Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

Well, it seems DoJ is trying to force his hands by requesting to release it - unless Trump objects.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/liv...rks/index.html

You know they are going to deny the DoJ, just because Trump is making hand over fist in donations.

[Breccia]

Reports are coming in that the man who took on the Cincy FBI with an AR-15 -- you know how I feel about those -- may have have been a Jan 6th insurrectionist, and may also have left his final words on Truth Social.

Which explains why nobody saw them HEYOOO

[Edge-]

Reports are coming in that the man who took on the Cincy FBI with an AR-15

To deal with small rodents like gophers in his front yard, right?

...

Right?

[jonnysensible]

lol he watched too many youtube vids and thought he could defeat the ballistic glass with a nail gun. After failing ran away to a field with his AR15. Did some posting on the internet and then got domed by officer bob mcfriendly.

Pretty funny tbh. If only all the rightwing commentators who are encouraging this stuff did it themselves and got domed too the world would be a better place.

[Kaleredar]

lol he watched too many youtube vids and thought he could defeat the ballistic glass with a nail gun. After failing ran away to a field with his AR15. Did some posting on the internet and then got domed by officer bob mcfriendly.

Pretty funny tbh. If only all the rightwing commentators who are encouraging this stuff did it themselves and got domed too the world would be a better place.

With that sorted, now it's time to spin the wheel of "right-wing deflection!" Where will it land?

was the man:

1> an Antifa crisis actor
2> a martyr, killed by liberal fascists
3> never to be mentioned by conservative media

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-g...ood-cincinnati

Two days before Shiffer embarked on the failed breach, an account under the same name on Truth Social foreshadowed the attack, calling for followers to “kill the F.B.I. on sight” in the wake of the Trump raid. In his bio on TruthSocial, Shiffer identified himself as an electrician based in Columbus, Ohio, who had multiple social media firms lock his account.

“People, this is it,” the account posted. “I hope a call to arms comes from someone better qualified, but if not, this is your call to arms from me. Leave work tomorrow as soon as the gun shop/Army-Navy store/pawn shop opens, get whatever you need to be ready for combat. We must not tolerate this one.”

A post timestamped 9:29 a.m. Thursday, about 15 minutes after a man with a rifle tried to breach the visitor screening part of the FBI office, said, “Well, I thought I had a way through bullet proof glass, and I didn’t. If you don’t hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I., and it’ll mean either I was taken off the internet, the F.B.I. got me, or they sent the regular cops while.”

So...yeah, Trump supporter's have their first violent retaliatory attack against the FBI now.

After announcing his “call to arms” Tuesday, a user asked Shiffer if he was “proposing terrorism?” Shiffer’s account replied, “No, I am proposing war.”

“Be ready to kill the enemy, not mass shootings where leftists go, not lighting busses on fire with transexuals in them, not finding people with lefist signs in their yards and beating them up,” the post said. “Violence is not (all) terrorism. Kill the F.B.I. on sight, and be ready to take down other active enemies of the people and those who try to prevent you from doing it.”

Maybe social media companies should start taking violent threats seriously?

In another tweet, he name-checked the Proud Boys, a right-wing extremist group accused of conspiring to storm the Capitol.

Oh look, funny to see that name popping up.

In his first tweet on April 26, he wrote to Trump Jr.: “I’m just waiting for your Dad. I opened my account (first ever) at 12:25 today.”

He followed it up with a tweet storm of more than 40 posts on May 7 covering nearly every hot-button conservative conspiracy, from antifa being behind the Capitol riot, to the 2020 election being rigged, to COVID trutherism. His posts are often littered with threats of violence.

Very stable person, by all accounts.

In a reply to a tweet from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-RA), who had written that she was getting “feeling 2016 vibes,” Schiffer wrote, “Congresswoman Greene, they got away with fixing elections in plain sight. It's over. The next step is the one we used in 1775.”

Maybe law enforcement need to start searching this term for possible suspects, pops up a lot amongst violent types.

So good job, Trump, Republicans, and conservative media! You're creating domestic terrorists who are attacking federal law enforcement.

[Breccia]

3> never to be mentioned by conservative media

The ad playing before this foxnews.com video was about alien abductions.

No, really.

Then they used the term "assault rifle" and that means I win.

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Fun with the internet. The TV Trope is The Paranoiac.

