Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Paranoid Android]

Scoop: Federal prosecutors likely to wait until after Nov election to announce any action against Trump, if they determine he broke any laws, sources tell
@cstrohm
. Under DOJ policy, no investigative steps 60 days before election. This year, that's Sept. 10.

Wait is Trump running for House or Senate this mid term? Dog Catcher maybe in a local election. I don't know how if there is enough to prosecute to hold on after an election.

[Breccia]

Wait is Trump running for House or Senate this mid term?

If Trump is arrested, red voters will turn out in force. This might have been taken as a nonpartisan step, but it's actually a win for logic and reason.

[Poopymonster]

Scoop: Federal prosecutors likely to wait until after Nov election to announce any action against Trump, if they determine he broke any laws, sources tell
@cstrohm
. Under DOJ policy, no investigative steps 60 days before election. This year, that's Sept. 10.

Wait is Trump running for House or Senate this mid term? Dog Catcher maybe in a local election. I don't know how if there is enough to prosecute to hold on after an election.

How many people running in an election would get swept up in it would be a good question.

[cubby]

Scoop: Federal prosecutors likely to wait until after Nov election to announce any action against Trump, if they determine he broke any laws, sources tell
@cstrohm
. Under DOJ policy, no investigative steps 60 days before election. This year, that's Sept. 10.

Wait is Trump running for House or Senate this mid term? Dog Catcher maybe in a local election. I don't know how if there is enough to prosecute to hold on after an election.

Actually, this makes a lot of sense. We're in completely new territory here, and we should be cautious. Frankly, waiting to announce until after the Nov elections will probably help the Democrats.

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If Trump is arrested, red voters will turn out in force. This might have been taken as a nonpartisan step, but it's actually a win for logic and reason.

Agreed.

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[Breccia]

Lying to your lawyer is not perjury, nor a crime. If you sign something that is submitted to the court, i.e. an affidavit, then it is perjury.

I'm wondering if Trump signed a single thing his lawyers turned over? I'm starting to wonder if this is the start of a new legal strategy. Lie to your lawyer, have them turn in forms without signing them, ??? profit.

[cubby]

I'm wondering if Trump signed a single thing his lawyers turned over? I'm starting to wonder if this is the start of a new legal strategy. Lie to your lawyer, have them turn in forms without signing them, ??? profit.

He's already been doing it, so badly that at least one group of his attorney's is complaining to the judge.

Trump is now in legitimate serious legal trouble. Garland probably has a Red Team for his Red Team at this point. "Are we fucking sure our ducks are in a row?" is all he sees now in his dreams.

[Edge-]

https://archive.ph/AbYo5

Archive link, but bad news for Ron DeSantis and his crack team of "election cops".

Hilariously, given that it seems state/county officials - including the guy overseeing the election cop division when he was overseeing a county election office - all approved the registration forms of the 20 "voter fraudsters" and provided almost all of them with voter ID cards.

Which led most of them to believe they could legally vote, since the state/county said they could. Which...may end up with charges being dropped and Ron having, again, nothing to show for the millions of taxpayer dollars he's wasting on this political boondoggle.

[masterhorus8]

https://archive.ph/AbYo5

Archive link, but bad news for Ron DeSantis and his crack team of "election cops".

Hilariously, given that it seems state/county officials - including the guy overseeing the election cop division when he was overseeing a county election office - all approved the registration forms of the 20 "voter fraudsters" and provided almost all of them with voter ID cards.

Which led most of them to believe they could legally vote, since the state/county said they could. Which...may end up with charges being dropped and Ron having, again, nothing to show for the millions of taxpayer dollars he's wasting on this political boondoggle.

Can the state/county officials be charged with anything? Unsure as to what laws might even be applicable for that.

[Edge-]

Can the state/county officials be charged with anything? Unsure as to what laws might even be applicable for that.

No clue. The division is new and so are some of the laws around it, and I'm not super familiar with FL's specific voting laws.

[tehdang]

I'm sure what you'll say won't be stupid or insane in the least bit.

It sounds like we're done here.

It's not opinions of you. It's opinions on your statements regarding Clinton. And you didn't recant any of their arguments; you just ignored their posts like they didn't happen.

Of course only they can recant. By definition.

Like I think you willfully misread that part of my post early on. Nobody could otherwise be so dense.

I drew attention to your grandstanding in the connection to Republicans on social issues, because apparently the left can't stop themselves from connecting an FBI raid to criticism of Republican social policy. You tried to pull a "My point was..." to reframe it as paying too much attention to one compared to the other, but still there are a great many things out there to follow as news stories without demanding to ignore one if you're covering another. You're really on weak ground here. You surrendered that there was any connection between the two, then tried to bring it back, and now declare reading them in the same post is willful misreading.

The investigation into the allegations of the Nunes memo found no political motivation to their potentially misfiled application to look into Trump's ties with Russia. That is what the Nunes memo acquiesced to.

