Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

For her house position? She lost her primary, badly.

This would have to be 2024 since it's dependant on Trump running.

[Dontrike]

even if your only opinion on illegitimate elections was normalizing those comments by comparison to Trump. Take care.

It's shit like this that prove you not only don't have legitimate criticisms, but that you're basically just here to T. There was no illegitimate election, and you need to go read a book to help you understand why everything you say is a lie.

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We are still talking about Hillary? It's been years since she was relevant.

Like the Trumplodytes like to remind us; she lost, get over it. Leave the buttery males alone.

She's always relevant to the red hats.

[gondrin]

So, how many people do you think would show up at a Pro-Trump J6 "Truth Rally" in order to protest the jailing of insurrectionists in front of the Capitol? Thousands? Tens of thousands? How about more like a few dozen.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...c7f679781a9263

Pro-Trump Jan. 6 'Truth Rally' Sees Only Dozens Attend

Only small crowds gathered in front of the Capitol on Saturday for a pro-Trump Jan. 6 rally which the far-right blog The Gateway Pundit had said would be be "the biggest J6 to date."

According to reports, only a few dozen Trump supporters showed up for the "Truth Rally."

The rally, whose declared goal was "to stand united against the political persecution of the January 6th political prisoners" and against "conservative political persecution in the heart of the American Capital," was meant to attract the crowds with a series of far-right commentators, professors and conspiracy theorists.

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, founder of Cowboys for Trump Couy Griffin and two journalists at The Gateway Pundit were listed as speakers.

Lindell, who was scheduled to make his intervention via a Zoom call, is currently under federal investigation for an alleged breach of election equipment in Colorado.

With videos showing sparse crowds, reporters at the scene said there were nearly as many counter-protesters in attendance.

"Counterprotesters just arrived and there's probably half as many of them as there are 1/6 Truthers. Was supposed to start at 1 and nothing yet," wrote NBC News reporter Ben Collins on Twitter.

A video shared by the journalist shows how relatively empty the Capitol grounds were on Saturday, with two small groups of counter-protesters and rally-goers facing each other at opposite ends of a street. Counter-protesters were chanting and beating buckets as drums to cover the voice of speakers attending the rally.

The Daily Beast' Zachary Petrizzo, also at the scene, shared a picture of a rally speaker talking in front of an apparently broken electronic backdrop, commenting that the event was "off to a rough start." Petrizzo wrote about the rally as failing "spectacularly."

Most of the rally-goers were reportedly members of the 1776 Restoration Movement, who flew upside down American and "Let's Go Brandon" flags.

The rally was framed in support of those who have been arrested following the Capitol riots on Jan. 6, 2021, whom organizers referred to as "patriots" and "heroes." But Collins reported that the stance of the rally-goers and organizers regarding the Jan. 6 riots was overall confusing.

"Nobody at this January 6th Truth Rally has really settled on if the rioters are proud of it, if they didn't do it, or if they did it and it was a setup," Collins wrote on Twitter. "The theme is basically: There was no insurrection on January 6th, and we'd do it again."

Collins also reported that the "loudest applause line today at this 1/6 Truth Rally was for a woman giving the URL for a site where you can buy "Abolish the FBI" tee shirts."

The sparsely attended rally comes at the end of a difficult week for Trump, after New York attorney general Letitia James filed a lawsuit against the former president accusing him and his company to purposefully inflate the value of his properties, including his estates in Manhattan, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

The lawsuit could see Trump and his three eldest children barred from ever running a business in the state of New York again.

Trump has referred to the lawsuit as a "witch hunt."

[Ivanstone]

2000 when the SC ruled to stop counting votes in Florida and Gore lost.

Always worth remembering that a riot broke out over the recount.

[gondrin]

Always worth remembering that a riot broke out over the recount.

Guess who was at that riot? A one Mr. Roger Stone, The Penguin Cosplayer.

[Breccia]

Trump goes on Hannity, because of course he did, and explains the NYState lawsuit.

They’ve demeaned me for years with this stuff. And now they find out that I have very little debt — very, very little — a lot of cash. We have a great company, and we have among the best assets anywhere in the world. But I went through, they were demeaning me, you know, constantly these people. There’s something wrong with them. I really believe they hate our country.

"Isn't litereally every word of that false? I mean, we know how much he owes."

Speaking of things that are false, vapid whore Elise Stefanik said it wasn't Trump dividing the Republican Party, it was the media.