To qualify, the character or characters must meet at least three of the following criteria:

Never My Fault: Paranoiacs are hypersensitive to setbacks and rebuffs. They tend to either blame others for their mistakes and bad behaviour or take pride in them as achievements.

Revenge: Paranoiacs are the most likely of all the personality types to hold grudges and hold them long.

Suspiciousness / Cynicism: They tend to assume that people they meet or know are out to bully or trick them, which ties back into Never My Fault as they can blame their shortcomings in life on the malicious sabotage of other people

Jerkass: The tendency to assume that the world is filled with malicious jerkasses ends up causing the paranoiac to act like a colossal jerkass themselves

Control Freak: they tend to be hypersensitive regarding issues of loyalty from their family, friends, colleagues, followers, and those either in their power or who they themselves owe allegiance to.

Self-Importance: if everyone is out to get you, or if you are the only one who sees how hard and crappy the world is, then clearly there is something special about you.

and Conspiracy Theorist

That's heavily trimmed down, links are embedded.

"Hey Breccia! Why are you using a TV character analysis tool to talk about Trump?"

I think we all know why.

So you probably know fictional characters that fit. Superman in Injustice: Gods Among Us; Michael Corleone from the Godfather trilogy; most well-known villains like Darth Vader, Dr. Doom, and Voldemort; and especially Cersei Lannister, who spoiler alert, is actually worse in the books than the TV show.

How many of those seven does Trump embody?

"Okay, why are you doing this tho?"

Remember what we know about the warrant so far. The FBI knew where the safe was, searched three rooms, and left with a dozen or so boxes. They did not tear the entire place apart looking for random shredded paper in Trump's excrement. FOX News is claiming it was the SS that, well, honestly did their civic duty protecting the United States from threats. Everyone else is saying it was a Trump insider. In any event, as I said before, it's either a yuge bigly list because Trump showed everyone he had classified info, or a small list because he didn't. But if Trump is as paranoid as his own hirees and family say, he could easily see enemies everywhere, dismissing as many employees as he wants while being a complete accusatory jerk to everyone else.

A Song of Ass and Fired.

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The NYPost has a timeline. Of note:

June 3, 2022

DOJ and FBI officials arrive at Mar-a-Lago with a grand jury subpoena and are shown a basement storage room where additional boxes containing White House documents and other materials are kept. Trump attorneys hand over documents marked as “top secret,” according to CNN.

June 8, 2022

Justice Department counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt reportedly requests that a stronger lock be put on the storage room door and that the boxes “be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice.”

June 22, 2022

The Trump Organization receives and complies with a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago, according to the Wall Street Journal.

August 5, 2022

US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart issues a sealed search warrant for the former president’s home.

August 8, 2022

Plainclothes FBI agents search Mar-a-Lago for more than nine hours, concentrating on a bedroom, a safe and at one point scouring former first lady Melania Trump’s wardrobe. The remaining boxes are removed from the storage room.

Now of particular concern to me has been that June 8th visit. At this point, Trump has stuff he was never allowed to take in the first place for 16 months or so. Trump is told to leave everything in a locked room...and later, the video, probably of that room, is taken.

Um. Why didn't they just take the stuff then and there? There was a subpoena, but not a warrant. A subpoena is "you have to hand it over" a warrant is "We're taking it from you". I think Trump said "No, I'm not turning the rest over" to a government official. I think Bratt was the one who told the judge he could prove Trump had illegal material, and where it was. The safe, I still suspect it had nothing useful in this case, and I now suspect was tipped off by someone else. I don't think Trump showed Bratt Melania's closet, which I now believe is where the safe was.

But again: we now know there was a grand jury subpoena June 3rd. And by now, Garland and Wray know Trump did not comply, which is bad, because he kept the materials he was never supposed to have in the first place, which is worse.

That's my take, at least. What do the facts we have lead you to conclude? Let me know what you think.

[DarkTZeratul]

With that sorted, now it's time to spin the wheel of "right-wing deflection!" Where will it land?

was the man:

1> an Antifa crisis actor
2> a martyr, killed by liberal fascists
3> never to be mentioned by conservative media

From what I've seen, they're going with "false flag." So basically number one.

[Edge-]

From what I've seen, they're going with "false flag." So basically number one.

Everything is a false flag, apparently.

[Breccia]

From what I've seen, they're going with "false flag." So basically number one.

This guy was so committed to being a false flag, he refused to surrender to the police? Wow, whoever's saying that is desperate.

