Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Trump says McConnell 'got played like a fiddle' while sitting on the sofa at home.

[Redwyrm]

Trump doesn't realize it but McConnell was the true power during Trump's four years squatting in the White House.

[Santti]

Trump Said He Wanted Generals to Be Loyal to Him Like Nazis Were to Hitler

Sadly, this is not new or surprising.

[Breccia]

Trump Said He Wanted Generals to Be Loyal to Him Like Nazis Were to Hitler

Since I am out of Rolling Stone free articles, I will instead cite the NYTimes.

Trump told his top White House aide that he wished he had generals like the ones who had reported to Adolf Hitler, saying they were “totally loyal” to the leader of the Nazi regime, according to a forthcoming book about the 45th president.

“Why can’t you be like the German generals?” Mr. Trump told John Kelly, his chief of staff, preceding the question with an obscenity, according to an excerpt from “The Divider: Trump in the White House,” by Peter Baker and Susan Glasser, published online by The New Yorker on Monday morning. (Mr. Baker is the chief White House correspondent for The New York Times; Ms. Glasser is a staff writer for The New Yorker.)

The excerpt depicts Mr. Trump as deeply frustrated by his top military officials, whom he saw as insufficiently loyal or obedient to him. In the conversation with Mr. Kelly, which took place years before the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, the authors write, the chief of staff told Mr. Trump that Germany’s generals had “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.”

Mr. Trump was dismissive, according to the excerpt, apparently unaware of the World War II history that Mr. Kelly, a retired four-star general, knew all too well.

“‘No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,’ the president replied,” according to the book’s authors. “In his version of history, the generals of the Third Reich had been completely subservient to Hitler; this was the model he wanted for his military. Kelly told Trump that there were no such American generals, but the president was determined to test the proposition.”

So @Santti it's worse than that.

"Sounds like Milley should have had second thoughts a little earler."

He did.

General Milley’s frustration with the president peaked on June 1, 2020, when Black Lives Matter protesters filled Lafayette Square, near the White House. Mr. Trump demanded to send in the military to clear the protesters, but General Milley and other top aides refused. In response, Mr. Trump shouted, “You are all losers!” according to the excerpt. “Turning to Milley, Trump said, ‘Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?’” the authors write.

After the square was cleared by the National Guard and police, General Milley briefly joined the president and other aides in walking through the empty park so Mr. Trump could be photographed in front of a church on the other side. The authors said General Milley later considered his decision to join the president to be a “misjudgment that would haunt him forever, a ‘road-to-Damascus moment,’ as he would later put it.”

Of course it was a road to Damascus. He was following a Damas.

[gondrin]

Trump Said He Wanted Generals to Be Loyal to Him Like Nazis Were to Hitler

Of all the thing that he has done, that he should be straight punched in the mouth at, is this:

The excerpt from The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021 featured several other reminders of Trump’s abhorrence, including that he demanded no injured veterans participate in a memorial parade. “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade,” Trump told Kelly. “This doesn’t look good for me.”

“Those are the heroes,” Kelly responded. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are — and they are buried over in Arlington.”

“I don’t want them,” Trump reiterated. “It doesn’t look good for me.”

I mean, everyone knew he wanted to be like Hitler, he pined for other dictators, he wanted absolute loyalty. However, this honestly shows how absolutely disgusting he is.

[Masark]

Trump Said He Wanted Generals to Be Loyal to Him Like Nazis Were to Hitler

What trump needs is a general like Stauffenberg.

[Muzjhath]

Since I am out of Rolling Stone free articles, I will instead cite the NYTimes.



So @Santti it's worse than that.

"Sounds like Milley should have had second thoughts a little earler."

He did.



Of course it was a road to Damascus. He was following a Damas.

The fact that all of these people are just publishing books about it instead of say. Invoking the 25th?

Fucking disgraceful

[Canpinter]

Why the fuck do these fucking fuckheads only tell this shit years after to sell a book. If he gave two craps about his country he would have walked down the hall to the press room and announced his immediate resignation.

[Breccia]

Why the fuck do these fucking fuckheads only tell this shit years after to sell a book.

Because they wanted the power, as long as they could keep it. Once it was clear Trump was had lost, it was a free-for-all.

