Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

So, something big is going on in Washington DC with Trump today, he was pulled off his golf course in New Jersey, still in his golf shoes and shit that he wears while golfing, put on a plane, not his plane of course since it is still not repaired, met on the tarmac by a sheriff's car, and put into a government vehicle, not a secret service vehicle.

The problem is, he had NOTHING scheduled for DC today, especially something that would require him to be pulled off his golf course without changing.

Right now everything is hush hush, nothing reported on media, it was broken on Twitter, and there is video of him leaving the plane still in golf shoes and golf attire.

Do you have any source for this other than a Reddit thread I can't open?

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The headline on Raw Story is Speculation Swirls. We might hear more later, or, he could have actually been meeting the Party of Trump and/or people who want the Party of Trump voters. He has been attacking his own party right and alt-right lately.

[postman1782]

Sauce on any of this?

https://twitter.com/PenguinSix/statu...93793223262208

Best I'm finding is a blurry photo with people making up a story to go along with it. And theorizing he was handcuffed, but he actually wasn't.

Waiting on something more than Twitter rumors on this one.

I didn't say anything about cuffs, but they have video of him.

https://twitter.com/_MajorNews/statu...49426702090242

That is him landing at Dulles, still in golf attire.

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Do you have any source for this other than a Reddit thread I can't open?

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The headline on Raw Story is Speculation Swirls. We might hear more later, or, he could have actually been meeting the Party of Trump and/or people who want the Party of Trump voters. He has been attacking his own party right and alt-right lately.

Just Twitter so far. Left wingers that follow him to report on the bullshit he does, said he had nothing scheduled in DC today.

[Edge-]

I didn't say anything about cuffs, but they have video of him.

https://twitter.com/_MajorNews/statu...49426702090242

That is him landing at Dulles, still in golf attire.

Oh nice, video.

Cool, so now we wait to see if anything leaks, or until any announcements are made. But I see Twitter is doing their usual thing and just making up all kinds of stories, lol.

[Breccia]

he had nothing scheduled in DC today.

Fair enough, but I'll follow @Edge- 's lead on this one. If it turns out to be anything, I won't feel bad about waiting overnight. If it doesn't, I'll feel even less bad.

I will say, I did predict earlier that the most likely result was Biden dragging Trump into his office to say "you shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down, fatty, or I'll take the brake pads off the FBI Train and let NARA tie you to the tracks. Go ahead, Merrick My Day." Not a pardon, just a technically legal threat that Trump buys his freedom with his silence. I stand by that -- as much as I want to see the taxpayer bill for extra-small handcuffs, I don't have enough faith in the justice system to say that's the most likely outcome. But, I wouldn't expect something this blatant -- assuming the video/photos aren't faked of course -- to be that. The bargain for Trump's silence doesn't work if everyone knows Biden ordered it personally.

[postman1782]

Oh nice, video.

Cool, so now we wait to see if anything leaks, or until any announcements are made. But I see Twitter is doing their usual thing and just making up all kinds of stories, lol.

So far, speculation from Twitter, is that 3 indictments were unsealed, but I haven't found any actual info on it. But again, there is still no reason for him being in DC, as he had nothing on his schedule that wouldn't require him to change from golf shit.

[Kaleredar]

Fair enough, but I'll follow @Edge- 's lead on this one. If it turns out to be anything, I won't feel bad about waiting overnight. If it doesn't, I'll feel even less bad.

I will say, I did predict earlier that the most likely result was Biden dragging Trump into his office to say "you shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down, fatty, or I'll take the brake pads off the FBI Train and let NARA tie you to the tracks. Go ahead, Merrick My Day." Not a pardon, just a technically legal threat that Trump buys his freedom with his silence. I stand by that -- as much as I want to see the taxpayer bill for extra-small handcuffs, I don't have enough faith in the justice system to say that's the most likely outcome. But, I wouldn't expect something this blatant -- assuming the video/photos aren't faked of course -- to be that. The bargain for Trump's silence doesn't work if everyone knows Biden ordered it personally.

Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous if word leaked that it had happened. It would basically legitimize every conspiracy about the FBI raid by means of "Biden is trying to persecute trump, it's all an FBI partisan ruse, Biden is weaponizing the FBI" and would turn the whole situation right back on Biden. Suddenly every headline is no longer "trump coming under scrutiny for X" or "new details about what Trump was hiding and how," every news article is now "Biden tried to make deal over 2024 election to call off FBI inquiry."

Plus, Trump reneges on deals all the time. Who's to say that he "accepts" Biden's deal and then come 2024 just runs anyway?

[Breccia]

he had nothing on his schedule that wouldn't require him to change from golf shit.

To misquote Conway, it wasn't very good golf weather anyhow. It was arraigning all day. I'll see myself out.

