Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

were Trump to actually be running for something I'm sure his supporters would worm their way out of the woodwork

Only if they were allowed to post bail.

In all seriousness...would they? Even before 2020, Trump's ability to fill a large venue was suspect. I found a couple of recent appearances, this one and this one, and while one says it was sold out, both were in the single-digit thousands. Senator Biden would shake more hands than that every day on the train on the way to work.

[Draco-Onis]

Only if they were allowed to post bail.

In all seriousness...would they? Even before 2020, Trump's ability to fill a large venue was suspect. I found a couple of recent appearances, this one and this one, and while one says it was sold out, both were in the single-digit thousands. Senator Biden would shake more hands than that every day on the train on the way to work.

I think Trump is more like a mistress when it comes to politics, no one wants to be caught publicly at his rallies but they will vote for him as evidenced by the fact that he got more votes than he did the first time. The rallies are never going to be what they were probably even worse after 1/6 but people will stay in the shadows and cheer on.

[Paranoid Android]

Marchant: If get all our Secretaries of State elected around the country like this, we take our country back


Jim Marchant, the Republican candidate for Nevada Secretary of State. A 2020 election denier, Q Anon nut I believe and oh btw, is leading in Nevada for Sec. of State.

Marchant is telling everyone what he and Trump wants. Never to certify a legitimate election if a Democrat wins. To kill our Democratic, Republic and install their leader and party members. The take back our county is just a nice emphasis on the fascist, white nationalist theme. Last time, this guy is an election denier. This is not political rhetoric, rah, rah, here.

Fascism is here people. It is/was the Republican Party. They are the fascists.

[Breccia]

Never to certify a legitimate election if a Democrat wins.

What else would someone expect from the man who lost the popular vote, twice, refuses to this day to admit he lost the second time, started a murderous insurrection that chanted for the death of his own Vice President, and of course, openly supported Nazis?

"They weren't lit--"

If they fly the flag and follow the credo, they count. Anyone trying to split hairs to defend Trump can to fuchs themselves.

The Republican Party had the chance to save itself. Who knows, they still might. But the Party of Trump is asking for a dictatorship.

[RampageBW1]

Marchant is telling everyone what he and Trump wants. Never to certify a legitimate election if a Democrat wins.

The fact that this twerp is leading in his state speaks volumes of the people living there.

[Breccia]

So Pompeo went on FOX News and said

When you hear a president talking about Armageddon as a random thought just musing at a fundraiser, that is a terrible risk to the American people. If he truly believes that, he ought to be talking to us in a serious way. More importantly, he should be doing all the things that are necessary to deter Vladimir Putin.

We’ve been here before, not only in October of ’62. We’ve been here other times, as well.

And America has always pushed back against our adversaries by showing enormous resolve, executing quiet diplomacy in the same way that we did during our time in office, making very clear to Vladimir Putin that the cost of him using nuclear weapon would bring the force of not only United States and Europe but of all the whole world against Vladimir Putin. We ought to be doing that. I hope that they’re doing this quietly.

Ah, yes, shouldn't be making such threats. Hey remember when

Trump responded to reports of North Korea's nuclear threats on Tuesday, saying the regime "will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which the world has never seen before."

FOX News point, +1 for Pompeo and +1 from the 2017 post. Yep, I get to double-dip when they go full hypocrite.

To be fair, Trump wasn't "talking about Armageddon as a random thought just musing at a fundraiser". He was on the golf course.

"Yes but Trump was surely working with his aides in a carefully-crafted speech."

His aides begged him not to say that. He did it anyway.

"Didn't Pompeo go on to say that Trump kept Russia out of Ukraine?"

Well, he forgot Russia was in Crimea literally every single day of Trump's tenure, an act for which Trump did...I want to say "literally nothing at all" but then I remembered he tried to blackmail Ukraine, holding their military aid hostage. So he did less than nothing.

"Then why did Putin wait this long?"

Well, he could be dying. But you saw that earlier FOX News post? That was from Sept 26, 2017. Funny story: I found this from Sept 27, 2017.

