Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Zaydin]

The search warrant was related to nuclear stuff.

https://twitter.com/shaneharris/stat...81121781719040

If that was on the warrant that would certainly explain why Team Trump didn't want to release it.

If that is true and Trump had f@$king classified information about nuclear capabilities, he is f@#ked.

Garland called Trumps bluff with his declaration he was moving to get the warrant unsealed. Now the ball is in Trumps court; if he objects to unsealing the warrant, the question will become 'What is he hiding?'.

[jonnysensible]

wonder if the documents require a......Q Clearance level.....

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...t-trump-2022-8

So the most recent pivot from conservatives is, "WHAT ABOUT OBAMA'S PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS THERE?!"

"What happened to the 30 million pages of documents taken from the White House to Chicago by Barack Hussein Obama? He refused to give them back!" Trump wrote in a Thursday post on Truth Social. "What is going on? This act was strongly at odds with NARA. Will they be breaking into Obama's 'mansion' in Martha's Vineyard?"

Well...there are a lot of differences, but I'll let Business Insider detail them -

Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility – exactly the thing that is supposed to happen with a president's records. Federal law requires that presidents and their administrations keep a detailed collection of emails, documents, and even gifts from their time in office since all of those things are actually the property of the American people.

In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which, again, is the process that is supposed to happen.

...

Trump and Trump Jr. also drew on a line from The New York Post column noting that, to date, the records transferred to Obama's presidential library have yet to digitize the materials and make them available to the public — five years since the end of his term and when the record transfer began.

Though the delay has sparked some ire from historians and critics, the process of transferring the records themselves often take years to undertake, not to mention the task of digitizing roughly 30 million documents to be made available online.

TLDR: Obama followed the rules for this and is handling it by the book when it comes to retaining and storing documents, including classified information. Trump, did not.

[Dontrike]

With that sorted, now it's time to spin the wheel of "right-wing deflection!" Where will it land?

was the man:

1> an Antifa crisis actor
2> a martyr, killed by liberal fascists
3> never to be mentioned by conservative media

It will likely start as "an outlier that doesn't reflect how conservatives think, someone that had a lot of mental issues and needed help" or "this patriot was gunned down while looking for the truth".

Likely how they acted with Ashley Babbitt, maybe they'll go back and forth between "patriot" and "terrorist".

[Breccia]

The search warrant was related to nuclear stuff.

WaPo has a half-decent paywall. Not good enough. Quoting the whole thing out of spite.

Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.

The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search. A Trump spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.

Attorney General Merrick Garland said he could not discuss the investigation on Thursday. But in an unusual public statement at the Justice Department, he announced he had personally authorized the decision to seek court permission for a search warrant.

Garland spoke moments after Justice Department lawyers filed a motion seeking to unseal the search warrant in the case, noting that Trump had publicly revealed the search shortly after it happened.

“The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” the motion says. “That said, the former President should have an opportunity to respond to this Motion and lodge objections, including with regards to any ‘legitimate privacy interests’ or the potential for other ‘injury’ if these materials are made public.”

Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.

One former Justice Department official, who in the past oversaw investigations of leaks of classified information, said the type of top-secret information described by the people familiar with the probe would probably cause authorities to try to move as quickly as possible to recover sensitive documents that could cause grave harm to U.S. security.

“If that is true, it would suggest that material residing unlawfully at Mar-a-Lago may have been classified at the highest classification level,” said David Laufman, the former chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section, which investigates leaks of classified information. “If the FBI and the Department of Justice believed there were top secret materials still at Mar-a-Lago, that would lend itself to greater ‘hair-on-fire’ motivation to recover that material as quickly as possible.”

The Monday search of Trump’s home by FBI agents has caused a political furor, with Trump and many of his Republican defenders accusing the FBI of acting out of politically motivated malice. Some have threatened the agency on social media.

As Garland spoke Thursday, police in Ohio were engaged in a standoff with --

Yeah we seem to have swapped topics there. Let me scroll ahead....okay.

The investigation into the improper handling of documents began months ago, when the National Archives and Records Administration sought the return of material taken to Mar-a-Lago from the White House. Fifteen boxes of documents and items, some of them marked classified, were returned early this year. The archives subsequently asked the Justice Department to investigate.

Former senior intelligence officials said in interviews that during the Trump administration, highly classified intelligence about sensitive topics, including about intelligence-gathering on Iran, was routinely mishandled. One former official said the most highly classified information often ended up in the hands of personnel who didn’t appear to have a need to possesses it or weren’t authorized to read it.

