Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Shadowferal]

If you are being serious and not sarcastic, why Jeb and not Kasich?

Pardon my response, but Bush is a step back to a name that shines better in hindsight.
I mean I might not have liked GWB as a person, but I think I could talk to him, even though I despised him as a president.

[fwc577]

Maybe.

But the people suing and/or prosecuting him likely know this. I have every faith that my employer, NYState, is vindictive enough to announce forced asset siezures and raids during Trump's 2024 announcement.

I also disagree with @fwc577 in that, yes Trump is that insane, but also, he has a long habit of running from failures he sees on the horizon. He won't run if he knows he'll lose -- he'll perch on his golden throne in Florida and get Rep and Senator hopefuls to come kiss the ring. Someone with that many years playing cosplay mafia boss won't see being the Grand Poo as being a loss or a failure.

"Don't you mean Grand Poobah?"

Not in this case, no.

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If you are being serious and not sarcastic, why Jeb and not Kasich?

I will amend my statement as such and say that: Trump will 100% run in 2024 if Republicans can take back the House and Senate in 2022.

At that point, there won't look like there is a chance for losing on the horizon for the next Republican presidential nominee.

[Tentim]

Maybe.

But the people suing and/or prosecuting him likely know this. I have every faith that my employer, NYState, is vindictive enough to announce forced asset siezures and raids during Trump's 2024 announcement.

I also disagree with @fwc577 in that, yes Trump is that insane, but also, he has a long habit of running from failures he sees on the horizon. He won't run if he knows he'll lose -- he'll perch on his golden throne in Florida and get Rep and Senator hopefuls to come kiss the ring. Someone with that many years playing cosplay mafia boss won't see being the Grand Poo as being a loss or a failure.

"Don't you mean Grand Poobah?"

Not in this case, no.

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If you are being serious and not sarcastic, why Jeb and not Kasich?

I think it's the wholesomeness of his character. What other politician goes about knocking on drive through windows for votes or handing out little turtle toys to children?

Hilary I can honestly believe eats children at this point and has been to epstien land. So has Trump and I'm going to be honest.Kasich comes off as a news anchor and I think he actually was one. Call me biased but if I'm being serious and not comical I would rather tv actors and new casters not run for presidential or political office. They swing the stupid vote to easily.

[postman1782]

I think it's the wholesomeness of his character. What other politician goes about knocking on drive through windows for votes or handing out little turtle toys to children?

Hilary I can honestly believe eats children at this point and has been to epstien land. So has Trump and I'm going to be honest.Kasich comes off as a news anchor and I think he actually was one. Call me biased but if I'm being serious and not comical I would rather tv actors and new casters not run for presidential or political office. They swing the stupid vote to easily.

How much crack did you smoke to post this bullshit?

[Tentim]

How much crack did you smoke to post this bullshit?

What parts of it?

The Clinton's went to epstien island so did trump both are clearly monsters. As for rest you need to be specific.

[postman1782]

What parts of it?

The Clinton's went to epstien island so did trump both are clearly monsters. As for rest you need to be specific.

Prove it. Because even Ghislaine Maxwell said that didn't happen.

[Edge-]

Hilary I can honestly believe eats children at this point and has been to epstien land.

A very reasonable take, I see.

Kasich comes off as a news anchor and I think he actually was one. Call me biased but if I'm being serious and not comical I would rather tv actors and new casters not run for presidential or political office. They swing the stupid vote to easily.

I mean, you're just gonna be here proudly bragging about how you don't pay any attention to politics but still have strong opinions based off of your ignorance.

Kasich used to be the governor of Ohio. Him coming off "as a news anchor" is simply him being a politician and not a reality TV show host.

[gondrin]

A very reasonable take, I see.



I mean, you're just gonna be here proudly bragging about how you don't pay any attention to politics but still have strong opinions based off of your ignorance.

Kasich used to be the governor of Ohio. Him coming off "as a news anchor" is simply him being a politician and not a reality TV show host.

Hell, if that is his metric, he shouldn't vote for Trump as Trump comes off as a bad car salesman, or as he was, a bad gameshow host.

[Breccia]

I've been posting a lot of "liberal" articles, by which I mean "everything except FOX News, OAN, Breitbart, and my Alabamer relatives' Twitter feed". Let's check up on them.

ESPN hates America on July 4th

...huh. Doesn't seem like I'm missing all that much. Well, back to the "liberal" media. Or, as most of us call it, "objective reality".

1) Hey, remember when I posted

1) One of the aforementioned GOP members that thinks Trump can't/shouldn't run is Arkansas Gov. Hutchinson (no relation?)

