Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[cubby]

I find it interesting how much the news media doesn't just vilify Trump, but the entire Republican party.

It's one of the two major political entities in the US but the media will teach kids it's like some cabal of villains.

The last couple of decades has the GOP coming out of their shadow, showing us who they truly are - and that is a cabal of villians, with their centerpiece being a man who has a litany of ongoing criminal and civil complaints against him.

How else would you describe the GQP at this point?

[Drutt]

https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/st...30020680728576

WON TON KILLINGS! WHAT IS A WON TON KILLING!?

Lauren Boebert doesn't actually know. She has a GED, but maybe the English requirements were pretty low.

This woman is in Congress.

She doesn't know the meaning of the word "wanton", and she is in Congress.

Absolutely horrifying.

What's even worse about it is that little speech would have been rehearsed ahead of time, so having read it, she didn't look the word up before delivering her speech.

[SoulForge]

This woman is in Congress.

She doesn't know the meaning of the word "wanton", and she is in Congress.

Absolutely horrifying.

What's even worse about it is that little speech would have been rehearsed ahead of time, so having read it, she didn't look the word up before delivering her speech.

She's not the only one. MTG is also there. Gohmert. Is Gohmert the one with the family that hates him? I've lost track at this mess.

[Breccia]

Dumbass Trump's Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark is claiming he is immune to an ethics investigation, he is being investigated by the Bar Association for ethics violations, and he is under CRIMINAL AND CIVIL investigations for false statements, conspiracy and obstruction, post election for what he did trying to overturn the election.

Some of this is new information.

The D.C. Bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel filed a petition in June to launch disciplinary proceedings against Clark for engaging in dishonesty and interfering with the administration of justice.

Lawyers representing Clark wrote in the filing that on June 20, "approximately a dozen armed agents of the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General executed a criminal search warrant at [Mr. Clark’s] home at around 7 a.m. and seized his electronic devices."

Clark asked the bar to defer his disciplinary proceedings because of the ongoing Justice Department investigation, the House select committee's probe into the Jan. 6 Capitol attack and the Fulton County, Georgia, special grand jury investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

The D.C. Bar's Office of Disciplinary Counsel recommended the disciplinary proceedings deferral be denied.

So the question was raised, can you come up with a dumber defense than "You can't convict me because Trump wasn't successfully impeached"? The answer is yes, "You can't kick my ass yet, you'll have to wait in line with everyone else".

[Edge-]

What's even worse about it is that little speech would have been rehearsed ahead of time, so having read it, she didn't look the word up before delivering her speech.

It's especially fun given the source of the quote she's reading from.

[Drutt]

It's especially fun given the source of the quote she's reading from.

The Bible saw Chinese food coming. Prophetic.

[YUPPIE]

I think it's pretty understated (if it was ever mentioned), but Zelenksy seems pretty self-assured Trump isn't coming back to office. He's made a number of recent slandering statements shitting on him as a Putin croney and piece of shit, things that would make for terrible foreign relations if Trump is re-elected.

[Breccia]

The Bible saw Chinese food coming. Prophetic.

It's especially fun given the source of the quote she's reading from.

Rep. Lauren Boebert Mocked For Wanton Abuse Of The English Language

the thing about wonton killings is that you have to be careful where you dumpling the bodies

Pfft. Everyone knows the Wantans were killed by General Tso.

We all teach our kids, “When you don’t know a word - look it up or ask.”

Is this her first night with the Bible??

remember when Dan Quayle misspelled 'potato' and because the American people held politicians to such high standards his career never recovered?

And of course

The best wontons don't have MSG

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I think it's pretty understated--

Hey, have you noticed how you never respond to people when they call you out on questionable or even outright false statements?

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/health-ga...2ac3a7aeb50e55

Republicans, the party of "law and order" are choosing to ignore the ruling of the Minesotta court which rejected their attempt to prevent people from changing the gender on their birth certificate. Wherever you stand on this issue, I think we can agree that Republicans simply ignoring judicial rulings isn't a good thing.

[SoulForge]

https://apnews.com/article/health-ga...2ac3a7aeb50e55

Republicans, the party of "law and order" are choosing to ignore the ruling of the Minesotta court which rejected their attempt to prevent people from changing the gender on their birth certificate. Wherever you stand on this issue, I think we can agree that Republicans simply ignoring judicial rulings isn't a good thing.

And yet they would bitch and complain if a Democrat were to do that. Being the party of law and order after all.

[Draco-Onis]

And yet they would bitch and complain if a Democrat were to do that. Being the party of law and order after all.

Does anyone still buy that law and order line? After 1/6 they are now calling for killing and defunding the FBI for daring to search the property of the fuhrer.

[Edge-]

https://www.advocate.com/breaking-ne...ital-bomb-hoax

Good news! All the Q fucks in the Republican party harassing the Boston Childrens Hospital? Well, one has been arrested for making a bomb threat.

Rollins said that investigators obtained warrants and tracked the call to a T-Mobile phone owned by the suspect. Officials said her arrest was “without incident” at her Westfield home.

Protip: Don't make bomb threats from your personal phone.

I mean, don't make bomb threats at all. But if you do, please use your phone so it's easier for law enforcement to track you down and arrest you.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...icizing-trump/

House Minority Leader Andrew McCarthy believes he knows who the sneaky Republican who recorded him shit talking Trump behind Trump's back, and then gave the audio to the NYT, is.