That former official also said signals intelligence — intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel. Such intercepts are among the most closely guarded secrets because of what they can reveal about how the United States has penetrated foreign governments.

A person familiar with the inventory of 15 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago in January indicated that signals intelligence material was included in them. The precise nature of the information was unclear.

The former officials and the other individual spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.

So...yeah. Assuming this article is correct, and based on the re-posts a lot of people do, but assuming it's correct Trump might have had classified info not about our nukes, but Iran's...and by virtue of that, Iran would that we know, and how we know.

Hey what's that country people have been talking about recently? One directly aiding Trump with billions? Oh, right, the Saudis.

We're a ways from knowing the full truth, but if the WH thought Trump had something this "what the everyholyfuck" bad, I can understand not waiting for Trump to show a few more people before kicking down the door and taking it.

If Trump did have Iranian nuclear info, and that's now missing...as I posted a while back, losing classified info is still a major crime. If he sold it, that's treason.

Sadly, there's not a rope strong enough for that bloated fat bulk.

Honestly? This might be the one time I hope Trump didn't do what's being thrown at him. I do not trust Trump with loose nuclear secrets. It's too soon to know if this is true or false, but man, this better be false.

[Beefhammer]

WaPo has a half-decent paywall. Not good enough. Quoting the whole thing out of spite.



Yeah we seem to have swapped topics there. Let me scroll ahead....okay.



So...yeah. Assuming this article is correct, and based on the re-posts a lot of people do, but assuming it's correct Trump might have had classified info not about our nukes, but Iran's...and by virtue of that, Iran would that we know, and how we know.

Hey what's that country people have been talking about recently? One directly aiding Trump with billions? Oh, right, the Saudis.

We're a ways from knowing the full truth, but if the WH thought Trump had something this "what the everyholyfuck" bad, I can understand not waiting for Trump to show a few more people before kicking down the door and taking it.

If Trump did have Iranian nuclear info, and that's now missing...as I posted a while back, losing classified info is still a major crime. If he sold it, that's treason.

Sadly, there's not a rope strong enough for that bloated fat bulk.

Honestly? This might be the one time I hope Trump didn't do what's being thrown at him. I do not trust Trump with loose nuclear secrets. It's too soon to know if this is true or false, but man, this better be false.

Don't forget the orange shitstain wanted to give Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons/tech and they just so happened to give Kushner's investment company $2B for no reason.

[Edge-]

I feel like there are multiple stories related to Saudia Arabia/MBS, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, nuclear energy, and money. Wonder if they're all somehow connected...

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status...89064929468416

So this is more specifically what I was referencing in this post, I was struggling to remember the exact story but this is it. There's a link to the report in one of his subsequent tweets.

Is this a theory with a lot of evidence? No, not at all and I'm not pretending it is.

But does it fit?

Known questionable ties to Saudi's in the Trump orbit
Whistleblower report about transferring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in 2019
Jared Kushner, who is not exactly what anyone would call "good with money" between him being a slumlord and only unloading his disastrous 99-year lease into 666 5th Ave. in New Yor City two years into the Trump presidency to Brookfield (apparently with a bit of a profit!), who are a global asset manager, is given $2B in "investment" by the Saudis.
Trump is also paid untold sums of money by the same Saudi's for things like hosting golf tournaments at his courses.

Are those all connected? In all likelyhood, no. But is there a reasonable possibility there are some connections there? Yeah, absolutely. Trump is a prostitute like anyone one else, we all have our price. His may have been vast sums of money for some silly documents for nerds the US had for some reason.

[jonnysensible]

didnt a bunch of chinese operatives get pinched at mar a lago

[Corvus]

If its nuclear secrets he is so fucked. And if it is the case, I wonder how fast the GOP turns on him. Not the cultists, obviously - they are willing participants in treason already. But it might be a step too far for even the GOP to take.

[Breccia]

didnt a bunch of chinese operatives get pinched at mar a lago

There was one, but she was caught trying to break in. Trump didn't give them anything.

[Edge-]

didnt a bunch of chinese operatives get pinched at mar a lago

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/chin...sentenced.html

She wasn't a spy, she was just a businesswoman with a bunch of cash and a ton of electronics and a thumb drive of spyware who got lost getting pretty far into Mar-a-Lago. And got 8 months in prison and was deported, though no clue if she actually served time.