Emphasis new. Well, I was in a hurry to get that out and hadn't bothered to look. Probably should have -- literally every article, video, or post on the topic has already spelled it out.

*ahem*

Except this one.

How did the Great State of Arkansas ever have a total RINO Stiff like Asa Hutchinson as their Governor. Any relationship to Lyin' Cassidy Hutchinson, another real loser?

Yeah, apparently Trump takes the same care in informing his followers as I used on an anonymous gaming site.

In fact...

(checks last 8,675,309 posts)

Yeah, I "basically always" cite more sources and post more information than Trump. Nobody relies on me as their sole source of information. All six users of CyberTrump 2077 do.

I'm a nameless asshole. What's his lame-ass limp-dick IMPOTUS excuse?

The above was part of a multi-post unhinged harangue that included such lines as

Impeachment Hoax #1, Impeachment Hoax # 2, the 'No Collusion' Mueller Report and, overall, the GREATEST WITCH HUNT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA

He also wants the Doj/Jan 6th panel to "press charges instead against those that cheated on the Election." Don't worry, Trump. They'll get to you eventually.

Did I mention he did all of this instead of just wishing the country a happy birthday, then getting a $130,000 whore?

Incidentally, legal experts are starting to say that the act of filing charges may be more important than any verdict.

Jill Wine-Banks, a Watergate prosecutor, said charging Donald Trump with rebellion or insurrection would prevent him from holding political office again.

During an MSNBC appearance on Friday, Wine-Banks was asked whether she thought Trump would at least be indicted for obstruction of justice. She suggested that one of the "best" crimes to indict the former president of would be rebellion or insurrection, an offense under Title 18 of the US Code, Section 2383.

"I think it would be horrible not to act on what is now blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched the hearings," Wine-Banks said.

We've discussed that, but this is someone who knows what they're talking about agreeing.

2) Speaking of liars, remember how 83 seconds ago I said I was done checking FOX News? That's mostly true. I largely don't have to, because every single FOX News member that breaks from Trump draws headlines from other sources.

Fox News’ Howard Kurtz assessed that former President Donald Trump’s offensive against Cassidy Hutchinson is proof her testimony resonated among conservatives.

Here’s how we know her testimony broke through: Donald Trump is calling her a “wacko,” a leaker, and a liar. Secondly, some conservative commentators who have been dismissing the whole committee as a clown show, attacking her credibility and defending former president. But there’s a split on the right. Mick Mulvaney, Trump’s guy, former acting White House chief of staff, saying he believes Hutchinson.

Wanna see the video?

I've lost count as to how many FOX News hosts have done this, partially because I'm a tauren and only have two fingers on each hand, but also because the number keeps increasing. And this runs parallel to conservatives (can't say "Republicans" anymore) and the trend continues. Hell, we've seen it on these very forums. Accounts created last month, claiming they never liked Trump but also claiming Hilary Clinton eats human flesh. Yeah. Shitty disguise, you're not fooling anyone.

3) Of course, some people are more informed about Trump than others. For example, Michael D'Antonio, Trump biographer. You know all the posters here who say Republicans project their insecurities and traits on others? Well, they have a professional expert who agrees. Strongly.

"He always says that people are crazy," the biographer explained. "People are seeking to raise their profile. People are just making up stories. Well, who does that remind you of? Who does it remind you of when he says someone is making up stories or trying to raise their profile or even being a little bit crazy. It reminds us of one former president."

Those who know Trump have been asked about what they've witnessed from the ex-president's behavior and if what Hutchinson is describing is accurate.

"It sounds like the person that he imagined himself to be," said D'Antonio about Trump's behavior. "So this is a fellow who told me he's the hero in his own comic book, that he loves to fight all kinds of fights, even physical fights. The record doesn't show he's really done that."

"It wasn't God who gave me this face, it was you...setting the timer for four years instead of eight."

4) Speaking of professional experts, Chris Whipple is a WH historian and author and you already know where this is going.

The author Chris Whipple, who has interviewed dozens of White House chiefs of staff, said that Cassidy Hutchinson's shocking testimony before the House January 6 committee has made it abundantly clear that Mark Meadows is by far the "worst" White House chief of staff in history.

In the wake of Hutchinson's damning testimony about her former boss' inaction around the Capitol riot, Whipple argued that not even Richard Nixon's Watergate cronies compare.

"It used to be a fairly stiff competition for the worst chief of staff in history, but Meadows absolutely owns it," Whipple told Insider in a Thursday interview about Trump's fourth chief of staff.

Meadows' muted response to the violence will become the lasting image of his legacy, Whipple said.