Yeah, the media continues to be the Party of Trump's punching bag, because as always it's not about all that deplorable stuff they did, it's about people finding out about the deplorable stuff they did.

[gondrin]

Trump goes on Hannity, because of course he did, and explains the NYState lawsuit.



"Isn't litereally every word of that false? I mean, we know how much he owes."

Speaking of things that are false, vapid whore Elise Stefanik said it wasn't Trump dividing the Republican Party, it was the media.

Yeah, the media continues to be the Party of Trump's punching bag, because as always it's not about all that deplorable stuff they did, it's about people finding out about the deplorable stuff they did.

Ok, if you flip the debt part with the cash part, I would believe it more. They all want to be the "Great Powerful Wizard of Oz.", not the man behind the curtain and get upset when they get found out to be one of the flying monkeys.

[Breccia]

He embellishes and overcompensates waaaay too much and it just always comes across as blatantly untruthful.

That, and he refuses to provide evidence to counter existing, public evidence.

"We have these reports that you owe billions, your buildings are overvalued, and you're not paying people."
"I owe nearly nothing and I have bigly cash!"
"Can we see your taxes?"
"No."
"We have a subpoena."
"Still no."

[Poopymonster]

That, and he refuses to provide evidence to counter existing, public evidence.

"We have these reports that you owe billions, your buildings are overvalued, and you're not paying people."
"I owe nearly nothing and I have bigly cash!"
"Can we see your taxes?"
"No."
"We have a subpoena."
"Still no."

It would cause irreparable to my client and his businesses/brand if we release his taxes.
In what way?
It'd prove he has no money and a shitload of debt. Very damaging to his businesses and brand.

[Breccia]

It would cause irreparable to my client and his businesses/brand if we release his taxes.
In what way?
It'd prove he has no money and a shitload of debt. Very damaging to his businesses and brand.

(sighs)

The thing is...normally, that might actually work. Lying on a business contract is fraud, but lying to people who might become investors later is not.

Fortunately, these are not normal circumstances.

[Dontrike]

It would cause irreparable to my client and his businesses/brand if we release his taxes.
In what way?
It'd prove he has no money and a shitload of debt. Very damaging to his businesses and brand.

In the words of Jim Carrey from Liar Liar "Because it's damaging to my case!"

[gondrin]

So, anyone who has ever read any news articles about Trump in the past knows he is addicted to debt. He is the self-proclaimed "King of Debt". Well, what happens when the "King of Debt" meets someone who requires cash? We are about to find out in NY.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...78027148540677

Cash-poor Trump may have to dump his skyscrapers at 'fire sale' prices if he loses NY fraud lawsuit: biographer

Appearing on MSNBC on Sunday afternoon, Donald Trump biographer and senior executive editor of Bloomberg Opinion, Tim O'Brien, claimed that, should the former president go head-to-head with New York Attorney General Letitia O'Brien and lose the $250 million lawsuit she has filed against him, he will likely have to liquidate his properties --and at fire sale prices.

Speaking with MSNBC host Alex Witt, O'Brien suggested that Trump's worth is wrapped up in his real estate portfolio and he doesn't have access to enough cash to pay penalties and fines if he loses his court battle.

"You say that James' suit won't land the Trumps in prison, only criminal convictions could do that," host Witt prompted. "It seeks to bar the Trumps from running a business in New York state and might unravel the Trump organization. You just heard [former Trump lawyer] Michael Cohen say it could actually wipe Trump out. Is that the way you see it?"

"Well, I think it depends on the extent of damage that the case inflicts and her prosecution inflicts on the Trump family and their businesses," he replied. "Michael is completely right that he has never had a lot of cash on hand, he's almost a debt addict, he has always heavily mortgaged the properties he owns."

"Most of his wealth is tied up in a handful of skyscrapers in New York City," he continued. "Tish James is seeking to bar him from doing business in the state of New York, so he'll have to unload those if he gets convicted. And that is a fire sale, which means everyone who's a buyer will know they won't have to pay top dollar because he needs to get out of the property."

"She has made to two criminal referrals out of this case, one to the IRS and one to the US Attorneys' office in the Southern District [of New York]," he elaborated. "So that is now hanging over his head. I think the family's legacy is in New York, everything that Donald Trump stands on was built by Trump in New York. Trump has put those holdings in peril twice, the first time in the early 90's when he gorged on debt and couldn't repay the banks and again now when he has gotten on the wrong side of the law."

"I think this is an existential threat to his business and his financial well-being," he added.

