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    Rumors are starting to form that the rat was...Kushner.

    Publicly declared by Cohen and Mary Trump, it's based on (a) only a close friend or family member would know about the safe (b) Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudis and the feds have done nothing (c) Kushner has been attempting to out-maneuver the wounded, ineffective Trump for years (d) Ivanka and Kushner fled DC for Florida almost immediately after the murderous insurrection and have been making plans to break out of the family every second since.

    It's an excellent suggestion by Cohen.

    "You think it's true?"

    Eh, maybe? But Cohen probably thinks Trump might think it's true. He's been trolling Trump for a while, this is just twisting the knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Rumors are starting to form that the rat was...Kushner.

    Publicly declared by Cohen and Mary Trump, it's based on (a) only a close friend or family member would know about the safe (b) Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudis and the feds have done nothing (c) Kushner has been attempting to out-maneuver the wounded, ineffective Trump for years (d) Ivanka and Kushner fled DC for Florida almost immediately after the murderous insurrection and have been making plans to break out of the family every second since.

    It's an excellent suggestion by Cohen.

    "You think it's true?"

    Eh, maybe? But Cohen probably thinks Trump might think it's true. He's been trolling Trump for a while, this is just twisting the knife.
    Didn't Ivanka also flip on Trump during the Jan. 6th committee hearing?

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    Jared and Ivanka may or may not flipped, but it's certainly something Trump is currently agonizing over to be sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Jared and Ivanka may or may not flipped, but it's certainly something Trump is currently agonizing over to be sure.
    The very shining example of irony, Trump finally got Ivanka to fuck him.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Didn't Ivanka also flip on Trump during the Jan. 6th committee hearing?
    Not by any sane accounting, no.

    She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!)
    But Trump clearly thought so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    When seizing illegally obtained classified documents, the FBI will go for more and not less, and separate them out later, legally
    It is possible that some privileged documents were stored with the top secret documents Trump stole and taken at the same time. So even if Trump is telling the truth, which would be a first, it changes nothing about his case. He took things he wasn't supposed to, he refused to return them, and lied about having them. Whether or not a parking ticket was in the mix isn't important. His excuse is useless and probably false.

    Incidentally, Adam Schiff's interview has been making the rounds.
    1) "A former president has no declassification authority."
    2) There is no evidence Trump declassified them while he had the chance.
    3) The DOJ seizing Perry's phone points towards their belief that the Fake Election plot was a crime.

    If #3 is correct, the fact that the Jan 6th panel has a lot of texts and emails could really turn around on Trump.

    Full transcript here.

    I was going to cite FOX News to get some more CNN points for later...so I will.

    Devin Nunes was on FOX News and just fell apart.

    And they went into the grand jury looking at the president for treason as if he’s, And look, if that was the case, if he really was holding these these these documents, these so-called classified documents and documents, we even heard, you know, leaks of nuclear secrets that the president was holding. Well, that’s preposterous. And if that was true, you should have sent, they should have immediately sent and made this public and sent FBI agents around Mar-a-Lago if the nuclear secrets were really there.
    They did. Oh, I see. Nunes was suggesting the FBI been sent to Trump's house sooner. Yeah, looking at his colleagues and their responses, I don't think he should be saying that.

    So so once again, this is a continued investigation of Trump and the Republican Party. It’s basically an investigation in search of a crime. And then conveniently, they brought back the Mueller witch hunt argument that ‘Oh, my God, he’s he’s obstructing justice'. Obstructing justice on what? You jerks! Stuff that you had you had planted on an investigation that you basically created out of whole cloth. And I think that’s what we’re dealing with. The American people need to pay attention to it
    Yep, he's going with "it was planted". You know, after Trump said it was fine that he took it and he was planning on returning it and it was privileged.

    Nunes is the shining example of Trump's rabid fanbase: throwing wild, baseless, factless accusations around while defending a damn-near proven criminal. Because he'd rather seem insane than admit he made a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Nunes is the shining example of Trump's rabid fanbase: throwing wild, baseless, factless accusations around while defending a damn-near proven criminal. Because he'd rather seem insane than admit he made a mistake.
    In regards to the bolded, as long as the FBI isn't lying, it's already proven. It would be a fact that he had in his possession docs that he could not legally have.
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    Presidential historian Michael Beschloss:

    We have never in history seen a former president take ultra-classified documents, stick them in his basement, loosely watched by government standards, and with the shadow of we still don’t know what his motive was.

    This is not something that we have seen before,” Beschloss said. “Don’t think this is normal procedure.
    He also, like many others, immediately debunked the "Obama did it" defense attempt.