The dire warnings on what classified information was contained therein were laughable lies. Democratic operatives and intelligence people claimed that confidential sources and national security were threatened if the memo was declassified and released. It turned out to be just embarrassing info about the FBI, regarding how they obtained FISA surveillance.

The Nunes memo, above all, alleged that the inquiry was political and therefore not to be trusted. The DOJ review found clerical errors in the way the FISA warrants were submitted. They found no issue with the actual information obtained being fraudulent or false. You seem to be claiming that they made up the information, like you're claiming that they're... making up that Trump had these documents?

Yeah, I'm bringing it back to the documents Trump had. You're trying to whataboutism real hard, but I'm not going to let you.

And regardless, no judgement of misconduct has been made on the FBI's raid on Mar-a-lago, as signed off on by a judge and done legally to the letter, so far as anyone with any insight into how the legal world operates has opined for now. A judge Trump appointed, no less. Just like the conservative judges that approved continued action on the FBI's continued surveillance that the Nunes Memo was so pissy about.

Anybody that wants to ignore that example and continue to just repeat the FBI's lines is being willfully ignorant.

When it's your analysis vs everyone else's, maybe you're just in the wrong.

Already covered the polling problem, and obviously a forum so tolerant of calls to lynch retired government officials aren't going to have qualms about any potential misbehavior in the justice department regarding people they hate.

And a whole bunch of people stormed the capitol building trying to lynch the former vice president. People died over it.

They were republicans.

Say, while we're at it, what's your opinion on the raid on the capitol building? Was that all just a "democrat overreaction" like Trump having nuclear secrets printed out in a box?

Have any members of this forum called for lynching the former vice president? Because I cited an actual post and responses to it on lynching another.

You're alleging mass conspiracy because of a misfiling of documents four years ago.

And I mean, if you're talking about past cases, misconduct, statute violations and legal proceedings, Trump isn't exactly the poster boy to be rallying behind on the matter.

You also keep harping on about guilty testimonies and firings and the mass shame of the FBI. I can't actually find any sources on that. The only associated "guilty plea" I can find is Trump advisor George Papadopoulos pleading guilty to lying to the FBI which actually began the probe.

Now I think we're really done. I've never mentioned mass conspiracies, but since you've doubled down on putting words in my mouth, I'll leave you to any posters more willing to answer things you wish they had said but didn't. For my part, I answered your original question and explained myself as to why. PMs are open if you think this treatment is unfair.

Fine

From my previous post, on an actual statement from you

If you want to start allowing people their own opinions on politics, stated honestly, this would be a departure for you ... but a welcome one. State it for the record so we're actually talking to each other.

If you're quite willing to state over a half a dozen times in multiple threads that I'm repeating lines from somebody else, surely you can create a positive statement contradicting the past ones and asserting that you'll treat future posts differently. We've been through too many questions from you, just to hear my honest answers mis-ascribed to some political team. It's just me here.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-tr...is-smoking-gun

According to DOJ’s recent brief, classified documents in that office were “commingled” in a desk drawer with three passports. While the government did not disclose the name on the passports, Trump himself has complained that during the search, the FBI “stole” his three passports. It seems a safe bet that the passports DOJ recovered were Trump’s.

The significance of the passports is enormous. As DOJ explained in an understated footnote, “The location of the passports is relevant evidence in an investigation of unauthorized retention and mishandling of national defense information.”

In other words, the presence of the passports in the same drawer as the classified records tends to tie the unauthorized possession of these documents to Trump himself. A photo included with the filing shows the items that were recovered from his office. Among the classification markings on the documents are “Top Secret,” meaning that the disclosure of the material could cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States.

So the reason the FBI collected the passports comes into focus more.

It wasn't they viewed Trump as a flight risk, it was establishing personal custody of the classified documents and that they were in the possession of Donald Trump, mixed in with his personal documents. I imagine part of that is also to establish that, despite claims otherwise, the storage of these documents was in no way, shape, or form actually secure. They were not in a locked safe in a secure room, they were mixed in with personal documents in desks and drawers.

[Breccia]

So the reason the FBI collected the passports comes into focus more.

I should have said this the first time this was posted: who keeps their passports in their desk when they have a safe? My passport is in my safe, and I'm a nobody.

[gondrin]

Can the state/county officials be charged with anything? Unsure as to what laws might even be applicable for that.

Only if they can prove there was intent to do something they normally wouldn't do. If they thought they were able to vote because were told they were able to vote but the people gave them bad info because they knew if those people voted, it would be fraud but didn't tell them, there might be a case for entrapment but not sure how that would play out.

Knowing Florida and how it is right now, they will just fire a couple of people and try to brush it under the rug.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/are-tr...is-smoking-gun



So the reason the FBI collected the passports comes into focus more.

