Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Oh, wait, there's more.

Trump said federal agents reviewed a "secured area" at his Mar-a-Lago home in early June, about two months before the FBI searched his Florida residence on Monday.

In a Wednesday afternoon post on Truth Social, Trump said agents with the Department of Justice and the FBI had during their June visit "asked my legal representatives to put an extra lock on the door leading to the place where boxes were stored in Mar-a-Lago," a request to which Trump said his team agreed.

The agents saw the "secured area" as well as "the boxes themselves" at that time, according to Trump.

"Then on Monday, without notification or warning, an army of agents broke into Mar-a-Lago, went to the same storage area, and ripped open the lock that they had asked to be installed," Trump said.

His post continued by describing the raid as a "surprise attack, POLITICS, and all the while our Country is going to HELL!"

Okay I legit don't know what to make of this. He's usually lying, but this story seems more like "he got the details wrong" than "work of original fiction". Read as it is, it sure sounds like Trump says the FBI knew where the illegal stuff was...so...why didn't they just take it then?

Also, isn't this accounting and the "planted evidence" pretty contradictory?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Remember those days when when his goose-stepping fans said, "we're only against the illegal immigrants." Which was and always is a lie.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...vin-Williamson

"Defund the federal police" and "Defund the FBI" has been a chanting point for the supposedly pro Law and Order party now.

To the GQP: Law and Order is occurring. Don't be mad just because your guy broke the law.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1557186611992993793

Dismantle the FBI.
Abolish the IRS.
Any “Republican” not onboard in 2022 is out.

Ah yes, the party of "law and order"!

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...76674911346688

Once you realize this is a hot war between the embedded elements of big government and conservatives who threaten their existence, you can understand the tactical and psychological significance of the FBI notoriously seizing the House Freedom Caucus chairman’s cell phone.

Hot war? Who's shooting? And this is a PsyOp?

However, back to his old tweet where he thinks the FBI directly works for POTUS - https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...71483708891136

Bless your heart @BarbaraComstock. We are so fortunate to have a branch of government that isn’t influenced by elections. Praise be the deep state!

He was corrected on this, with Barbara Comstock pointing out that the FBI works for the American people. His response was to take the independence of the FBI under a president who isn't pressuring them as the "DEEP STATE", because he doesn't understand that the FBI working for the American people and not the current POTUS is both a good thing and a feature, not a bug.

Massie is really working overtime to prove he, not Boebert or Greene or anyone, is the dumbest member of Congress.

[Beefhammer]

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1557186611992993793



Ah yes, the party of "law and order"!

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...76674911346688



Hot war? Who's shooting? And this is a PsyOp?

However, back to his old tweet where he thinks the FBI directly works for POTUS - https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...71483708891136



He was corrected on this, with Barbara Comstock pointing out that the FBI works for the American people. His response was to take the independence of the FBI under a president who isn't pressuring them as the "DEEP STATE", because he doesn't understand that the FBI working for the American people and not the current POTUS is both a good thing and a feature, not a bug.

Massie is really working overtime to prove he, not Boebert or Greene or anyone, is the dumbest member of Congress.

Any conservative trying to claim they are the party of law and order needs to answer how is it lawful for the president to take highly classified documents out of the Capitol after he and the GOP made a law making it illegal?

[Breccia]

Oh, wait, there's even more. And it's Eric!

Eric Trump said that the security cameras at Mar-a-Lago caught FBI agents behaving improperly during Monday's raid, alleging that investigators were accessing parts of Trump's Florida residence that they "shouldn't have been."

In an interview with DailyMail.com, Eric Trump said that because staff refused to turn off the surveillance cameras at the request of the FBI, the Mar-a-Lago cameras captured agents raiding areas that they weren't authorized to.

"There's 30 agents there," he recalled on Wednesday. "They told our lawyer...'You have to leave the property right now. Turn off all security cameras.'"

