Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Rasulis]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander?

Conservatives fume over tech industry’s ‘shadow docket’ play

Progressives outraged over the use of the Supreme Court’s emergency “shadow docket” to resolve legal fights over issues like abortion and immigration got some company this week from an unexpected group — conservative skeptics of the tech industry.

The tech platforms’ foes on the right are fuming about a crush of pro-Silicon Valley lawyering that has hit the high court in the past seven days, as the industry's allies urge Justice Samuel Alito to block a Texas law that forbids social media companies from “censoring” their users. Legal briefs from groups supporting the industry have outnumbered pro-Texas briefs by 4 to 1, leaving Republicans to complain that tech is again using its wealth and muscle to overwhelm its critics.

The Texas law (HB 20) would have a titanic impact on social media worldwide, limiting the ability of platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube to remove content that they consider harmful, extremist or otherwise objectionable. Two tech industry groups filed an emergency petition with the court May 13 seeking to head that off, setting the stage for a decision that could come as soon as Friday.

The tech industry will “pay the best lawyers in D.C. to have a pile of amicus briefs” in front of the justices, said Rachel Bovard, senior director of policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute, who supports the Texas law. “Meanwhile, the rest of us are scrambling.”

The shadow docket petition in the tech case came from tech lobbying groups NetChoice and the Computer and Communications Industry Association, which among other arguments said the Texas law could bring a flood of frivolous lawsuits against social media companies.

“It’s kind of frankly ridiculous to me that NetChoice is using the shadow docket,” said Bovard, adding that it was originally meant for execution stays and other life-and-death issues. “It's just egregious to me. It's so arrogant that they would put this in front of SCOTUS right now.”

Adam Candeub, a law professor who held senior posts in former President Donald Trump’s Commerce and Justice departments, also questioned the pro-tech side’s use of the shadow docket.

“The whole idea that there's this huge need for immediate action, that there's this great irreparable injury that will be created, is kind of crazy,” said Candeub, who had played a key role in Trump’s efforts to punish social media companies accused of censoring conservatives.

NetChoice and CCIA filed their emergency Supreme Court decision just two days later, followed by eight friend-of-the-court briefs from a broad collection of lawyers and advocacy groups. Supporters of the tech position spanned the political spectrum, including the Texas branch of the NAACP and the libertarian Cato Institute.

In contrast, right-wing populists who back the Texas law struggled to rally the troops ahead of the court’s Wednesday filing deadline. Texas got support from only two amicus briefs, in addition to a brief filed by state Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Given the short turnaround time required by the shadow docket, Bovard said she’d struggled to find lawyers who can weigh in on Texas’ side. One reason, she said, was the tech industry’s aggressive hiring of lawyers in recent years.

“Anyone who has a [Supreme Court] bar at a law firm is conflicted out by the fact that Google’s bought out every law firm,” said Bovard, who framed the conflict as one between tech industry goliaths and a “small, straggly band” of tech-skeptical conservatives.

Not sure how the second most populous state in the US joined by a dozen other states would be considered "small, straggly band."

The Supreme Court bar part was news to me. I thought any licensed lawyers can argue a case in the Supreme Court.

Bar admission is essential for attorneys practicing before the court. “For nearly all purposes, the rules of the Court require that every party (unless appearing pro se) be represented by at least one member in good standing of the Supreme Court Bar,” according to a leading Supreme Court treatise, Stephen M. Shapiro et al., “Supreme Court Practice” §20.1 (10th ed. 2013).

I wonder how many Supreme Court bar members have conflict of interests because they represented one of the giant tech companies in the past.

[gondrin]

Well, this can belong in either this thread or the RvW thread. So here goes.

Trump is afraid that suburban women will punish him(doesn't he pay for that anyway) for bringing in judges to overturn RvW.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...e38422513aa404

Trump is telling close allies that 'suburban women' could punish him for the overturning of Roe v Wade, hurting his 2024 reelection chances, report says

Former President Donald Trump is telling his close allies that the potential overturning of Roe v Wade could cost him politically, hurting his chances of winning reelection should he run again in 2024, according to Rolling Stone.

Citing sources familiar with the matter, Rolling Stone reported that Trump has been telling allies that the issue of abortion could turn "suburban women" against him.

"Suburban women have been a recurring concern for [former] President Trump, including during the 2020 campaign, when his smarter advisers were sounding the alarm to him about how he was losing suburbs," a source said, per Rolling Stone.

"He is … worried women in the suburbs could punish him for this one day, [too]," the source continued.