[Blur4stuff]

Washington Post reporting the FBI was looking for nuclear related documents...

[Poopymonster]

The ad playing before this foxnews.com video was about alien abductions.

No, really.

Then they used the term "assault rifle" and that means I win.

- - - Updated - - -

Fun with the internet. The TV Trope is The Paranoiac.



That's heavily trimmed down, links are embedded.

"Hey Breccia! Why are you using a TV character analysis tool to talk about Trump?"

I think we all know why.

So you probably know fictional characters that fit. Superman in Injustice: Gods Among Us; Michael Corleone from the Godfather trilogy; most well-known villains like Darth Vader, Dr. Doom, and Voldemort; and especially Cersei Lannister, who spoiler alert, is actually worse in the books than the TV show.

How many of those seven does Trump embody?

"Okay, why are you doing this tho?"

Remember what we know about the warrant so far. The FBI knew where the safe was, searched three rooms, and left with a dozen or so boxes. They did not tear the entire place apart looking for random shredded paper in Trump's excrement. FOX News is claiming it was the SS that, well, honestly did their civic duty protecting the United States from threats. Everyone else is saying it was a Trump insider. In any event, as I said before, it's either a yuge bigly list because Trump showed everyone he had classified info, or a small list because he didn't. But if Trump is as paranoid as his own hirees and family say, he could easily see enemies everywhere, dismissing as many employees as he wants while being a complete accusatory jerk to everyone else.

A Song of Ass and Fired.

- - - Updated - - -

The NYPost has a timeline. Of note:



Now of particular concern to me has been that June 8th visit. At this point, Trump has stuff he was never allowed to take in the first place for 16 months or so. Trump is told to leave everything in a locked room...and later, the video, probably of that room, is taken.

Um. Why didn't they just take the stuff then and there? There was a subpoena, but not a warrant. A subpoena is "you have to hand it over" a warrant is "We're taking it from you". I think Trump said "No, I'm not turning the rest over" to a government official. I think Bratt was the one who told the judge he could prove Trump had illegal material, and where it was. The safe, I still suspect it had nothing useful in this case, and I now suspect was tipped off by someone else. I don't think Trump showed Bratt Melania's closet, which I now believe is where the safe was.

But again: we now know there was a grand jury subpoena June 3rd. And by now, Garland and Wray know Trump did not comply, which is bad, because he kept the materials he was never supposed to have in the first place, which is worse.

That's my take, at least. What do the facts we have lead you to conclude? Let me know what you think.

For funsies, who on that video is seen going into/out of that room?
Who had keys to get into the room?
With or without DilDon?
THAT'S going to be the fun stuff.

"You say a man in a bathrobe with a hat looking like yummy jam unlocked the door, went into the room, left with his bathrobe much bulkier. And his name?"
Sohammed nib Malman. Good guy. Great man. Covfefe boy. Never met him before. Who?

[Breccia]

who on that video is seen going into/out of that room?

Honestly, I'm guessing "nobody". I mean, it was Florida in July. Also, if they saw people leaving in the video, those people would probably have to be searched, too, as they could have taken stuff.

[Finlandia WOAT]

The search warrant was related to nuclear stuff.

https://twitter.com/shaneharris/stat...81121781719040

If that was on the warrant that would certainly explain why Team Trump didn't want to release it.

[Breccia]

The search warrant was related to nuclear stuff.

...oh...okay...shit.

[Paranoid Android]

Frikin Trump. All I have to say.

[Edge-]

Washington Post reporting the FBI was looking for nuclear related documents...

I feel like there are multiple stories related to Saudia Arabia/MBS, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, nuclear energy, and money. Wonder if they're all somehow connected...

[Paranoid Android]

I feel like there are multiple stories related to Saudia Arabia/MBS, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, nuclear energy, and money. Wonder if they're all somehow connected...

If they can get Jared with this you don't know what this will do to me.

[Poopymonster]

I feel like there are multiple stories related to Saudia Arabia/MBS, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, nuclear energy, and money. Wonder if they're all somehow connected...

Ooo, connect the dots, my favorite game!

[Edge-]

Ooo, connect the dots, my favorite game!

Hey, I'm not ready to dive down the rabbit hole yet, especially since the report on the subject of the warrant being about nuclear related stuff isn't 100% confirmed yet.

But I'm just connecting a few dots and wondering if those connections make sense, since folks have already been thinking about the billions Kushner got from MBS and how fishy it all was.