"I used to think the defining lasting image of Mark Meadows would be mugging for Don Trump Jr.'s video camera in the tent at the Ellipse right before Trump went out to incite a mob to attack the Capitol," Whipple said. "I now think the defining image of Meadows is the guy sitting on the couch in the White House chief's office scrolling through his phone while a violent mob attacks Capitol Police that day."

5) But it gets worse, because of course it does. Let's talk about The Mooch, someone Trump intentionally hired.

Anthony Scaramucci, a longtime associate who served briefly in the White House before breaking with Mr. Trump, has talked in the past about Mr. Trump’s power to interpret reality in whatever way suited him. But Mr. Scaramucci said he had concluded that Mr. Trump understood perfectly well that the election was not stolen and that his actions on Jan. 6 to overturn it were illegitimate.

“I do believe that President Trump knows that the whole thing that he is doing is a ruse,” said Mr. Scaramucci. “On more than one occasion throughout the campaign” in 2016, “he would turn to me and others and say funny things like, ‘Why can’t people realize what you guys realize about me, that I am playacting and full of it at least 50 percent of the time?’ That sort of joking. So he knows that this is all a lie.”

Emphasis mooch. Mine! Emphasis mine.

6) Still not good enough? Bill Stepien was Trump's 2020 campaign manager.

A memorable phrase from Trump 2020 campaign manager Bill Stepien best summed up the schisms that were developing in the then-president’s orbit.

“I didn’t mind being characterized as being part of ‘Team Normal’, as reporters kinda started to do around that point in time,” Stepien said in a video deposition.

Stepien said he hoped that he had earned “a good reputation for being honest and professional” over many years in Republican political consultancy.

“I didn’t think what was happening was necessarily honest or professional at that point in time,” he added.

Yeah yeah. Another person claiming to be the only sane member of Team Trump. Throw another log on that fire, you can see the flames from space.


Rep. Kinzinger [R-ILL-Communications] holds all the evidence that Trump is innocent.

But it's not all about Trump (unless you are Trump). Who else is having a shitty week?

7) Let's recall the Arizona election trumpgedy. Guess who got subpoena'd?

The FBI has issued subpoenas to Arizona Senate President Karen Fann and state Sen. Kelly Townsend, compelling them to release records believed related to former President Donald Trump's effort to stay in power after losing the 2020 election.

Looks like Karen's going to speak with the manager after all.

Fann's not speaking to the press, why would she, she's the subject of a likely criminal investigation, when that happens you shut the fuck up. Well, unless you're Trump apparently, but if you're smart you do. Doesn't matter. She spoke to the public plenty at the time and didn't get a pardon.

The DoJ is also going after people who tried to create Alternative Electors. It's possible Fann did that, too. We'll find out. We know she was in full contact with Rudy Giuliani, which he said "felt like being shot".

8) FOX News faces large lawsuits for their part as well.

"That sounds familiar. Is this a new story?"

I assume so? It was posted yesterday.

Unfortunately for Fox News, One America News Network (OAN) and Newsmax, it turns out that this brave new world was not free from legal jurisdiction – with the three networks now facing billion-dollar lawsuits as a result of their baseless accusations.

In June, Dominion Voting Systems, which provided voting machines to 28 states, was given the go-ahead to sue Fox Corp, the parent company of Fox News, in a case that could draw Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan into the spotlight.

In the $1.6bn lawsuit, Dominion accuses Fox Corp, and the Murdochs specifically, of allowing Fox News to amplify false claims that the voting company had rigged the election for Joe Biden.

Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a legal expert, thinks Dominion has a good case. “What’s particularly bad for Fox is [that] Dominion asked them to stop and correct the record in real time, and Fox persisted in spreading misrepresentations about the voting machine company,” she said.

We know that the hearings are ongoing as more people are coming forward. The one thing that deflates and neuters a bully more than anything else, is when people figure out they outnumber him. On a daily basis, Trump loses another ally, another court case, another lifeline.

[Adam Jensen]

Personally I hope Jeb Bush runs again. He tried to save us but we rejected him.

Because what America needs now is another Bush in office . . .

[Xyonai]

Because what America needs now is another Bush in office . . .

Third time's a charm?

[Tentim]

Because what America needs now is another Bush in office . . .

I can't think of anyone more moderate then Jeb. Could help mend some fences.

[uuuhname]

lmao the wettest sock of a candidate to ever walk the earth. "please clap"

[Endus]

I can't think of anyone more moderate then Jeb. Could help mend some fences.

The far-right Christian nationalist is a "moderate" to you?

You can't be fucking serious.

