Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

You're misreading that.

Well, there are two options, barring a confounding variable.

One, that only 2% of people changed their mind from Kemp to Purdue after being told Trump picked Purdue.

Two, that knowledge of Trump's endorsement is so high that most Republicans already knew....and are still voting for Kemp anyhow.

Neither result is flattering. Maybe our resident Trump supporters (not you) can pick?

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/11/flo...cting-desantis

A Florida judge on Wednesday struck down a portion of a redistricting map drawn by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' (R) and his staff.

Driving the news: "I am finding that the enacted map is unconstitutional under the Fair District amendment ... because it diminishes African Americans' ability to elect the representatives of their choice," Leon County Circuit Judge Layne Smith said.

Smith is expected to issue a formal order on Thursday or Friday to ensure that the maps are not in effect during November's election, AP reports.

Womp womp. Oh look, another Republican map about to be slapped down by the courts for being just a little bit explicitly racist.

[Ripster42]

Two, that knowledge of Trump's endorsement is so high that most Republicans already knew....and are still voting for Kemp anyhow.

You're still misreading what the guy was saying if you're making statements like this. He's saying trump's endorsement is only significant in races where the people don't know who the candidates are. That's not the case here, as participants in the poll already knew who the candidates are.

The only conclusion you can reach is that only ~2% of the electorate, who were going to vote kemp, trust trump's endorsement more than their own judgement.

[PhaelixWW]

You're still misreading what the guy was saying if you're making statements like this. He's saying trump's endorsement is only significant in races where the people don't know who the candidates are. That's not the case here, as participants in the poll already knew who the candidates are.

The only conclusion you can reach is that only ~2% of the electorate, who were going to vote kemp, trust trump's endorsement more than their own judgement.

It really means 2% to 39.2%, since we have no idea if that 37.2% overlap would have changed their vote if they found out that Trump had endorsed someone other than whom they picked with their own judgment.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...90ca303b069aba

“If you wanted to kill a bunch of MAGA voters in the middle of the heartland, how better than to target them and their kids with this deadly fentanyl? … It does look intentional. It’s like Joe Biden wants to punish the people who didn’t vote for him and opening up the floodgates to the border is one way to do it.”

JD Vance, onetime liberal hero for helping them "understand" Appalachia, is promoting another batshit crazy, baseless conspiracy theory.

Just a reminder that Republicans live in a world of pure imagination. And their imaginations fuckin suck.

[Breccia]

The only conclusion you can reach is that only ~2% of the electorate, who were going to vote kemp, trust trump's endorsement more than their own judgement.

Well, first of all, that's really not that far off from what I said at first.

Secondly, as I just said and @PhaelixWW would probably agree, there's a mix of people who
a) didn't know who Kemp/Purdue were and/or didn't know Trump endorsed Purdue, and
b) those who did

Considering how similar the results were, it either means
a) like you suggested, almost everyone already knew and made up their minds, or
b) whether they had or had not made up their minds didn't matter

Trump is either not trusted, or he is irrelevant. I'll let the Trump supporters decide. There is no result from that poll which is flattering for Trump.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...90ca303b069aba



JD Vance, onetime liberal hero for helping them "understand" Appalachia, is promoting another batshit crazy, baseless conspiracy theory.

Just a reminder that Republicans live in a world of pure imagination. And their imaginations fuckin suck.

And apropos of nothing - https://archive.ph/7MuWF#selection-2559.0-2559.100

According to the White House, Customs and Border Protection has been seizing more than 800 pounds of fentanyl along the U.S.-Mexico border per month — double what it was stopping in 2020 as the Trump administration ended, and four times as much as it blocked in 2019.

Oh look, the feds, under Biden, are stopping two to four times as much fentanyl from entering the US through ports of entry from Mexico, compared to Trump.

Lying liars gonna lie lyingly.

[PhaelixWW]

Trump is either not trusted, or he is irrelevant. I'll let the Trump supporters decide. There is no result from that poll which is flattering for Trump.

The more salient point is that 61% of Republicans didn't automatically confirm Trump's pick, and 46% actually picked a different candidate over Trump's pick.

Since we don't know about the overlap (and ignoring the fact that these are different groups of people, and so a 2% difference could just entirely be in the margin of error), the results show 2% vote-switchers vs. 46% endorsement-ignorers.

I mean, here's the thing: even if every single person who said that they supported Perdue in the control group because they would support whomever Trump picked (and because they were such lemmings that they already knew that Trump supported him), then that still is a loss for Trump at 39% to 46%.

Yeah, that's not a good look for Trump, especially in a state that the GoP desperately wants to bring back into the fold.

[Breccia]

JD Vance

What did Vance say when the 2020 overdose death records was announced? Trump was in charge then. Did he blame the open border?

(checks)

Nothing, it seems. The 2020 overdose deaths recorded in Oct 2021 did not draw a response from JD Vance between June and December 2021. Or if he did respond, it didn't make a ripple at all.

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Yeah, that's not a good look for Trump, especially in a state that the GoP desperately wants to bring back into the fold.

I mean....do they, tho? Do they really? As I cited before, not even Trump thinks Trump is winning in Georgia.

[PhaelixWW]

I mean....do they, tho? Do they really? As I cited before, not even Trump thinks Trump is winning in Georgia.

And you don't think they're desperate to change that?

[Breccia]

And you don't think they're desperate to change that?

I think they're desperate to change that to "Trump is no longer a factor", honestly.

Oh, and big surprise, Trump has already responded to the GOP support of Kemp by calling everyone who did RINOs who hate election security.