Russian-generated Facebook posts pushed Trump as 'only viable option'

So why didn't they mess with Trump? Because he was expensive. If Putin had attacked, Congress would have sent him a bill for military aid to Ukraine, and he would have had to sign it. Putin was waiting for Trump to bring the USA into complete disorder and chaos. Trump almost succeeded...but the attempt to incite a civil war was muted by how much of a fat orange failure he was, and also, COVID. (Putin would not have started a war during COVID)

So there we go, Pompeo is attacking Biden while hoping people forget he worked for someone worse.

[Edge-]

So Pompeo went on FOX News and said



Ah, yes, shouldn't be making such threats. Hey remember when

Trump responded to reports of North Korea's nuclear threats on Tuesday, saying the regime "will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which the world has never seen before."

FOX News point, +1 for Pompeo and +1 from the 2017 post. Yep, I get to double-dip when they go full hypocrite.

To be fair, Trump wasn't "talking about Armageddon as a random thought just musing at a fundraiser". He was on the golf course.

"Yes but Trump was surely working with his aides in a carefully-crafted speech."

His aides begged him not to say that. He did it anyway.

"Didn't Pompeo go on to say that Trump kept Russia out of Ukraine?"

Well, he forgot Russia was in Crimea literally every single day of Trump's tenure, an act for which Trump did...I want to say "literally nothing at all" but then I remembered he tried to blackmail Ukraine, holding their military aid hostage. So he did less than nothing.

"Then why did Putin wait this long?"

Well, he could be dying. But you saw that earlier FOX News post? That was from Sept 26, 2017. Funny story: I found this from Sept 27, 2017.

Russian-generated Facebook posts pushed Trump as 'only viable option'

So why didn't they mess with Trump? Because he was expensive. If Putin had attacked, Congress would have sent him a bill for military aid to Ukraine, and he would have had to sign it. Putin was waiting for Trump to bring the USA into complete disorder and chaos. Trump almost succeeded...but the attempt to incite a civil war was muted by how much of a fat orange failure he was, and also, COVID. (Putin would not have started a war during COVID)

So there we go, Pompeo is attacking Biden while hoping people forget he worked for someone worse.

Aren't these supposed to be the "though guys" who don't need their feelings catered to and who like a guy that "tells it like it is"?

Because it sounds like they're pretty triggered by a guy that tells it like it is.

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/polit...gsa/index.html

When the General Services Administration prepared to ship pallets of material to Florida for former President Donald Trump in July 2021, the federal agency asked Trump aide Beau Harrison to affirm what was in the boxes being shipped.

Harrison, Trump’s former assistant for operations, was asked to affirm that everything packed and shipped to Florida was either “required to wind down the office of the Former President or are items that are property of the Federal Government,” so it could be covered by transition funding.

Former presidents are allowed to take certain government materials and office equipment required to set up a permanent office away from the White House. But that does not include the sort of classified documents Trump took to Mar-a-Lago – which are at the center of an ongoing Justice Department criminal probe.

Harrison, one of the handful of aides interviewed by federal investigators in the spring as they sought information on presidential records, returned a letter on “The Office of Donald J. Trump” letterhead stating what was in the boxes.

The email exchange between GSA officials and Harrison is one of more than 100 pages of emails and documents newly released by the GSA that debunk claims from Trump and his allies that the government agency is to blame for packing the boxes containing classified documents that were later recovered by the FBI during the search of his Mar-a-Lago resort in August.

The newly released emails also provide new details underscoring the rushed, chaotic nature of Trump’s transition after he spent two months exhausting numerous avenues trying to overturn the 2020 election.

The emails make clear that the boxes had already been packed and sat shrink-wrapped in an empty office space in Arlington, Virginia, as GSA officials planned logistics to ship the five pallets of boxes – including 30 banker boxes similar to those recovered by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago – to Florida.

And, as always, we have receipts for Trumps lies.

Blaming the GSA for packing the boxes? Nope, we have emails.

Team Trump packed the boxes. Team Trump then affirmed to the GSA that the boxes were purely the property of Donald Trump and that no items belonging to the Federal Government were inside.

Which the GSA did not check since the GSA isn't used to working with liars. They're used to working with professionals who respect the office. So it's not their fault, they did everything properly short of rummaging through already-packed boxes and potentially violating privilege as a result.