[Breccia]

You can't be fucking serious.

This is who you're asking if they're serious: a one-month old account with

Hilary I can honestly believe eats children at this point

How you proceed from there is your decision.

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While Trump stumbles, TheHill opines on GOP members that might run for President...with the obvious implication being "Trump probably can't".

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) has dismissed the House hearings for “beating this dead horse,” he hasn’t gone out of his way to defend Trump. DeSantis now appears to be Trump’s most serious competition in 2024, beating him head-to-head in New Hampshire in a recent poll.

A Senate Republican aide also identified Sens. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), Tim Scott (R-S.C.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) as possible candidates for the White House in 2024, especially if Trump continues to fade politically.

Cruz has been the most aggressive in positioning himself for another run for president, traveling around the nation to campaign for conservative candidates in GOP primaries, and sometimes taking on Trump-backed candidates directly.

Tim Scott, who represents a key early Republican primary state, in May traveled to Iowa to attend a state Republican Party in Cedar Rapids, fueling speculation that he’s laying the groundwork for his own 2024 run.

Scott has also forged a relationship with Oracle founder Larry Ellison, who has poured at least $15 million into a super PAC allied with the South Carolina Republican.

Rick Scott has stirred speculation about his own White House ambitions with trips to New Hampshire though he insists he is running for reelection to the Senate in 2024 and has no plans to run for president.

Yet the Florida senator is acting a lot like a presidential candidate, releasing his own 11-point “Rescue America” plan to the chagrin of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who did not sign off on the plan. Several Senate Republicans have complained that Scott’s ambitions could cloud Senate Republican messaging since he is also chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

By their own choosing, the Party of Trump (formerly known as Republican Party) has put themselves in the bad position of waiting till Trump drops out of the race before running. Well, most of them, at least. Until Trump formally announces he's not running, I don't think any of those above names are brave enough to make a move until 2024 itself.

The same article, and a few others I tripped over, have all said Pence is basically done. He already knows no classic Republican trusts him, he knows the rabid fanbase is still ready to murder him, and he can't run on his own. Last anyone's heard, he's basically hiding in his bunker-like house making the occasional statement like "Biden is still a Democrat", seeing his shadow, and hiding for six more weeks.

[Adam Jensen]

Liz Cheney vs Ron Desantis. Liz fails spectacularly at the primaries, Ron takes it and defeats Biden and I move the fuck to Mars because fuck this entire planet, gonna hang out with Matt Damon.

[Jastall]

Liz Cheney vs Ron Desantis. Liz fails spectacularly at the primaries, Ron takes it and defeats Biden and I move the fuck to Mars because fuck this entire planet, gonna hang out with Matt Damon.

I just hope Biden doesn't seek a second term personally. He's not popular enough and besides he's just too old. America needs a symbolic kick in the ass in more ways than one and it's not the perpetually centrist nearly 90 years old (by the time his second term would end) candidate that will give it such a thing. Him deciding to not run again would force the Democrats to also get off their butts and find someone else.

[Ivanstone]

Kasich comes off as a news anchor and I think he actually was one. Call me biased but if I'm being serious and not comical I would rather tv actors and new casters not run for presidential or political office. They swing the stupid vote to easily.

Kasich was a Fox News host from 2001-2007. He was an Ohio politician from 1979-2000 and tried running for POTUS in 2000. He first got elected at age 26. Pretty much like Madison Cawthorn except he had staff and proposed legislation instead of stunting on TV.

These things are verifiable and you can look them up on this thing we call the “Internet”. It’s a series of tubes that can give you information about politics when not being used for pornography.

[PhaelixWW]

Liz Cheney vs Ron Desantis. Liz fails spectacularly at the primaries, Ron takes it and defeats Biden and I move the fuck to Mars because fuck this entire planet, gonna hang out with Matt Damon.

Spoiler: Matt Damon came back to Earth.

Kasich was a Fox News host from 2001-2007. He was an Ohio politician from 1979-2000 and tried running for POTUS in 2000. He first got elected at age 26. Pretty much like Madison Cawthorn except he had staff and proposed legislation instead of stunting on TV.

So... nothing like Madison Cawthorn.

[Nurasu]

I just hope Biden doesn't seek a second term personally. He's not popular enough and besides he's just too old. America needs a symbolic kick in the ass in more ways than one and it's not the perpetually centrist nearly 90 years old (by the time his second term would end) candidate that will give it such a thing. Him deciding to not run again would force the Democrats to also get off their butts and find someone else.

He's waffled on it several times already, but I think if Dems lose the midterms he might not. He doesn't have the will to manage a majority, let alone a minority government.