Time out. Um...if the FBI asked you to turn off cameras...and you didn't...did Eric just volunteer that he broke the law? I'm pretty sure, if the FBI shows up and says "turn the cameras off" and you refuse, that's bad.

Or, he's lying. This article on the subject might be Philly-specific, but it seems to indicate you're allowed to video the police searching your home. You know, to prevent exactly the kind of problem Trump claims he has. Oh, don't worry, we'll circle back to that at the end of the post.

Eric Trump said that the FBI refused to give Trump's lawyer, Christina Bobb, a copy of the search warrant but "showed it to her from about 10 feet away," DailyMail.com reported. He also said he would be "thrilled" to find out if there was a valid reason for the search.

"Let me guess, he's lying about that, too?"

Yes. That same lawyer said she read the warrant yesterday. Also, thiss sure seems like projection. The FBI did not raid Trump's house like a bunch of amateurs. There is no way they wandered around lost, had an invalid warrant, didn't show the warrant, or didn't explain what they were looking for. That might be how Eric runs a business, but it's not what happened here. See previous article about how even the local police kept their mouths shut. Eric is making shit up he thinks people will believe, only to be retroactively corrected by Trump's lawyer. Eric is a fucking dumbass.

More on that: he's a fucking stupid dumbass.

More on the raid: so Trump's laywer says the could not see the underlying documentation, makes sense, it's about classified info. Most people shouldn't see that. Perhaps that's what fucking dumbass Eric meant to say? I will also point out the blatant irony of Team Trump not seeing "The affidavit, the supporting documentation of what the probable cause was to obtain the warrant" and considering that to be a problem, when they have already told the public they won't show the public part of the warrant. Which they have. It was not waved at them from 10 feet away. You can't do that with a search warrant, maybe in the movies, but not in real life.

The FBI and others from the Federal Government would not let anyone, including my lawyers, be anywhere near the areas that were rummaged and otherwise looked at during the raid on Mar-a-Lago

-- Trump

I mean, Trump is an unreliable source of information, and I'm pretty sure we covered this. I'm not yet calling Trump's lawyer at the scene incompetent. I'm sure they were following the legal directions of law enforcement. If they said, for example, "step back, we don't want a suspect destroying or concealing evidence" she either would have said "that's illegal, so no I won't" or "okay, that's within the rule of law". I'm not calling Trump's on-the-scene lawyer incompetent yet, I don't know much about her or her history. But I doubt the FBI even tried lying to her about her needing to leave.

And finally, if you look back over the last 24-48 hours, you'll note that Trump has suggested that the FBI was planting evidence. Eric's narrative, despite being blatantly false, ties into that. Why on Earth would Trump need to make that suggestion?

Is it because evidence of his crimes was there, and he knows it?

Because I am looking into Option B and saying "Trump knows they found the stuff he didn't return when he was required to do so". I think Trump knows the FBI has proof of his guilt. I think he's trying to suggest the evidence was planted, because otherwise, he's caught tiny red handed.

If Trump has actual proof the FBI planted evidence -- Eric says they do -- then by all means, crooked cops are a poison on this world. If he has a video of some FBI people looking at a room in his house, by all means, show us the warrant (oh, right, the cops leave you a copy, Trump has it) that shows what rooms they were allowed to search, and prove the FBI were in the wrong rooms. I don't think he will, though.

I think he's caught.

I think he knows it.

And if I'm right, he should be panicking.

[Nurasu]

Oh, wait, there's more.



Okay I legit don't know what to make of this. He's usually lying, but this story seems more like "he got the details wrong" than "work of original fiction". Read as it is, it sure sounds like Trump says the FBI knew where the illegal stuff was...so...why didn't they just take it then?

Also, isn't this accounting and the "planted evidence" pretty contradictory?

Sounds like they moved to at least protect the documents until they were able to get through the channels of actually securing them themselves.

[Breccia]

Sounds like they moved to at least protect the documents until they were able to get through the channels of actually securing them themselves.