I mean, everyone saw this coming. Except Trump. Trump's a narcisist and a sociopath, he doesn't understand anyone's motivations for things that are not Trump. But everyone in the GOP did. And so did everyone here. Some just chose not to admit it.

[Edge-]

The fact that all of these people are just publishing books about it instead of say. Invoking the 25th?

Fucking disgraceful

Worth noting: The authors were not part of the administration. So even if they received these stories from folks while the administration was still in power, they couldn't really do anything about it to begin with.

It's more a damning indictment on the long line of "reasonable" people like John Kelly who were supposed to be the "adult in the room" and a moderating influence, and may have actually been one (though given the end of Kelly's tenure in that position...probably not), watched as unfathomable stupidity and corruption risked our national security on a daily basis.

In other news, more evidence that the Trump administratration was actually the "DEEP STATE" and violated the Presidential Records Act while doing everything to cover their tracks and limit any documents/records of anything they'd said/done - almost as if they knew records would get them in trouble - https://www.axios.com/2022/08/08/tru...aggie-haberman



One of these images is a White House toilet, where residence staff reportedly somewhat regularly found torn up paper clogging toilets, the one on the left. The one on the right reportedly comes from a toilet used to attempt to destroy documents during an overseas trip.

Still wondering why nobody has gone to jail and why this doesn't seem to be actively investigated, much like Trump taking records to him to his golf course illegally. And much like another member of the administration, whose name I forget right now (trade guy? I don't think it was Ross though) similarly apparently illegally retained emails that should have been turned over upon his departure.

Just a reminder: The Trump administration is the very definition of the "DEEP STATE", he brought the swamp with him to Washington, turning the office of the presidency into something difficult to differentiate from an organized crime boss.

[Milchshake]

Basically the biggest lesson the US Flag Staff learned from Vietnam was; how to get a more friendly press.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-data-russians

Paul Manafort, who served as chairman of the Trump campaign in 2016, gave polling data to a Russian businessman believed to have ties to the Kremlin, he conceded in an interview.

Manafort admitted to handing over campaign polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, according to an interview with Business Insider. Kilimnik is believed to have later relayed "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" related to the Trump campaign over to Russian spies, the Treasury Department said.

"The data that I shared with him was a combination of public information and stuff for the spring that was. It was old," Manafort told the outlet.

Manafort instructed Rick Gates, a campaign official, to print out several pages of campaign data about then-candidate Donald Trump's polling strength in 18 competitive states, an email reviewed by special counsel Robert Mueller's inquiry revealed. The data were accumulated by the Trump campaign in mid-July, shortly before Manafort met with Kilimnik.

Manafort rejected assertions that the printout was turned over to Kilimnik and contended that he had ordered Gates to send Kilimnik campaign data via email. The former campaign official insisted his divulging of campaign data was intended to help him obtain future business deals.

"It was meant to show how Clinton was vulnerable," he told the outlet.

Still, his recent remarks seemingly contradict his prior comments on the data. During the Mueller investigation, Manafort denied that he was involved with the disclosure of sensitive campaign data and claimed in his memoir Political Prisoners that he only gave Kilimnik talking points on polling data, the outlet reported

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-van...ryan-sponsored

In some stunning weirdness...JD Vance actually likes the CHIPS bill? This might be the first time he's actually said something that's reasonable and matters for his potential voters, who may very well be the beneficiaries of the funds this bill brings.

“J.D. remains opposed to woke capital and would have preferred a clean bill that didn’t contain Democrats’ woke activism, but J.D. believes the benefits CHIPS will deliver to Ohio far outweigh its flaws,” Schroeder said in a statement. He argued that the bill “creates a much needed opportunity to bring critical manufacturing back home to Ohio” and reduces the country’s dependence on “Communist China.”

Now of course we've got the "woke" bullshit, but this is, in the modern times, and incredibly reasonable and surprisingly bi-partisan position to take. It has nuance, that something can contain some things they don't like but still ultimately be good.

I hope his campaign continues to crash and burn, mind you, but this is just a weird moment of reasonability in unreasonable times, from a largely unreasonable person.

Worth noting -

It also happens that Vance’s opponent, Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH), is a lead sponsor of the legislation in the House—and has made the bill a centerpiece of his campaign, which has had a strongly populist, anti-China bent from the get-go.