Since a draft opinion to overturn Roe v Wade was leaked, Trump has been uncharacteristically quiet about it. He has not referenced it on Truth Social and has only once alluded to it once during a rally, Rolling Stone reported. Two sources told the media outlet that the silence is "intentional and calculated."

Trump has reportedly been telling allies that suburban women don't like hearing about the issue as they are typically more pro-choice than the mainstream of the Republican Party, according to Rolling Stone.

He has told several associates that his enemies could "use it against him" in 2024 if he went too hard now on pushing for the overturning of Roe v Wade, the media outlet said.

"'Suburban women — some who voted for me — they don't like it when we talk about it," Trump reportedly said at a small gathering this month, a source told Rolling Stone.

Trump once described himself as pro-choice. Speaking to NBC in 1999, he declared: "I'm very pro-choice."

His position changed by the time he became president. In 2016, he promised to select judges for the Supreme Court who would "automatically" overturn Roe v Wade. Three of his appointees — Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, and Neil Gorsuch — have reportedly agreed to the draft opinion.

Trump's post-presidency office did not respond to Insider's request for comment on Saturday morning.

[DarkTZeratul]

Well, this can belong in either this thread or the RvW thread. So here goes.

Trump is afraid that suburban women will punish him(doesn't he pay for that anyway) for bringing in judges to overturn RvW.

Yeah, turns out when you're a populist shill who vocally supports whatever you think will get people to vote for you, that leads to policies you really disagree with actually being implemented. Who knew?

[postman1782]

Apparently the group that went after him is now vowing to go after Boebert. Can’t wait for that tea.

Well, they have plenty to work with. I mean, the dumbass failed her GED test twice before passing, only 8 months before she was elected congressman, she was on that website where they find political people, forgot what the name of it is, but they found Cawthorn, Bimboebert, Candace Owens and a bunch of others, she poisoned hundreds of people with food poisoning with her restaurant, her husband is a registered sex offender, flashed himself to 17 year old girls, one of which was Boebert, oh, and they have weapons in their house with a convicted felon, she took pictures with those weapons, and then she is directly implicated in the January 6th insurrection directing people to where Pelosi was. She knew it was coming because she was shouting "patriot" terrorist slogans on Twitter.

[Dontrike]

DJTJ is still trying to prove how manly he is by shooting large animals. This time it was a bear and the guide is facing 5 years in prison for baiting.



It’s weird how many fraudsters the Trumps surround themselves with.

You'd think as the man that paid to have that done and did it (Jr) would also face prison time.

[Glorious Leader]

DJTJ is still trying to prove how manly he is by shooting large animals. This time it was a bear and the guide is facing 5 years in prison for baiting.



It’s weird how many fraudsters the Trumps surround themselves with.

wtf is a legitimate wild west hunt? its 2022 unless you're talking about west world ...

[fwc577]

Apparently the group that went after him is now vowing to go after Boebert. Can’t wait for that tea.

I wouldn't mind a sex tape getting dropped. Do we know if Boebert hasn't tried to rub her snatch in one of her cousins faces as a joke?

[DarkTZeratul]

You'd think as the man that paid to have that done and did it (Jr) would also face prison time.

It appears that he's not being charged because he was (supposedly) led to believe that it was a legal hunt.

[Spectral]

It appears that he's not being charged because he was (supposedly) led to believe that it was a legal hunt.

Yeah, it turns out if you're the victim of fraud, you're not typically prosecuted as an accessory to the crime.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...70594173829120

Alex Jones is mad more guys don’t have penises in excess of 12”. So first he blames the water for turning him gay, now he blames soda for a lack of 18”+ cocks. Sadge.

How much time is Alex Jones devoting to documenting the history of size the penis over the past 60 years?

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...70594173829120

Alex Jones is mad more guys don’t have penises in excess of 12”. So first he blames the water for turning him gay, now he blames soda for a lack of 18”+ cocks. Sadge.

You know, were those things true, that'd be the kind of thing that government regulations would be required to enforce. Just like with any business' actions that include harmful external costs that they don't care enough to address.

But I'm going to guess that's not the kind of thing Jones is pushing for. Instead I'm going to guess that he's saying there's some weird liberal feminist conspiracy behind it all instead, no?



Also, I don't drink soda, and my business still isn't 12" long. What gives, Jones?

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Yeah, it turns out if you're the victim of fraud, you're not typically prosecuted as an accessory to the crime.

Man the Trump family sure does have a track record of hiring people who are criminal fraudsters without bothering to check up on them.

At what point does it pivot from being pure incompetence to intentional apathy? And those are really the only two options, here.