    John Dean, Nixon's WH counsel:

    Well, I think that they don’t seem to want to appreciate that the FBI and other federal law enforcement as well as state and local, they enforce search warrants every day, against every kind of person.

    And there’s a reason Trump provoked this. He’s the one who didn’t cooperate. He’s the one who forced Merrick Garland’s hand. We don’t know what it is he has or had. Garland isn’t a risk taker, he isn’t a guy whose bold and goes where no one else has ever gone. He’s somebody who does it by the book so I think these people are going to have egg all over their face when this is over. While they may not ever admit it, there, there certainly should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2144865.html

    We are here -

    [ ] There were no documents at Mar-a-Lago

    [ ] If there were documents at Mar-a-Lago, they were planted by the FBI

    [ ] Ok, there were documents, but they don't matter, nothing classified

    [ ] But Obama has documents too!

    [X] Ok there were documents and we would like them back now, please
    You left out the one about Hunter Biden's laptop or whatever it is they're obsessed with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethul Ur No View Post
    You left out the one about Hunter Biden's laptop or whatever it is they're obsessed with.
    Yeah, pieces of sub-human trash like Bongino are definitely shrieking about that and Hillary’s emails over at Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post
    Yeah, pieces of sub-human trash like Bongino are definitely shrieking about that and Hillary’s emails over at Fox News.
    Bold of them to take their “Hunter Biden’s laptop” strategy that got them nowhere in 2020 and… try that exact same thing again.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    https://apnews.com/article/voting-ri...995d37b1ee7d22

    Well, Kansas now has the funding for the recount, since it needs to be covered externally in case the recount verifies the initial tally.

    Mark Gietzen, who leads a group called Kansas Republican Assembly, will foot the $229,000 bill for it despite there being a 165,000 vote difference making the chances of a different outcome beyond slim.

    There remains no evidence of voter fraud or anything of the sort. So this group will just blow their money and waste a bunch of time from election employees on yet another actual witch hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post
    Yeah, pieces of sub-human trash like Bongino are definitely shrieking about that and Hillary’s emails over at Fox News.
    Yep, I was out of my room walking through the living room earlier where my dumbass stepdad was watching Fox News like a good little cultist and the morning morons were saying that Hillary did the same thing and worse, even though she didn't, and even skipping over the fact that Republicans cleared her in the FBI and congress.

    Also skipping over the fact that, as soon as Trump lost his presidency, he lost the SCIF at Mar-A-Lago, and Biden took his security clearance away from him.

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/bide...n-funds-2022-8

    The Taliban's hopes of getting its hands on $7 billion in reserves in Afghanistan's central bank have for now been dashed as the Biden administration rules out releasing the frozen assets that have been held by the US for the last year, according to a new report.

    The Biden administration will not release any of the funds, and it has suspended talks with the Taliban on the matter after the US found and killed Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in a drone strike late last month in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, US officials told The Wall Street Journal in a report published on Monday.
    Huh...so housing a terrorist leader in the capitol of your country might not be the best way to get the US to release much-needed funds? And might be a good way to kill any ongoing talks?

    Until recently, the US and the Taliban had been negotiating the release of $3.5 billion in Afghanistan's reserves, it was previously reported.

    Last week, more than 70 economists and experts sent a letter to President Joe Biden and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, urging the administration to release the $7 billion in frozen reserve funds.

    The economists argued that Afghanistan's central bank needs the funds to help the struggling country combat severe economic and humanitarian woes, such as high inflation and a populace on the brink of starvation, among other concerns.

    "The Taliban government has done horrific things, including but not limited to its appalling treatment of women and girls, and ethnic minorities," they wrote. "However, it is both morally condemnable and politically and economically reckless to impose collective punishment on an entire people for the actions of a government they did not choose."
    Now this isn't all great news and all, there are tons of folks suffering under the Taliban in Afghanistan. But it's also highly likely that even if the $7B the US is holding were released that very little would find its way to the actual people and most would simply be stolen by the Taliban to spend on lavish shit and funding terror. As terrible as it may be, continuing to withhold the money is likely the least-bad option here.

    I look forward to conservatives celebrating that Biden not only oversaw the elimination of a 9/11 plotter, but is using that to withhold funds from a terrorist organization. Even if they're technically funds for the Afghan government.