Reminder: McCarthy denied the authenticity of the leaked audio at first. But this didn't permanently damage his relationship with Trump, who did end up endorsing his reelection bid this year. Apparently...Republicans actually like McCarthy? Weird, but alright I guess.

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/polit...ter/index.html

A Brooklyn-based federal judge was selected on Thursday to serve as an independent arbiter to review the materials seized in the FBI's search of former President Donald Trump's Florida home.

The special master will be Senior Judge Raymond Dearie, who was put forward as a possible candidate for the special master role by Trump, who had sued in court to obtain the review. The Justice Department also endorsed Dearie's appointment.

US District Judge Aileen Cannon also rejected the Justice Department's bid to revive its criminal investigation into classified documents seized at Mar-a-Lago last month. The denial sets the stage for the department's dispute with Trump over the search to move quickly to an appeals court and potentially the US Supreme Court.

Special master appointed, DoJ will likely be appealing to allow them to continue their investigation.

[postman1782]

I find it interesting how much the news media doesn't just vilify Trump, but the entire Republican party.

It's one of the two major political entities in the US but the media will teach kids it's like some cabal of villains.

If they are still supporting the fucking traitor, then they fucking deserve it.

[SoulForge]

Special master appointed, DoJ will likely be appealing to allow them to continue their investigation.

I'd love to hear that justification for that denial. Trump himself made mishandling classified documents a felony.

[Breccia]

Special master appointed, DoJ will likely be appealing to allow them to continue their investigation.

I do kinda get the judge's reasoning "If I were willing to take the FBI at their word about a partial redaction, I wouldn't have appointed a special master at all"

I've posted on Dearie before. I don't think he'll do Trump any favors, just for being Trump. And I don't think the FBI took Trump's personal documents and plans to keep them -- Trump's medical bills, credit card builds and black book of friends' wives he wants to bang aren't national security issues.

[postman1782]

What the fucking shit is this? Are they both fucking clinically stupid?

https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/st...00019222904832

[Breccia]

What the fucking shit is this? Are they both fucking clinically stupid?

No, it's a long-running joke often targeted at Bill Clinton. It's because he's arrested, so he must be black. Har har, America.

[tehdang]

@tehdang that even if he did declassify the documents it would still be illegal to remove them from secure federal locations/store them improperly for some if not all of them.

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Never made or commented on the claim that Trump could've declassified them
Never made or commented on claims that Trump properly stored them

Also important for people slow on the draw

Surely, you're proving I have company.

More on this incorrect claim - https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/polit...aim/index.html

We're making it a party here on taking up arguments nobody made in this thread.

Why? Because his lawyers, in their filings, to do not state that Trump has asserted privilege over these documents. Again because he doesn't have the authority to do so.

He can't assert privilege to prevent seizure. But the FBI can't ignore privilege when they hand them off to investigative teams. And a judge agreed and cited court precedent in the ruling.

Someone had to

I'm glad somebody found it helpful when he answered unasked questions. I'll wait around for him, since the poster referenced wanted to return with some of his own.

Reminder: Trump has not actually asserted anything. He's hinted at it, but not actually asserted executive privilege.

This is at the early stage of process, so we'll see if Trump is eventually indicted. The only harm the FBI could do in this case would be to ignore privilege claims during its criminal investigation. Trump's lawyer brought a successful lawsuit on that point and related ones.

We still talking about the judge whose ruling has been nearly universally panned by liberal, conservative, and non-partisan lawyers and legal scholars? Including Trump's former AG Bill Bar?

I'm well aware that lefties lash out at judges when they don't win rulings. It's very important to attack judges in order to help voters understand they're the party of preserving norms and defending Democracy. Especially when this is just a ruling about process, not something big like a criminal trial. Argumentum ad populum.

[Breccia]

We're making it--

Continued posting completely irrelevant information. Until Trump claims under oath he asserted privilege, your attempts to defend him are as useless as they are pointless. You might as well be asking how Trump likes his unicorn steaks cooked.

[Muzjhath]

You answered questions I never asked, and now you're moving on to the assumption and assertion phase of this thing. Reminder from last post:
You have the post before it.

I'm certainly not going to stop you from assuming whatever you like is true about me. That's about your volition and your character. If you want to hear it from my own words, well I'll definitely do my best to answer your questions if you answer mine. I'd stick to things that are likely to be publicly confirmed, not hypotheticals about the identity of classified documents that may never be actually confirmable. I've already answered others about what I think of speculation only on selective leaks by people at the DoJ and FBI to friendly media outlets.


You should admit that the FBI ought to screen for potentially executive privileged documents and potentially attorney-client privileged documents before investigating them as part of a criminal investigation. Maybe NARA ultimately has a right of possession, but the FBI doesn't have the power to ignore Trump's assertion of rights as it investigates a criminal case. The FBI and NARA are different. Before you want to say this is all trolling, a district judge just confirmed that, based on Supreme Court precedent, FBI errors, and public trust. You're essentially calling the FBI dummies for not telling the judge that some NARA procedure gives them the right to ignore possible assertion of executive privilege when they have investigative teams pore over the seized documents. They wouldn't be as unwise as you. They might have to win a case in court once abuse of process claims are over.

Only responding to the Bold bit. Because this is where you seem extremely confused.
Things that are covered by Executive Privilige and are documents?

Those aren't Trumps. They belong to the government. If they are documents and covered by executive privilige they should be in NARAs hands. Not Trumps. That's where the fucking issue starts.