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What happens when you have a man who has to pay people to be his friend and said person becomes the presidency? You have a person who thinks they made a bunch of rich friends when in fact, they just used said person to get what they wanted. Much like how Trump likes to do. BTW, these are secret friends.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...78027148540677

Trump Said Gaining Secret 'Rich Friends' Made Presidency Worth It: Book

Former President Donald Trump said the “rich friends” he acquired from his presidency made it all worth it to him, according to an excerpt from reporter Maggie Haberman’s upcoming book published in The Atlantic on Sunday.

“The question I get asked more than any other question: ‘If you had to do it again, would you have done it?’” Trump was quoted as telling Haberman during one of three post-presidency interviews.

“The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are,” he said according to the excerpt of her book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America.”

Haberman, who has spent years covering Trump for The New York Times, called his admission “as jarring as it was ultimately surprising,” considering his first impulses weren’t to mention public service or his believed accomplishments.

Trump did, in a later interview, say that “getting things done” was what he liked about the job and he listed a few accomplishments, Haberman noted.

Though he apparently didn’t share more about his secret friends, he did say that he doesn’t stay in touch with Russian President Vladimir Putin or Chinese President Xi Jinping. He wavered when asked about North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, however.

“Well, I don’t want to say exactly, but …” he was quoted as saying while trailing off.

Haberman said she later learned after her interview that Trump had been telling guests at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida that he has continued to stay in contact with Kim, who she noted is featured in a photo on his office wall.

She said Trump told her that he had “incredible things” in his possession from his White House days, but said that letters he received from the dictator and “most” other White House documents were in the National Archives.

As it later turned out, letters from Kim were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago, along with other classified material, The Washington Post reported back in February.

The Justice Department has launched a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of federal records.

[Breccia]

"Michael is completely right that he has never had a lot of cash on hand, he's almost a debt addict, he has always heavily mortgaged the properties he owns."

Huh. Trump said almost exactly the opposite, recently. That's pretty much everyone in agreement, then.

[gondrin]

Huh. Trump said almost exactly the opposite, recently. That's pretty much everyone in agreement, then.

There was an interview with Ivanka where she talked about Donald's debt problem.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/424...l%20situation.

“I remember once my father and I were walking down Fifth Avenue and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower and I remember my father pointing to him and saying, ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point, you know?” Trump said on camera, seen at 4:15 below.

Video clip embedded in article.

[Kaleredar]

There was an interview with Ivanka where she talked about Donald's debt problem.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/424...l%20situation.



Video clip embedded in article.

That's a... weirdly adroit quip coming from a guy that says "bigly huge"

[tehdang]

It's shit like this that prove you not only don't have legitimate criticisms, but that you're basically just here to T. There was no illegitimate election, and you need to go read a book to help you understand why everything you say is a lie.

The opponent of this thread's namesake has repeated the claim that it was an illegitimate election after, and even during Biden's run. You don't have to agree with her assertion, but it's no lie to quote Trump's unlucky rival.

Conservatives especially those like @tehdang seem to think the President's power is absolute, when there's numerous checks and balances against unilateral presidential action.

The most recent case had people arguing that Biden's power was absolute, as concerns assertions of executive privilege. Maybe update your rhetoric in light of the behavior of most progs in these parts.

[Breccia]

The opponent of--

More off-topic deflection handwaved. Trump still hasn't gone under oath yet, therefore, what you've been arguing for 16 days and counting is still irrelevant, and as the 11th ruled, you're still wrong even hypothetically.

You have nothing, that's why you keep bringing up Clinton. Please post constructively.

[Grinning Serpent]

That's a... weirdly adroit quip coming from a guy that says "bigly huge"

How long ago was the incident? Maybe the dementia hadn't taken hold yet.

[Kaleredar]

The opponent of this thread's namesake has repeated the claim that it was an illegitimate election after, and even during Biden's run. You don't have to agree with her assertion, but it's no lie to quote Trump's unlucky rival.

The most recent case had people arguing that Biden's power was absolute, as concerns assertions of executive privilege. Maybe update your rhetoric in light of the behavior of most progs in these parts.

Biden's level of control of executive documents while he is in the executive office does not bother anyone. Trump is no longer president; he has no reason to retain any of those documents. Stop being willingly dense; it isn't clever.

[postman1782]

Well, now we need to know why EVERYONE on this list hasn't been arrested and we definitely need to know who fucking called that insurrectionist.

They were talking about alternate electors before the election was even called for Biden. They knew they were going to lose, and they knew that J6 was their last chance to rig the election for Trump.