Vance has to admit that the guy who he's challenging is responsible for this largely positive bill. Get owned.

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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...elections.html

For the second time this year, and the seventh time recently, the Ohio Supreme Court has tosses out the proposed Republican redistricting map for being illegally partisan in favor of Republicans.

This doesn't impact this years election, but is for 2024. Weird that Republicans keep trying to submit illegally gerrymandered maps? Why do they keep breaking the law?

[Gorsameth]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-van...ryan-sponsored

In some stunning weirdness...JD Vance actually likes the CHIPS bill? This might be the first time he's actually said something that's reasonable and matters for his potential voters, who may very well be the beneficiaries of the funds this bill brings.



Now of course we've got the "woke" bullshit, but this is, in the modern times, and incredibly reasonable and surprisingly bi-partisan position to take. It has nuance, that something can contain some things they don't like but still ultimately be good.

I hope his campaign continues to crash and burn, mind you, but this is just a weird moment of reasonability in unreasonable times, from a largely unreasonable person.

Worth noting -



Vance has to admit that the guy who he's challenging is responsible for this largely positive bill. Get owned.

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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...elections.html

For the second time this year, and the seventh time recently, the Ohio Supreme Court has tosses out the proposed Republican redistricting map for being illegally partisan in favor of Republicans.

This doesn't impact this years election, but is for 2024. Weird that Republicans keep trying to submit illegally gerrymandered maps? Why do they keep breaking the law?

Can you just appoint an impartial outsider to draw those districts already.... sigh

[Edge-]

Can you just appoint an impartial outsider to draw those districts already.... sigh

You mean a (((globalist)))?

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-data-russians



LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

So idk anymore. This is what we knew and was part of the Mueller Report. Yet, it looks like the Republicans really don't care that foreign countries besides money, are fine with foreign countries helping on elections. No this did not go as far as sabotaging election machines, but they knew the data to send false information to voters to suppress or change votes. Once more with the slim margin of 2016, this is significant.

Now I read and posted a couple, few weeks ago that the Mueller Report time has run out(?). Not sure on this. I don't know how or what they can do with this new revelation and maybe why Manafort admitted it now.

The toilet story is classic and I swear we read this back in the day also. The story of Trump would just casually tear up document he read and I think in the story they talked about the toilet flush. But, hey criminals know that you never leave paper trails, but Trump would never do this cause he of course has not criminal mind, like a mobster would.

[Poopymonster]

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...elections.html

For the second time this year, and the seventh time recently, the Ohio Supreme Court has tosses out the proposed Republican redistricting map for being illegally partisan in favor of Republicans.

This doesn't impact this years election, but is for 2024. Weird that Republicans keep trying to submit illegally gerrymandered maps? Why do they keep breaking the law?

Keep throwing shit at the wall and something might stick. Next is submit them late enough that when the judge says "No you fuckwit, election is in 2 months, not enough time for you jackoffs to try again, you'll have to use the previously racist ones."

[jonnysensible]

fbi in the bigmans house, wonder if its to do with planning a fascist coup

[Edge-]

fbi in the bigmans house, wonder if its to do with planning a fascist coup

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/08/don...ome-raided-fbi

Just saying though...MIND THE FUCKING SOURCE. The source is Trump, and he's arguably the least trustworthy source for a story like this.

Now if this did happen, we just have to wonder which investigation this is related to. My money is on the Presidential Records Act and him taking a bunch of actually classified and top secret materials with him out of DC and to his golf course.

[Breccia]

Just saying though...MIND THE FUCKING SOURCE. The source is Trump, and he's arguably the least trustworthy source for a story like this.

And Trump would 100% lie to continue that paradox of his: he's the best bestiest best at everything, yet somehow a trod-upon underdog.

That said, it's peculiar he'd lie about this in particular. Yes, it furthers that image, but...complaining about his big beautiful house under siege? Remember Jan 6th, fucko? Seems odd he'd complain about the peaceful tour groups.

EDIT: At this time, "everyone" is reporting the raid...in the terms "Trump says". It was under an hour ago and the DoJ does not comment on ongoing investigations.

Hey @cubby or anyone else, if you claim you were raided by the FBI and weren't, is that illegal?