[postman1782]

To misquote Conway, it wasn't very good golf weather anyhow. It was arraigning all day. I'll see myself out.

Here's to hoping.

[YUPPIE]

between just joe biden vs trump in 2024, trump is going to get re-elected without a doubt.

so the only hope people can cling to is trump gets prosecuted for some crime before those elections happen. But he always finds some way out of the worst atrocities. Contrary to Clinton's bullshit claim "no one is above the law" it's pretty obvious Trump is somehow above it. An insurrection and insider dealing on top secrets and he's still free! If that isn't being above everything in life, nothing is.

[Breccia]

Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous if word leaked that it had happened.

Maybe, but if it happened, it would take place in such a way Trump could never prove it happened. Dragging him to the WH in shackles 100% does not fit.

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trump is going to get re-elected without a doubt.

Link one poll from the last month that backs this up. Here's one that says Biden leads by six points. This one says he's lost the independant vote. Here's one that says almost half the US wants him arrested. The same poll says 65% of Republicans want him to run even if arrested, one might call "blind loyalty".

So put up a poll that backs your claim, or admit you're projecting.

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ho's to say that he "accepts" Biden's deal and then come 2024 just runs anyway?

Easy. He has to announce far enough out to actually run. That's plenty of time for him to be arrested. The deal I'm suggesting is one in which Biden holds every single card.

[swiftowner]

Biden saying anything resembling "look Trump, lemme make a deal with you, I call off the FBI and you don't run for president" would be monumentally disastrous

I agree with this sentiment except I’d phrase it as monumentally stupid, and without the extras of “if it got out”. Whether it got out or not, it would be exactly what Trump cultist are calling it. Biden should be hands-off of the DOJ/FBI on this, regardless of the outcome whether positive or negative, and certainly should avoid having any conversations with Trump.

[Breccia]

You know, he could be going to the hospital. Yeah I know, NJ and NY have those too, but Trump seems like the kind of guy who only goes to the hospital if he's basically at death's door because of his macho image he feels the need to cultivate from within 300 pounds of cheese grease. And, well, where was the last time that happened? They might have the last doctor he's seen and therefore the one he trusts/the one who's won't refuse to help him. Oh, and also, the FBI has his medical records, he says.

[postman1782]

between just joe biden vs trump in 2024, trump is going to get re-elected without a doubt.

so the only hope people can cling to is trump gets prosecuted for some crime before those elections happen. But he always finds some way out of the worst atrocities. Contrary to Clinton's bullshit claim "no one is above the law" it's pretty obvious Trump is somehow above it. An insurrection and insider dealing on top secrets and he's still free! If that isn't being above everything in life, nothing is.

I can guarantee that doesn't fucking happen. Trump has only lost support since January 6th.

[Breccia]

I can guarantee that doesn't fucking happen. Trump has only lost support since January 6th.

While Biden is currently on the rise. Anyone even pretending to follow these threads knows that.

Incidentally, Trump's arrest would further tank his ratings, because Garland would never allow it without public, airtight evidence even stronger than we've seen. Something along the lines of Melania ratting him out in public.

[postman1782]

While Biden is currently on the rise. Anyone even pretending to follow these threads knows that.

Incidentally, Trump's arrest would further tank his ratings, because Garland would never allow it without public, airtight evidence even stronger than we've seen. Something along the lines of Melania ratting him out in public.

Yep, Garland has a 100% conviction record.

[Breccia]

Trump backed failed campaign coup against Kushner, Navarro book says

In June 2020, less than five months before polling day, Donald Trump agreed to a “coup d’état” to remove his son-in-law Jared Kushner from control of his presidential re-election campaign and replace him with the far-right provocateur Steve Bannon.

The coup had support from Donald Trump Jr but according to a new book by the former Trump aide Peter Navarro it did not work, after Trump refused to give Kushner the bad news himself.

Fearing “family troubles if [he] himself had to deliver the bad news to … the father of his grandchildren”, Trump asked Bernie Marcus, the founder of Home Depot, a major Republican donor and a central player in the coup, “to be the messenger” to Kushner.

In Navarro’s telling, Kushner first insulted Marcus by skipping a call, then told Trump’s emissary “things were fine with the campaign, there was no way he was stepping down and, in effect, Bernie Marcus and his big moneybags could go pound sand”.

Navarro writes: “And that was that. And the rest is a catastrophic strategic failure history.”

Navarro isn't exactly a spotless source. Rumor has it he hated Kushner: if the chapter title "Both Nepotism and Excrement Roll Downhill" wasn't enough, Kushner publicly muscled Navarro out of several key decisions, including COVID response. Navarro has a PhD in Economics from Harvard, Kushner has a MBA from NYU. His entitled ass probably fumed at being upstaged by someone, to him, objectively worse in every way. Oh, and Navarro is facing a trial for refusing to comply with the Jan 6th panel, while Kushner is eating caviar off a dead baby seal.