    At least they haven't been invited back to Camp David yet, so that's something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Not by any sane accounting, no.
    I could have sworn it was reported that she no longer believes her dad won the election in 2020, but maybe I'm mixing something up.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/u...ion-trump.html

    Lawyers for Rudolph W. Giuliani have been told that he is a target of a criminal investigation in Georgia into election interference by Donald J. Trump and his advisers, one of Mr. Giuliani’s lawyers said on Monday.

    Mr. Giuliani, who spearheaded efforts to keep Mr. Trump in power as his personal lawyer, emerged in recent weeks as a central figure in the inquiry being conducted by Fani T. Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, Ga., which encompasses most of Atlanta. Earlier this summer, prosecutors questioned witnesses before a special grand jury about Mr. Giuliani’s appearances before state legislative panels in December 2020, when he spent hours peddling false conspiracy theories about secret suitcases of Democratic ballots and corrupted voting machines.

    For Mr. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, the developments are the latest in a widening swath of trouble, though he got some good news recently when it emerged that he was unlikely to face charges in a federal criminal inquiry into his ties to Ukraine during the 2020 presidential campaign.

    Mr. Giuliani is scheduled to appear before the special grand jury on Monday at a downtown Atlanta courthouse. His lawyer, Robert Costello, disclosed in an interview that prosecutors told him Monday that Mr. Giuliani was a target.

    Mr. Costello said Mr. Giuliani would probably invoke attorney-client privilege if asked questions about his dealings with Mr. Trump. “If these people think he’s going to talk about conversations between him and President Trump, they’re delusional,” Mr. Costello said.

    Also on Monday, a Federal District Court judge in Atlanta, Leigh Martin May, rejected efforts by South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham to avoid appearing before the special grand jury. Mr. Graham is set to testify on August 23. The judge found that prosecutors had shown that there is “a special need for Senator Graham’s testimony on issues relating to alleged attempts to influence or disrupt the lawful administration of Georgia’s 2022 elections.”
    I bet the Four Seasons Total Landscaping parking lot is available for another press conference, in case Giuliani wants to host one.

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    One thing that hasn't got enough attention is the grifting and monetization of the MAGA supporters. There was a picture yesterday from Truth Social, and it was 90% ads for overpriced "immunity boosting" supplements, "Stop the Steal" t-shirts, etc. The response from Trump to his espionage investigation was to ask for more donations. There is an entire cottage industry now just for separating conservatives from their money by pandering to their cultism. Some ads even mention that buying their product will cause "liberal tears", as though sending them money for overpriced novelty items will have a political effect.

    Particularly political news orgs that have a clear bias, and then sell ads for politically slanted products are where things start to get really morally murky. Or any news org that abuses it's status as a news outlet to sell products. For example, a weather channel that intentionally inflates the risk of a hurricane or severe storm, and then markets it's own weather radios or survival kits would cross the same line. It effectively turns the channel or app from a news source into a 24x7 infomercial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biglog View Post
    One thing that hasn't got enough attention is the grifting and monetization of the MAGA supporters. There was a picture yesterday from Truth Social, and it was 90% ads for overpriced "immunity boosting" supplements, "Stop the Steal" t-shirts, etc. The response from Trump to his espionage investigation was to ask for more donations. There is an entire cottage industry now just for separating conservatives from their money by pandering to their cultism. Some ads even mention that buying their product will cause "liberal tears", as though sending them money for overpriced novelty items will have a political effect.

    Particularly political news orgs that have a clear bias, and then sell ads for politically slanted products are where things start to get really morally murky. Or any news org that abuses it's status as a news outlet to sell products. For example, a weather channel that intentionally inflates the risk of a hurricane or severe storm, and then markets it's own weather radios or survival kits would cross the same line. It effectively turns the channel or app from a news source into a 24x7 infomercial.
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    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-tr...-raid?ref=home

    So...conservative groups were organizing a protest of the FBI's D.C. office over the weekend...until they weren't. Apparently just before the weekend hit they started to think that maybe it was a sting operation - because you know, peacefully protesting the FBI is actually absolutely legal and not something you can be arrested for - and they were walking into a trap.

    Nobody showed up as a result.

    These people are terrified of their own shadows, lol.

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    Trump's malding over the fact that his Passports (Yes, plural) have all been confiscated by the FBI.

    So at least they acknowledged that he's a hella flight risk and nipped that in the bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Trump's malding over the fact that his Passports (Yes, plural) have all been confiscated by the FBI.

    So at least they acknowledged that he's a hella flight risk and nipped that in the bud.
    He does know that they took those when he lost the election right? Because he is a security risk if he goes to another country. They get Secret Service detail, yes, but they don't get enough to protect him if goes to somewhere hostile.

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