“They [the GSA] packed them,” Trump said in an interview with Sean Hannity on September 23.

Survey says: This was a lie.

Also, the emails shed light on how the transition was an absolutely chaotic clusterfuck because Trump had no interest in getting out or setting the incoming administration up for success as the Obama administration had done for him, and the Bush Jr. administration had done for Obama etc.

[Breccia]

Blaming the GSA for packing the boxes? Nope, we have emails.

Edge- please, stopy lying!

...because we also have pictures.



Yep, the movers showed up and found boxes, wrapped and labeled.

[Edge-]

Yep, the movers showed up and found boxes, wrapped and labeled.

It's almost like an immaculate conception. Nobody saw the boxes being packed and shrink-wrapped, it the boxes packed and wrapped themselves.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e_iOSApp_Other

Donald Trump’s lawyer Christina Bobb was instructed to certify to the justice department that all sensitive government documents stored at his Mar-a-Lago resort subpoenaed by a grand jury had been returned, though she had not herself conducted the search for the records.

Y'all, would you sign your name on a legal document testifying to something you haven't personally verified? I wouldn't, but I guess Trump lawyers will.

[solinari6]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e_iOSApp_Other

Y'all, would you sign your name on a legal document testifying to something you haven't personally verified? I wouldn't, but I guess Trump lawyers will.

Actually, she did sneak some weasel words in there before she signed it, probably because she knew it was false:

Before Bobb signed the document, she insisted it be rewritten with a disclaimer that said she was certifying Trump had no more records “based upon the information that has been provided to me,” the sources said of what she told investigators. Bobb identified the person who gave her that “information” as Corcoran, the sources said.

“She had to insist on that disclaimer twice before she signed it,” said one source who spoke with Bobb about what she told investigators.

Also passes the blame on to Corcoran ... sucks to be him! lol

[Edge-]

Actually, she did sneak some weasel words in there before she signed it, probably because she knew it was false:

Also passes the blame on to Corcoran ... sucks to be him! lol

Man, everyone just looking out for at least one person to throw under the bus when it's their time in the spotlight.

[Breccia]

it the boxes packed and wrapped themselves.

<s>The FBI planned 18 months in advance and slipped the planted evidence into the shrink-wrapped boxes for them to deep state fake news hoax later</s>

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/sta...74670854975491

Kanye. Elon. Trump.

This was just tweeted out by the GOP House Judiciary Twitter account.

Can anyone translate this? What does this mean? What kind of virtue signaling is this, especially as Kanye continues to lose his god-damned mind in the weirdest amalgamation of Q-conspiracy theories, white supremacy, christian nationalism, first israelite militancy, and general absolute mental breakdowns as he releases a documentary where he showed porn to Adida's execs to try to prove some kinda point.

I mean...I'm genuinely confused as fuck. Is it really as simple as it seems? Drop a few names to virtue signal and poke the hornet's nest knowingly? What does this have to do with House Judiciary Committee business?

[Breccia]

Kanye. Elon. Trump.

That cannot possibly be--
(clicks link)
That is literally the entire post, holy shit, that's just stupid.

But the comments are entertaining! Of note:

Worst FMK game ever.

I mean, I would call it a KKK game because GOP...but...Kanye.

There was a good alternative game suggested, "Prison, Sanitarium, Mars".

[Edge-]

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...george-hw-bus/

So I guess Trump's lies continue and he was complaining about George H.W. Bush working in full cooperation with the National Archives to process all his records while his library was being built to store them, and that a building that used to be a bowling alley and a chinese restaurant.

Which it should be noted: Is absolutely common practice. Administrations have a LOT of documents, records, gifts, and other objects that need to be stored somewhere large, and unused commercial space isn't a bad place for the non-classified/privileged materials to reside.

Why is it different than what Trump did?

While the converted space in College Station may sound silly on first hearing, it was not some shoddy facility with broken doors and windows.

"Uniformed guards patrol the premises," the AP article noted. "There are closed-circuit television monitors and sophisticated electronic detectors along walls and doors. Some printed material is classified and will remain so for years; it is open only to those with top-secret clearances."

By comparison, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, had a steady stream of club members, guests and wait staff streaming through.