I'm not sure the FBI has any real reason to do that. Does any police officer? If Trump loses the info, that's another 10 years for another different crime.

I guess they could at the time have been more worried about classified info getting out. But it's more realistic that Trump was just lying.

[Edge-]

Oh, wait, there's even more. And it's Eric!



Time out. Um...if the FBI asked you to turn off cameras...and you didn't...did Eric just volunteer that he broke the law? I'm pretty sure, if the FBI shows up and says "turn the cameras off" and you refuse, that's bad.

Didn't Trump's lawyer (one of them) say that she was present for the entirety of the search?

[Cthulhu 2020]

This one gave me a really good chuckle. They just want to defund everything now, its amazing.

This is an actual tweet from MtG:

My preferred pronouns are:
Impeach/Biden
Purge/DOJ
Defund/FBI
Fire/Fauci
Abolish/ATF
Close/The/Border
Only/Two/Genders
Put/Prayer/Back/In/School
No/Men/In/Women’s/Anything
Ban/Drag/Queen/Story-time
Stop/Gender/Affirming/Care/On/Kids
Bring/Back/American/Energy
America/First

We have a "purge," "defund," and an "abolish" when it comes to people that could show up at her door.

Please don't make the mistake I did and scroll through her feed. Holy conspiracy collector, Batman!

So... no men in women's abortion rights? Sounds good. The rest I can do without though.

[Breccia]

Didn't Trump's lawyer (one of them) say that she was present for the entirety of the search?

Funny you should say that. Yes, she was there, but she is claiming that they didn't let her watch.

If she's telling the truth, then it's completely legal that the cops can kick you out when they're searching your place. Meaning, Team Trump has no right to complain.

If she's lying, then it's her fault for not watching...or she did watch, and nothing bad happened, but she knows her client is guilty.

Oh, she's an OAN hostess.

[Edge-]

Funny you should say that. Yes, she was there, but she is claiming that they didn't let her watch.

If she's telling the truth, then it's completely legal that the cops can kick you out when they're searching your place. Meaning, Team Trump has no right to complain.

If she's lying, then it's her fault for not watching...or she did watch, and nothing bad happened, but she knows her client is guilty.

Oh, she's an OAN hostess.

Bobb suggested some of what was recovered on Monday could be 'classified' but quickly added it would have 'no significant meaning'

Huh. So in addition to prepping the, "IT WAS PLANTED!" narratives, they're doubling down with the, "Yeah they found illegal stuff, but it doesn't matter."

This is an interesting multi-pronged approach.

[Breccia]

And of course there's more.

In a letter sent to FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday, Rubio said he expects "an explanation as to why I, and to the best of my knowledge every other leader of the congressional intelligence committees, first learned of this raid on President Trump's residence via the media."

I mean, not even Biden was told. FBI director Wray doesn't report to Ruibo.

But if I had to hazard a guess, the answer would be "you would have warned him". Rubio is not a member of law enforcement. His authority, and role, in this is zero.

[Edge-]

And of course there's more.



I mean, not even Biden was told. FBI director Wray doesn't report to Ruibo.

But if I had to hazard a guess, the answer would be "you would have warned him". Rubio is not a member of law enforcement. His authority, and role, in this is zero.

I mean...because they didn't want any Republicans leaking it to Trump? Which, based on the reactions from Republicans so far, seems like an extremely justified concern.

Then again to your point, nobody was told. Stop crying victim when you were treated like literally everyone else.

[Breccia]

Huh. So in addition to prepping the, "IT WAS PLANTED!" narratives, they're doubling down with the, "Yeah they found illegal stuff, but it doesn't matter".

That's not what I'm trying to say, but it does fit what Trump is trying to say. Trump has been claiming that he didn't have anything improper, true, but that's not how the law works, and his legal team knows this. The FBI don't get 30 people out of bed and heavily armed for something that doesn't matter. If the FBI found anything, it's not something that can be handwaved.