That said, his story does ring true. It was written before Bannon got arrested, of course, and Navarro says Bannon would have led Trump to victory over Clinton. Of course, if he is right, we're lucky this coup failed.

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Newsweek has an explanation. Kishner is giving a speech today.

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Team Trump files counterargument to DOJ.

This just happened, and legal experts will surely weigh in, but this part stuck out:

Moreover, the ultimate disposition of all the “classified records,” and likely
most of the seized materials, is indisputably governed exclusively by the provisions
of the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). See 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201, et seq. The PRA
accords any President extraordinary discretion to categorize all his or her records as
either Presidential or personal records, and established case law provides for very
limited judicial oversight over such categorization. The PRA further contains no
provision authorizing or allowing for any criminal enforcement. Rather, disputes
regarding the disposition of any Presidential record are to be resolved between such
President and the National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”). Thus, at
best, the Government might ultimately be able to establish certain Presidential
records should be returned to NARA. What is clear regarding all of the seized
materials is that they belong with either Trump (as his personal property
to be returned pursuant to Rule 41(g)) or with NARA, but not with the Department
of Justice.

Besides the admission that NARA was supposed to get them back, the problem is, Trump is using a defense for a crime he's not accused of. The warrant didn't mention 2201 at all. Trump and the Trump defenders need to stop defending him for crimes he hasn't been accused of yet, and focus on the ones he has been.

[tehdang]

So you admit that everything you've said is useless, since the issue isn't Trump declaring privilege before leaving office.

Minor correction, but the issue is solely the process issue of not instructing the taint team to look for documents potentially protected by executive privilege.

And by "assertions of executive privilege survive leaving the office," I mean "it is wrong to say leaving the office takes away his ability to assert them under the law (because his leaving office removes them)." I linked the relevant case law in earlier posts.

His capacity to assert and potentially win in court ("survives the office") necessitates a court case to overrule it. Not the DoJ deciding, in its wisdom, that it'll disregard Supreme Court precedent.

Wrong, 100% wrong. Trump doesn't have executive privilege. Only the current president does.

Definitely enough repetition on this one. I only wonder if you think the Supreme Court didn't write the opinion, or Supreme Court opinions do not matter, or you don't think Nixon was president (in order to be an ex-president), or if you don't think Nixon ever left office (in which case, he can't have been party to a lawsuit as an ex-president, since he was current president until death).

...So when did Trump exert executive privilege on these documents when he was president such that it could then "extend" to him retaining said privilege after having left office?

His capacity to assert it over documents survives leaving the office. It is up to the courts to determine whether or not particular documents are subject to it, or higher concerns overrule actual executive privilege, not the DoJ.

Because only the president can exert executive privilege on anything, and Trump isn't the president.

The Supreme Court, in Nixon vs GSA, found that ex-presidents still retained executive privilege. They reasoned that it was for the same reasons executive privilege exists in the first place. They even wrote on intricacies surrounding retained executive privilege, after they stated it exists.

[Canpinter]

Again going to point out if something is executive privilege that makes it by definition government property and thus stolen.

[Muzjhath]

Minor correction, but the issue is solely the process issue of not instructing the taint team to look for documents potentially protected by executive privilege.

And by "assertions of executive privilege survive leaving the office," I mean "it is wrong to say leaving the office takes away his ability to assert them under the law (because his leaving office removes them)." I linked the relevant case law in earlier posts.

His capacity to assert and potentially win in court ("survives the office") necessitates a court case to overrule it. Not the DoJ deciding, in its wisdom, that it'll disregard Supreme Court precedent.

Definitely enough repetition on this one. I only wonder if you think the Supreme Court didn't write the opinion, or Supreme Court opinions do not matter, or you don't think Nixon was president (in order to be an ex-president), or if you don't think Nixon ever left office (in which case, he can't have been party to a lawsuit as an ex-president, since he was current president until death).

His capacity to assert it over documents survives leaving the office. It is up to the courts to determine whether or not particular documents are subject to it, or higher concerns overrule actual executive privilege, not the DoJ.

The Supreme Court, in Nixon vs GSA, found that ex-presidents still retained executive privilege. They reasoned that it was for the same reasons executive privilege exists in the first place. They even wrote on intricacies surrounding retained executive privilege, after they stated it exists.

Those documents might have privilege.

They should still be in the hands of NARA

What are your thoughts on them being in the wrong hands?

[Endus]

His capacity to assert it over documents survives leaving the office. It is up to the courts to determine whether or not particular documents are subject to it, or higher concerns overrule actual executive privilege, not the DoJ.

The most hilarious thing about this incredibly ridiculous argument is that if Trump had documents covered by executive privilege in his possession, he had classified material he'd stolen unlawfully and what you're describing is a confession to a crime, not a defense.