More important, experts say, is the context in which the documents were brought to the two locations. Put simply, the operation for the Bush papers was conducted according to standard procedures, with the full involvement of the National Archives. Trump’s was not.

"There's a big difference between having records in a facility managed by the National Archives, even if it is a rented facility, and having records in a private residence," said Benjamin Hufbauer, an associate professor of art history at the University of Louisville and an expert in presidential libraries.

Bradley Moss, a Washington, D.C.-based lawyer who works on national security cases, agreed that the Bush process was far different, and more proper, than what happened at Mar-a-Lago.

"The two situations are completely distinct," he said. "Bush’s setup was run by the National Archives and had security procedures set in place by the government, not by Bush. Trump hid hundreds of thousands of pages from NARA, and the Secret Service had no insight into the fact the documents were even on location."

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https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/re...m_npd_ms_tw_ma

Mark Finchem is a craven liar.

Finchem is the Donald Trump-endorsed extremist and Colonel Sanders look-alike vying to become Arizona’s secretary of state and take control of the state’s elections.

And he’s an enemy of democracy. He’s a member of the Oath Keepers extremist militia; he appeared outside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6; he has parroted Trump’s lies about fraud costing him the 2020 presidential election; and he unsuccessfully tried to ban voting machines in Arizona.

Finchem’s campaign emerged from a muck of Republican lies, and weeks out from Election Day, those lies — along with his hopes of running Arizona’s elections — seem like they’re crumbling in humiliating fashion.

Remember a couple of weeks back, when Finchem effectively admitted that Trump’s lies about election fraud were baseless?

Now, Finchem has been caught in a lie from that same debate, where he said: “I don’t care for mail-in voting — that’s why I go to the polls.”

Arizona-based journalist Dillon Rosenblatt reported Wednesday that public records show that Finchem has voted by mail in 28 of Arizona’s previous 30 elections. In other words, as Rosenblatt wrote, “Finchem votes by mail almost 100% of the time.”

Just a reminder: Republicans are hypocritical liars.

And the video referenced in the article is this - https://twitter.com/az_rww/status/1573117438224392192

This is him saying the only change between the 2020 election, which he claims had widespread fraud, and the 2022 primary elections, which he accepts, is "the candidates". Because the voting process itself did not change between these two elections.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/sta...74670854975491



This was just tweeted out by the GOP House Judiciary Twitter account.

Can anyone translate this? What does this mean? What kind of virtue signaling is this, especially as Kanye continues to lose his god-damned mind in the weirdest amalgamation of Q-conspiracy theories, white supremacy, christian nationalism, first israelite militancy, and general absolute mental breakdowns as he releases a documentary where he showed porn to Adida's execs to try to prove some kinda point.

I mean...I'm genuinely confused as fuck. Is it really as simple as it seems? Drop a few names to virtue signal and poke the hornet's nest knowingly? What does this have to do with House Judiciary Committee business?

What's really funny was, that Fox News was defending Kanye yesterday morning, the tweet was up for over 24 hours. The problem is, they didn't read it before they defended him as to why he got banned from Twitter. Someone printed it out, during a commercial break, handed it to them, they read it, then they couldn't defend it anymore.

Problem is, Kanye is STILL pushing antisemitic bullshit on his Twitter.

You got this: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status...64763220271105
And this: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status...20714000605184 For Zuckerberg kicking him off Instagram.

Then of course you got him and Candace Owens wearing the white lives matter shirts.

[DarkTZeratul]

What's really funny was, that Fox News was defending Kanye yesterday morning, the tweet was up for over 24 hours. The problem is, they didn't read it before they defended him as to why he got banned from Twitter. Someone printed it out, during a commercial break, handed it to them, they read it, then they couldn't defend it anymore.

Wait, is this literally true? Do you have a source?

[Breccia]

Wait, is this literally true? Do you have a source?

This story sounds about right.

[postman1782]

Wait, is this literally true? Do you have a source?

100% true. As @Breccia sourced.

[Breccia]

why he got banned from Twitter.

So...the GOP was just calling out people who were banned from Twitter? The guy who incited a violent insurrection, an anti-semite, and Elon Musk?

That's who they're backing? Kind of an odd hill to die on.