,' he wouldn't know what that concept was," Kupperman said. "He'd have no idea about the history of Ukraine and why it's in the front pages today. He wouldn't know that Stalin starved that country. Those are the contextual points one has to take into account in the making of foreign policy. But he wasn't capable of it, because he had no understanding of history: how these countries and their leadership evolved, what makes these countries tick."

Former Deputy National Security Advisor Charles Kupperman on Trump's knowledge of Ukraine in 2019.

Now this isn't surprising: Trump's hole presidency was a display of his lack of understanding of the world or anything that wasn't directly related to him and his interests. Which for Ukraine, only extended as far as them helping his campaign and "finding dirt" on Hunter Biden.

Just another reminder of the caliber of person that Mitch McConnell is happy to support should he be the nominee, and the kind of intelligence that the Republican party voters view as a "very stable genius".

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https://twitter.com/patriottakes/sta...79666275667968

Marjorie Taylor Greene said joining the military right now “is like throwing your life away.”

Why do Republicans hate our military?

[Poopymonster]

Why do Republicans hate our military?

Of course she says that as tensions with Russia heat up. She only has eyes for the Red Cyclone!

[Zan15]

Just gonna put this here, keeping family and all that.

Gee, Wonder Why Mohammed Bin Salman Personally Intervened to Give Jared Kushner $2 Billion

Not even going to bother pasting any text, tbh. Suffice to say, with how it came about, what you can imagine he helped them with while daddy-in-law was president... scum.

but but the laptop!!! look over here, look over here!!

[Edge-]

https://www.kpvi.com/news/national_n...2db30890e.html

Republicans are holding a trial for Fauci. I'm not kidding. It's a mock trial, but it'll be livestreamed and everything. How can you watch, you ask?!

For $25 a "juror" can watch the proceedings from 7 to 9 p.m. Region time Monday through Friday and participate in all polling and voting.

A juror who wants to chat online with other jurors must pay $50. For $100, a juror gets a T-shirt and can join post-hearing video calls with the prosecution team. Paying $250 gives a juror access to behind-the-scenes video and a hat.

Hill also is offering more personalized experiences for people willing to cough up four or five figures to become a "VIP juror," with a portion of the proceeds going to anti-vaccine groups and unspecified other "pro-freedom organizations."

For $2,500, a VIP juror can spend one night with a guest live in the Nashville, Tennessee, studio where the webcast is produced, along with participating in the nightly post-hearing wrap-up reception with prosecutors and witnesses — "plus some cool America's Grand Jury swag."

A VIP juror who forks over $5,000 can spend three nights in the studio with two guests. For $10,000, a person can buy in-person studio access for up to eight people on all five nights of the webcast.

Justice and politics being viewed as entertainment and purely pay-for-play for the Republican party is on full display here. This is the behavior of a failed political party without an ideology, that's purely reactionary in nature and focused primarily on the financial grift in their interests instead of serving the public.

[pathora44]

https://www.kpvi.com/news/national_n...2db30890e.html

Republicans are holding a trial for Fauci. I'm not kidding. It's a mock trial, but it'll be livestreamed and everything. How can you watch, you ask?!



Justice and politics being viewed as entertainment and purely pay-for-play for the Republican party is on full display here. This is the behavior of a failed political party without an ideology, that's purely reactionary in nature and focused primarily on the financial grift in their interests instead of serving the public.

GOD DAMN everything the Republican party does now is a grift. The heads of the party are raking in the money while the body of the party is gladly paying them money for whatever snake oil they are pushing. $25 just to watch, $50 just to chat with other people and $2,500 just to go hang out in their studio for a day. I also love that it says a "portion" is going to groups and that anyone who looked into the "portion" would find that .000001% is still by strict definition a "portion" of the proceeds.

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Me ever voting for the Republican party has been the greatest regret of my life since at least 2015. Like I look back at when I was a happy little Republican voter and am just ashamed of it.

[Gorsameth]

https://www.kpvi.com/news/national_n...2db30890e.html

Republicans are holding a trial for Fauci. I'm not kidding. It's a mock trial, but it'll be livestreamed and everything. How can you watch, you ask?!



Justice and politics being viewed as entertainment and purely pay-for-play for the Republican party is on full display here. This is the behavior of a failed political party without an ideology, that's purely reactionary in nature and focused primarily on the financial grift in their interests instead of serving the public.

This is a libel lawsuit waiting to happen no?

[Edge-]

This is a libel lawsuit waiting to happen no?

Doubtful. It's performative and would likely be covered by the First Amendment.

[Poopymonster]

Doubtful. It's performative and would likely be covered by the First Amendment.

Do it anyway. "So you're saying that everything you said, about the vaccines not working, being poison, microchipping people, EVERYTHING you said about Dr Fauci is untrue? But done in a performative/parody way, but none of it was true?"

Get the fuckers under oath saying none of their dog and pony show was true about vaccines. Case dismissed, but they're fucked with their constituents.