It happens. One minute you're on your way to Jacksonville, FL, business capitol of FL, the next you're wandering into a golf resort owned by the President of the United States of America, while he happens to be there playing golf.

Though honestly, given how kinda hilariously amateurish it seems to be I'd be fairly surprised if it was some serious attempt by China to introduce on-site malware into any federal systems at the place.

[Breccia]

Funny, since the "Trump had nuclear intel" story broke, FOX News has gotten reeeeeeeeeeeeally quiet. No new headlines from them since.

By contrast, the NYTimes live tracker is saying that some Trump allies are getting lawyers to block the release of the warrant themselves.

"Can they?"

I assume they can try, if nothing else it might delay things. Worth noting: they have a deadline, and a quick one, to find a legal reason to shove their face in this. I can't imagine what Republican lawmakers could do, considering all the "juicy" stuff will be redacted so that excuse won't work. But it does seem like such a ploy would be throwing themselves on the sword, like that Ohio shooter, to do Trump's will without Trump being implicated. Trying to stop the world from knowing for sure the FBI found nuclear secrets in Melania's panty drawer, without Trump having to say in court "I don't want the world to know the FBI found in my house".

In a few hours, we'll know which way this goes. Different sources disagree on whether Trump tells the court, or the DoJ tells the court what Trump told them, but hopefully the court demands something signed by Trump saying "we object" and failing that the release is permitted.

[Good Hasbara]

Garland going Scorched Earf on Republicans would be too delicious to put into words. Wouldn't have to worry about Mad Dogg Merrick if he was where he was supposed to be, cockbags.

[Xyonai]

If its nuclear secrets he is so fucked. And if it is the case, I wonder how fast the GOP turns on him. Not the cultists, obviously - they are willing participants in treason already. But it might be a step too far for even the GOP to take.

Honesty it gives Establishment republicans a good chance to back away from him so they can focus on propping up their next Wanna-be Dictator for the 2024 election. But republicans also have a number of actual delusional crazies in their midst who're just going to make a stink about this and keep it in the spotlight forever as they whine about it and will violently push back against any 'RINO' who -dares- suggest that the Criminal who was hoarding US Nuclear secrets is anything but a saint.

[Breccia]

I wonder how fast the GOP turns on him.

Honesty it gives Establishment republicans a good chance to back away from him

They should have been looking for the exit a while ago. I think they have -- DeSantis. He can actually run a government effectively while also pulling in the crazies. How DeSantis will work it exactly, trying to get the cultists to think DeSantis believes in fraud and Trump's innocence while he doesn't take a single step towards action on those. But simply put, the GOP knew this would happen. They just hoped they'd have more time. Trump's pull in 2022 was something they were counting on, and...well, this wasn't what they had in mind. Every single Democrat should ask, in their debates, "Do you think the election was fair? Do you agree with Trump stealing nuclear secrets and giving them to the Saudis and Iran?" Force them to give independents a reason to go blue.

[beanman12345]

Just turned on MSNBC, was greeted by a FOX News clip.

Paraphrasing
Ingraham - "is it your understanding there was no documents related to nuclear capability that relates to national security in the president's position when the FBI showed up at Mar a Lago?"
Trump Lawyer idk who she is - "that's correct, I don't believe they..."
Ingraham - "Well do you know for a fact? Have you spoken to Trump?"
Trump Lawyer - "Oh I haven't spoken to Trump, I just don't think there was nuclear documents, because that's what my ass is telling me."

Clowns.

[Breccia]

Clowns.

So...was that Ingraham backing away from Trump?

[postman1782]

If its nuclear secrets he is so fucked. And if it is the case, I wonder how fast the GOP turns on him. Not the cultists, obviously - they are willing participants in treason already. But it might be a step too far for even the GOP to take.

I guarantee they continue sucking his dick, just like they did even after their brief moment of clarity on January 6th.

[beanman12345]

So...was that Ingraham backing away from Trump?

Not sure, didn't see anymore than that like minute of the exchange. I would like to think so. But I remember a very very short period of time, I forgot what happened, but FOX turned from Trump and Newsmax got like a million views or something absurdly stupid as a result and FOX did a complete 180 back to Trump.

[postman1782]

Current chiron on MSNBC during Stephanie Ruhle, is that Trump won't oppose the release of documents, let's see if he follows through with that. I can pretty much guarantee, if what was released today about him having nuclear documentation, on anything weapon related or anything, he won't release the warrant or the list of the things that was taken.