EDIT: Shit! I misread that first post of yours. I thought you said "a state that the GoP desperately wants to bring HIM back into the fold." My bad.

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A judge today gave Trump a NY ultimatum:

a) pay the $110,000 fine for not turning over subpoena'd documents, or
b) the contempt charges go forward

Now the assumption is Trump will pay, but still not turn over the documents. The judge also required Trump's on-crack legal team explain why not. "We looked and didn't find anything" doesn't sound like something a high-ranking judge would take at face value.

[Edge-]

We probably need a thread just for his shit, but...


Guardian link.

What about the victims of capitalism? You know, like slaves? Who still exist? Can we have a mandatory course on Nestle to highlight the victims of capitalism, too? I mean, it's only fair given that lessons are apparently supposed to show "both sides" of issues.

[Breccia]

We probably need a thread just for his shit

You can see at a college campus students flying the hammer and sickle from the old Soviet Union flag

-- DeSantis

You can? Name one. Pics or it didn't happen.

[Edge-]

-- DeSantis

You can? Name one. Pics or it didn't happen.

Also...why is this a problem? That seems like free speech, to me. Same as college students with the confederate flag, which is arguably worse given that they were traitors to the country.

[Fugus]

A judge today gave Trump a NY ultimatum:

a) pay the $110,000 fine for not turning over subpoena'd documents, or
b) the contempt charges go forward

Now the assumption is Trump will pay, but still not turn over the documents. The judge also required Trump's on-crack legal team explain why not. "We looked and didn't find anything" doesn't sound like something a high-ranking judge would take at face value.

Until they are willing to actually start locking him up as well as his family, they aren’t doing much other than bluster.

If I was a lying broke ass who has gotten away with stuff that far and even now is getting away spending other peoples money, why would I comply?

I would just sit back and litigate it till I die of old age. I am not losing anything anyways. Not losing my own money, not losing my freedom and can continue to live in luxury till my dying day, as for those cases, I will be dead before they are done so not my problem.

If I comply, then I go to jail and I know it while potentially giving them access to my own money in the process.

So my best option is to keep riding it out and letting others pay my bills for me.

Until they actually start putting some real teeth behind this, there is no reason for it to be taken seriously.

If they wanted to go with the fines route, they needed to have that fine added double exponentially each day to the point he couldn’t just ignore it with other peoples money.

At 10k starting, it should have been at 80k by the forth day.

[Breccia]

why would I comply?

I legitimately, honestly hope that dozens, hundreds, thousands of lawyers cite the Trump case as prescedent. For exactly that reason.

Also, I'm hoping that NYState is working with another judge for a no-knock. Because if Team Trump isn't going to willingly comply and isn't going to unwillingly comply, it's time for those special document searchers @cubby has told us about to show up with 20 SWAT members. And the press.

[Fugus]

I legitimately, honestly hope that dozens, hundreds, thousands of lawyers cite the Trump case as prescedent. For exactly that reason.

Also, I'm hoping that NYState is working with another judge for a no-knock. Because if Team Trump isn't going to willingly comply and isn't going to unwillingly comply, it's time for those special document searchers @cubby has told us about to show up with 20 SWAT members. And the press.

I agree, the biggest problem will be we know DeSantis would make sure to give them a heads up should SWAT ever get close to Trump's resort and will then proudly brag about it to get the votes of his supporters.

I do hope to see them push this issue, but if they do, they will have to make sure to keep DeSantis and the majority of the current GOP out of the loop because they have already proven they will play mole for him like they did on the Mueller Investigation.

[Paranoid Android]

NEW: Trump was an even bigger conspiracy freak than we knew.


Yup. One of the most bizarre meetings we ever had with Trump was in preparation for a hurricane landing. He was far less concerned with saving American lives and more concerned with his burning question: “Do they always spin counterclockwise?” It got weirder after that.

As the hurricane barreled toward the Carolinas he saw a guy in a MAGA hat on TV say he was going to ride it out. Trump liked that. He wanted to tell people to “ride it out.”Only a staffer warning that his voters might die (and were needed in 2020) convinced him to urge evacuation

"The then-president had a pressing question for his aides: Does China have a secret weapon to create man-made hurricanes and then launch them at the U.S.? And if so, would this constitute an act of war, and could the U.S. retaliate militarily?"

Our next President folks!

So crazy I'm really doubting the story from Rollin Stones, but holy crap!

[Edge-]

NEW: Trump was an even bigger conspiracy freak than we knew.


Yup. One of the most bizarre meetings we ever had with Trump was in preparation for a hurricane landing. He was far less concerned with saving American lives and more concerned with his burning question: “Do they always spin counterclockwise?” It got weirder after that.



"The then-president had a pressing question for his aides: Does China have a secret weapon to create man-made hurricanes and then launch them at the U.S.? And if so, would this constitute an act of war, and could the U.S. retaliate militarily?"

Our next President folks!

So crazy I'm really doubting the story from Rollin Stones, but holy crap!

This is the same guy that reportedly inquired about nuking hurricanes to stop them from growing/reaching the US. So this is absolutely believable.

[Paranoid Android]

VA budget is $270 billion last year and they added $31 billion to this year. Oh btw this dumb shit is on the Veteran's Committee.

This guy is so dumb. I get if he is trying to do the we spend X amount funding a military and don't spend domestically, but he can't even do that. I shouldn't give him this much credit.

Oh and this...

A couple of weeks ago you voted against a bill expanding health care for veterans exposed to burn pits and other toxins.. Plus 12 other Veteran's Bill's.