It wasn't they viewed Trump as a flight risk, it was establishing personal custody of the classified documents and that they were in the possession of Donald Trump, mixed in with his personal documents. I imagine part of that is also to establish that, despite claims otherwise, the storage of these documents was in no way, shape, or form actually secure. They were not in a locked safe in a secure room, they were mixed in with personal documents in desks and drawers.

What, the whole "There is nothing to see in there." sign wasn't good enough? Man, I thought that was a good deterrent too. /s

[Edge-]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...to-1234585191/

Fox: Why would Trump have all that classified information in the pictures? Why SCI information? The agencies didn't know this was all apparently "declassified".
Kristi Noem: "It's important that we have someone outside the DoJ looking at this, we don't know what's in there! We don't know what the process for declassifying information, we need to know what that is!"
Fox: But Governor, literally no president has ever done this before.

Also -

Lara Trump: The FBI/DoJ don't want anyone to know what they took! Sure it's all classified material that's part of an active investigation, but they want to keep it secret!

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Dan Bongino: DON'T TRUST THE FBI! WHY SHOULD YOU TRUST THE FBI?! THE FBI ARE ALL DEEP STATE LEFTISTS! LOTS MORE ANGRY SHOUTING BUT THIS IS GOING ON TOO LONG AND I AM BORED.

Also - https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...74411681243136

ULTRA MAGA writer - THESE ARE JUST COVER SHEETS! PLANTED, FAKE EVIDENCE!

Also also - https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...55625146093568

The stupid fucking Dilbert guy: TRUMP DID THIS AS A BACKUP SAFETY PLAN AGAINST THE DEEP STATE! AND FOR A BIOGRAPHY HE WON'T WRITE! AND TREASON FOR PROFIT (a good idea!)! OR HE JUST FORGOT! OR THE FBI PLANTED IT! OR THE DOCUMENTS WERE MISLABLED! IT'S PROBABLY THAT LAST ONE, CLEALRY JUST A BUNCH OF MISLABLED DOCUMENTS!

Also also also - https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/sta...18029388734465

House Judiciary Republicans: BUT I SEE A TIME MAGAZINE SOMEWHERE SO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT IN THE CORNER AND NOW THE 6+ TOP SECRET/SCI DOCUMENTS PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 10+ WHITED OUT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!

Also also also also - https://twitter.com/benshapiro/statu...69560666677248

That guy who can't sexually arouse his wife: YEAH BUT TRUMP JUST HOARDS DOCUMENTS AND REALLY HATES BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO SO HE KEPT THEM SINCE THE ARCHIVES DEMANDED THEM BACK AND HE'S AN ALPHA THAT DOES WHAT HE WANTS. ALSO, HILLARY FOR SOME REASON.

Man, the conservative talking points are in more shambles than usual after this one photo came out.

[s_bushido]

In the deepest recesses of my shriveled heart, I almost feel sorry for these idiots. The apologia they're forced to engage in to defend an obvious criminal conman is almost as sad as religious apologetics trying to convince us that stories about global genocide and ethnic cleansing are examples of perfectly good behavior.

[Breccia]

The stupid fucking Dilbert guy: TRUMP DID THIS AS A BACKUP SAFETY PLAN AGAINST THE DEEP STATE! AND FOR A BIOGRAPHY HE WON'T WRITE!

Well, like the pointy-haired boss, Trump's plans immediately fell apart because nobody competent was involved. By the way, this isn't a defense.

That guy who can't sexually arouse his wife

Lindsey Graham?

[Fugus]

I should have said this the first time this was posted: who keeps their passports in their desk when they have a safe? My passport is in my safe, and I'm a nobody.

Maybe he was hoping to leave outside the nation sometime in the near future and wanted both his passports and the paperwork he was trying to take with him with easy access for his departure.

Would suck to try and sell national secrets just to get there and realize you forgot to grab the documents on your way out, just have it with his passports for a quick grab that makes it harder to forget.

[s_bushido]

Lindsey Graham?

Nah. That would be Ben "a wet pussy is a sign of an illness" Shapiro.

[ringpriest]

I should have said this the first time this was posted: who keeps their passports in their desk when they have a safe? My passport is in my safe, and I'm a nobody.

My guess is that he liked to look at them and pretend he was still President. That's based on the presumption that the two expired passports were his Official and Diplomatic passports from his term in office (here's a link to the different types of US passports). As to what the third one is (because you're right, keeping your actual passport in a desk drawer is foolish)... no idea. Maybe he just likes having them together. Maybe he's secretly got dual citizenship with Saudi Arabia or North Korea or something and kept that passport is with his "awesome official documents" collection.

[Edge-]

Lindsey Graham?

Honestly, I'm not so comfortable with all the "lady G" and other shit with Lindsey Graham. There are far better, and less shitty ways, to insult him.

No, this was about Ben Shapipo obviously. You know, the guy who reacted to WAP (Wet-ass Pussy) with confusion as he's apparently never encountered a sexually aroused woman in his entire life.