[Poopymonster]

You know, were those things true, that'd be the kind of thing that government regulations would be required to enforce. Just like with any business' actions that include harmful external costs that they don't care enough to address.

But I'm going to guess that's not the kind of thing Jones is pushing for. Instead I'm going to guess that he's saying there's some weird liberal feminist conspiracy behind it all instead, no?



Also, I don't drink soda, and my business still isn't 12" long. What gives, Jones?

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Man the Trump family sure does have a track record of hiring people who are criminal fraudsters without bothering to check up on them.

At what point does it pivot from being pure incompetence to intentional apathy? And those are really the only two options, here.

You can counteract soda schlong shrinkage with BONER FORCE, POWER PENIS, and new to the Infowars store...DELUXE DICK DAUB!

[Spectral]

Man the Trump family sure does have a track record of hiring people who are criminal fraudsters without bothering to check up on them.

At what point does it pivot from being pure incompetence to intentional apathy? And those are really the only two options, here.

This really just looks like victim blaming at the moment. The official statements all make it seem like Donny Jr. got defrauded. Do you have something that looks like that's not the case?

[Edge-]

This really just looks like victim blaming at the moment. The official statements all make it seem like Donny Jr. got defrauded. Do you have something that looks like that's not the case?

Yeah man, the family regularly engaged in shady shit that constantly pretends they know nothing about is super totes trustworthy just at their word. Totes man, not like they have a long, long, long history of extensive and fairly brazen dishonesty.

Imagine literally anyone believing anything any one of the Trump's says at this point.

[Kaleredar]

This really just looks like victim blaming at the moment. The official statements all make it seem like Donny Jr. got defrauded. Do you have something that looks like that's not the case?

My sympathies... and my assumed amount of "good, trusting intentions" behind people who want to hunt animals for funzies to act like macho men is not very high.

Even doubly so given the Trump family's aforementioned bad track record of employing criminals.

I suppose this is better than those situations in that this is just some guy taking him hunting, rather than putting a rank, corrupt criminal in a place of public power.

[Breccia]

The official statements all make it seem like Donny Jr. got defrauded.

And it would be easy for Don Jr. to go in public and say "I was duped, outsmarted, and swindled". You'll let us know when that happens?

[Paranoid Android]

I really, really want to double up and post this in the "Elon Buys Twitter" thread.

MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: Former US President Donald Trump Takes Most Seditious Step Ever Taken By a US President, Appearing to Predict and/or Advocate a Second Civil War; Nation Waits for Condemnation From the RNC, NRCC, NRSC, House/Senate Minority Leaders or Anyone in GOP Leadership

If you choose to click link it shows Trump sharing the tweet.

This is sadly typical Trump almost a yawn from us. Yet, if Elon would think this is free speech for a person who is lead of one of the only political parties, unfortunately was President and tweeted sedation on Jan 6th. Oh and tried to de-legitimize an election for almost 3 months and beyond.

Just incredible watching our democracy let this person, who I stated above, has this much influence fan the flames.

[Ripster42]

Yeah, turns out when you're a populist shill who vocally supports whatever you think will get people to vote for you, that leads to policies you really disagree with actually being implemented. Who knew?

Watch out, @Fairelaine will infract you for this.

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https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...70594173829120

Alex Jones is mad more guys don’t have penises in excess of 12”. So first he blames the water for turning him gay, now he blames soda for a lack of 18”+ cocks. Sadge.

There are a bunch of estrogen analogs that get seeped into ground water from industrial pollution, . This nonsense reminds me of trump's BS. It's like if a normal person heard something 10 years ago, didn't understand it, and then tried to give a lecture on it. He's just so stupid that it sounds like things senile people with tinfoil hats say.

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You know, were those things true, that'd be the kind of thing that government regulations would be required to enforce. Just like with any business' actions that include harmful external costs that they don't care enough to address.

Or who knows, maybe it's 4-d chess, and he's actually smart, but realizes that if HE says it, no one will take even similar true things seriously, which leads to no new regs on it. Na, he's just stupid.

[DarkTZeratul]

Watch out, @Fairelaine will infract you for this.

This was entirely a dig at Trump banging the anti-abortion drum purely and transparently to get votes. I could not give less of a shit about your feud with a certain other poster about a certain other election.

[Fugus]

This was entirely a dig at Trump banging the anti-abortion drum purely and transparently to get votes. I could not give less of a shit about your feud with a certain other poster about a certain other election.

It’s fine, you can name me, I am cool with it. Even I told him what he/we were doing and it needed to be dropped and stopped after the mod asked us to.