I think they're suggesting evidence was planted, so when it's shown that the FBI found evidence, they can still pretend to be innocent. They're not double-dipping, they're just guilty.

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Stop crying victim when you were treated like literally everyone else.

Rubio had access to the same news articles that everyone else had. The fact that Trump admitted he took things and was in negotiations to return them (maybe) was hardly a secret. We knew about it. Why didn't you tell Trump to return the stolen documents, Rubio? Where was your concern then?

And again, I took a quick look and failed to find anything Rubio said about Trump threatening Clinton during the debates. His concerns are fraudulent. Anyone else is free to look around, maybe they can find his publicly-voiced concerns with the President having his political opponent investigated. Post it if you find it, but I'm not holding my breath.

[postman1782]

banana republic political hitjob that wont work. next step they will prob assassinate him and call it a suicide. then you all will rejoice and try to rationalize it.

Let's see, it was Trump's FBI director that allowed the FBI agents to carry out the warrant, it was a Trump appointed judge that signed off on the warrant, and it was a Trump insider that turned informant that told them EXACTLY where to go, including the fucking safe that they broke into.

Get this qtard level of bullshit out of here. There is no hitjob. If it was a fucking hitjob, they wouldn't have found 12 more boxes of fucking classified information that he wasn't legally allowed to have.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...orce?_amp=true

Even before Congress and President Joe Biden give the final OK for the IRS to hire 87,000 more agents in an $80 billion package, the tax agency is revealing a priority job category that could get first dibs on the huge budget expansion.

On its jobs page is a listing of vacancies for special agents to be placed around the country to root out financial fraud.

But these are opening for more than just financial experts: They will also be armed.

Among the job requirements listed: “Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force, if necessary.”

Special agents, who can be placed around the nation and world, have an interesting job, according to the IRS description. They are financial analysts and armed officers ready for a shootout.

Suddenly, people with guns are a serious threat to Republicans! Why do they hate the Second Amendment so much?

[zorkuus]

banana republic political hitjob that wont work. next step they will prob assassinate him and call it a suicide. then you all will rejoice and try to rationalize it.

What a sad life you must have.

[Edge-]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...rreal-forreal/

Because, again, Republicans don't understand humor, we have Utah Senator Mike Lee, who runs his own non-parody account of himself
@ BasedMikeLee

The haters can’t handle this frickin’ smoke


This account is no cap — bussin, forreal forreal


This is beyond omega level cringe and it's sad to see how pathetic the people Republicans elect to office continue to be. As the article points out, it has this kinda energy -

[gondrin]

He will. I wouldn't want to be law enforcement at that rally, though. I feel like conservatives are turning hard on them, or maybe it's just federal law enforcment they're turning on.

It's weird they used to seem to like the FBI? And then hated it after liking it? And then liking it again when Trump appointed his own Director? And now they hate him for being a secret leftist, again.

Though that's if they're even aware of who the FBI works for and reports to, and who their bosses actually work for. Because spoilers: It's not the current administration.

The far right has always been anti law enforcement. Always. Look at standoff in Oregon with the Bundy family and friends, the standoff at the Bundy ranch, Ruby Ridge, Waco Siege and a multitude of other things. Same people started a civil war over slavery. Hell, one of the first thing the far right has done is the tax rebellion against George Washington.

The same people shouting "Back the Blue" would have no issue shooting them in the back when they get the chance.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...orce?_amp=true



Suddenly, people with guns are a serious threat to Republicans! Why do they hate the Second Amendment so much?

Ahh yes, I didn't realize the IRS would be planted all around the world to root out financial crimes in other countries. Because, you know, the US has jurisdiction over other countries taxes.

[postman1782]

If Trump wanted to clear up what they were doing, and not fundraise off of this, he could just release the fucking warrant and a list of things that were taken. But he won't do that, because he stands to grift 10s of millions from his followers.